Newbie 2072: All Guns Blazing!! - Ended

[Shrek]

no because his game plan is just to not talk about the game at all

[Shrek]

like idk what you'd want me to go off of with my reads on nm to begin with

[Not_Mafia]

Shrek got something out of NM so he's got that going for him

This could be scum

[ArcAngel9]

Vote Count 1-12

Shrek:

alstroemerial, Umlaut

Pavowski :

alstroemerial :

Zyla :

Lukewarm :

Val89,

Val89 :

,

Not_Mafia :

Lukewarm, Shrek

Umlaut :

Not_Mafia, Zyla

marcistar :

Not Voting

: marcistar, Pavowski

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline: July 16, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-07-18 12:50:00)

Mod Notes:

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Hey @Mod, just to confirm the deadline, is it the end of the 17th now with the extension?

It will be 18th second half as we had the timeline paused for a day

[ArcAngel9]

Vote Count 1-13

Shrek:

alstroemerial, Lukewarm, Not_Mafia (E-2)

Pavowski :

alstroemerial :

Zyla :

Lukewarm :

Val89, Pavowski

Val89 :

,

Not_Mafia :

, Shrek, Zyla

Umlaut :

,

marcistar :

Not Voting

: marcistar, Umlaut

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Deadline: July 18, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-07-18 12:50:00)

Mod Notes:

Val89 V/LA until Sunday EOD.
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[alstroemerial]

anyways my remaining reads are as follows:

alstro and pavowski: i think alstro actually has high teammate equity with pavowski. i feel like alstro is trying to go for the easy miselim by not involving himself too too much in any ongoing discussion beyond a push on a slot that was already being sussed, while pavowski has been taking the whole laid-back route which i find to be a common mafia strategy. him voting not_mafia seems like he's angling for another miselim and easy vote early on that looks kind of sus to me

I'm pushing a slot that was already being sussed because . . . . I was the first vote who actually got it started :/

right now i dont want a n_m elim because i entirely think he's scum, i just feel like it will shed a lot of light on how people have been acting around him. ex: those who have been pushing him might look a lot more suspicious in hindsight if he does flip town whereas those sticking their neck out for him will look weird if he's town. it's still best to get a controversial person out first whether that's me or n_m to begin with since anti-town people only make it more difficult for the town to vote correctly down the line.

snip other reads

scum:
alstro
n_m

Why am I above NM here when you have more of an argument on why you sus me?

@Umlaut

, why unvote and not put your vote somewhere else when we are less than 48 hours away from the deadline? Their reads post is fine I guess except for hmm it puts the safest people in null town, the leading wagons in null scum and scum, and the person at the front of their wagon in scum? Hmmmm thank you Luke for 637.

Like y'all we have 24 hours and I'm not going to be online for long enough times to really Discourse but we have to do something. Can Marci and Umlaut at least put a vote

somewhere

? With the current wagons as Shrek, Luke, and N_M, I'd really rather it not be Luke but I'll do what has to be done to prevent a no elim.

[marcistar]

Shrek's iso feels like someone trying to stay alive,

i agree with this, 580 i think they only made because of the backlash, they were trying to please people with that post, so that they wouldn't be pressed much from it.

i think alstro actually has high teammate equity with pavowski.

can u explain on this..? im not sure where u see this, is it just because theyre both laying back or is there an interaction of them..?

to clarify on the pavowski end i feel like in our last game together even if he got elimmed on d1, he was a lot more proactive and forward than this which is weird for a change in playstyle so suddenly.

why did you choose to stick to your vote, instead of switching to pavowski if theres such a noticeable change..?

it's still best to get a controversial person out first whether that's me or n_m to begin with since anti-town people only make it more difficult for the town to vote correctly down the line.

this line from that phat chunk seems like a town thought process.

Next was her read list full of quotes and questions that I particularly liked (starts at 255 in her iso)

i remember i didnt really like those reads from her originally, and didnt see how u thought it could be so townie.
im hoping for an update from her soon tho

also to everyone on the fence right now i would at least encourage you to go through not_mafia's iso and check that first

Can Marci and Umlaut at least put a vote

somewhere

? With the current wagons as Shrek, Luke, and N_M, I'd really rather it not be Luke but I'll do what has to be done to prevent a no elim.

i was just reading to decide this since deadline is so close
i don't want a luke elim either,
i also dont want a shrek elim > hes been contributing, which I think will be helpful to decide things later down the line as opposed to someone who isn't really contributing.
i don't have a read on not_mafia, so I wouldn't mind this
VOTE: not_mafia

[Lukewarm]

i also dont want a shrek elim > hes been contributing, which I think will be helpful to decide things later down the line as opposed to someone who isn't really contributing.
i don't have a read on not_mafia, so I wouldn't mind this
VOTE: not_mafia

I am not quite sure I am following this.

Does "hes been contributing" = he has been townie?

You say that you don't have a read on Not_Mafia, but that would put him in null, right?

Shouldn't you vote for your biggest scum read? Or is null the worst you got right now?

[marcistar]

doesnt = townie, just means that itll be easier to read him in future phases than it would be to read not_mafia.

yeah hes null, nulls the most i can do right now

[Lukewarm]

doesnt = townie, just means that itll be easier to read him in future phases than it would be to read not_mafia.

yeah hes null, nulls the most i can do right now

So Shrek is also null atm?

[Pavowski]

One more food for thought to encourage people to vote for the Shrek/Portia slot: I know it sucks to replace in and get eliminated quickly, but that shouldn't be a reason to deter town from voting if they think they've found scum. We have to play to win. Portia was prickly at suspicion, avoidant of actual questions, and flying under the radar until eventually disappearing altogether. Shrek has been a little better but I'm not satisfied with the explanation given in 603 -- this conversation seems so full of hedging without putting a solid stance down, in order to avoid getting held accountable for something later. If it's Not_Mafia or a no elim, I'll help make an elim happen, but if we have some time left I would really ask people to consider this.

These are fair points and I'm finding it hard to disagree

im fine with being miselimmed if it means that itll help people narrow their poe down when it comes to a more pressing situation where they need to focus specifically on the alignments.

I can't decide if this is super-towny or scum trying to appear super-towny, between stuff like this and the claim Shrek is pinging me in both directions at this point and I don't like it

Trying to catch up on the rest of the thread, I should have a bit more tonight.

[marcistar]

doesnt = townie, just means that itll be easier to read him in future phases than it would be to read not_mafia.

yeah hes null, nulls the most i can do right now

So Shrek is also null atm?

yea kinda
its too hard to decide about them today, but it looks like they'll be willing to contribute more next phase

[Pavowski]

That was E-1, right? ...right?

UNVOTE: Shrek

I actually like their reads post, not just because they call me hard-town (though that's probably part of it just because it surprised me a lot)

Wait, did you unvote because you like their reads post or because Shrek was suddenly at e-1 and you didn't like it?

[Umlaut]

A but of both, I didn't like N_M's vote onto it and it made me want to rethink. But on balance I like the makeup of the Shrek wagon more than N_M and there's not much time left so

VOTE: Shrek

[Zyla]

Intent to hammer, then

Shrek, any final reads or statements?

[Lukewarm]

Countdown: (expired on 2021-07-18 12:50:00)

[Pavowski]

I was just noticing that, too. I had been under the impression we had until midnight EST in this day.

Shrek's had plenty of time to check in and speak today; If it's not hammered by t-minus 45, I will do it.

[Not_Mafia]

Shrek? More like Shkrum

[Shrek]

i got nothin. hammer at will boyos

[Not_Mafia]

Hammer yourself

[Shrek]

https://youtu.be/ApxzfoguTew

[alstroemerial]

Someone please
Pavowski we’re past the 45 min mark

[Pavowski]

I wanted to give Zyla the chance to follow through, but I agree, we're too close for comfort.

VOTE: Shrek

[Shrek]

[Lukewarm]

Just hanging out, waiting for the flip like