MT 2219: The Battle of Calculasia - Endgame

[MathBlade]

For example on this page alone Titus+Wheme becomes very probable.

Titus has a theory of Wheme + Galron she is pursuing and says everyone should mass claim yet doesn’t push Wheme for a PR/VT claim.

So this tells me that she’s not hunting Wheme to see if informed neighbor is the only thing he has which is sus
And if Titus+Wheme then Titus has been doing all the kills

Because I already full claimed?

You did A claim. That’s all it is.

In a Titus town world I don’t expect her to take anything claimed for granted.

[WhemeStar]

No it’s pretty obvious A50 and my roles are the same

[DrippingGoofball]

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

No. No. Fuck that. I'm not taking your shit right now. You don't get to decide ifbother people are being genuine or not.

If you assume scum were always killing because of suspicion then DGB is scum here.
Then you get DGB with me(incorrectly) or Galron

Which would make Murdercat’s reads mostly wrong which defeats the Murdercat was killed for reads argument unless frame job.

So like some players have to be killed for not reads reasons

FINALLY

I was waiting for the scum to out themselves as to why Jake was killed.

I didn't say a thing the morning of, because I felt I was being FRAMED, and that the NK was the sign of a

social

gamestate manipulative scum team more than a

mech

manipulative scum team.

Over and over MathBlade has been throwing little hints what we should look at why Jake was NK'd, but no one took the bait - especially not me.

At last someone (MathBlade) blurted out that Jake was killed for his "reads" - which was no read at all, it was just Jake being angry with me for calling out his trollish ways. He was vig bait, not scum NK bait. That's why the NK always felt soooooo manipulative to me.

[MathBlade]

It’s pretty obvious that you were neighbors with A50 yes.

Informed? Maybe?
Other things? No fuckin clue.

A50 scumread you pretty hard.
Why did you not use the hood if you’re town?

Pedit: Confused? This post is me talking with Titus assuming kills were about reads? I don’t get what you’re arguing here.

[Ircher]

Day 5 VC #1

Not Voting (5): Galron, DrippingGoofball, WhemeStar, Titus, MathBlade

With 5 alive, it takes 3 votes to fade a player.

Deadlines

This phase will end no earlier than Thursday, July 15, 2021 9:45:00 PM EDT or in (expired on 2021-07-15 21:45:00).
This phase will end no later than Saturday, July 24, 2021 9:45 PM EDT or in (expired on 2021-07-24 21:45:00).

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Pronoun Key

1: DrippingGoofball : It
3: Xlos : He/him
4: Almost50 : He/him
6: Galron : He/him
7: MathBlade : He/him
9: Titus : She/her
10: WhemeStar : He/him

[MathBlade]

Like my entire point of that is I don’t get why scum were killing who they did and Titus’s argument didn’t make sense.
So I started with her premise that players were killed for reads reasons and reached a logical contradiction?

[Titus]

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

No. No. Fuck that. I'm not taking your shit right now. You don't get to decide ifbother people are being genuine or not.

If you assume scum were always killing because of suspicion then DGB is scum here.
Then you get DGB with me(incorrectly) or Galron

Which would make Murdercat’s reads mostly wrong which defeats the Murdercat was killed for reads argument unless frame job.

So like some players have to be killed for not reads reasons

FINALLY

I was waiting for the scum to out themselves as to why Jake was killed.

I didn't say a thing the morning of, because I felt I was being FRAMED, and that the NK was the sign of a

social

gamestate manipulative scum team more than a

mech

manipulative scum team.

Over and over MathBlade has been throwing little hints what we should look at why Jake was NK'd, but no one took the bait - especially not me.

At last someone (MathBlade) blurted out that Jake was killed for his "reads" - which was no read at all, it was just Jake being angry with me for calling out his trollish ways. He was vig bait, not scum NK bait. That's why the NK always felt soooooo manipulative to me.

Didn't I say Jake was killed for opposing A50? Let me check.

[Titus]

WTF was my reaction to being alive today.

Assuming you’re town I think smart scum doesn’t kill you. That would make Xlos unlimmable and this is elo. Given Xlos was the kill they must have believed you weren’t a one shot.

Assuming you’re scum well…then scum killing you is dumb.

Like the Jake kill seems dumb.

How do we have smart and dumb scum?

I looked over the game and I am just confused.

Jake was likely killed because he was the biggest proponent of not eliminating A50.

Yup

[MathBlade]

So what exactly is DGB saying here Titus?

I don’t get it.

[DrippingGoofball]

Didn't I say Jake was killed for opposing A50? Let me check.

It could be a reason, but it's more of a sideways hit than a direct hit.

MathBlade, who replaced in a scummy, replacement-rich slot, has been making cases that I'm scum every day. One day, in anger, Jake votes me, and finds himself dead'ed in the morning.

It just fits into MathBlade's day time agenda so tightly.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

No. No. Fuck that. I'm not taking your shit right now. You don't get to decide ifbother people are being genuine or not.

If you assume scum were always killing because of suspicion then DGB is scum here.
Then you get DGB with me(incorrectly) or Galron

Which would make Murdercat’s reads mostly wrong which defeats the Murdercat was killed for reads argument unless frame job.

So like some players have to be killed for not reads reasons

FINALLY

I was waiting for the scum to out themselves as to why Jake was killed.

I didn't say a thing the morning of, because I felt I was being FRAMED, and that the NK was the sign of a

social

gamestate manipulative scum team more than a

mech

manipulative scum team.

Over and over MathBlade has been throwing little hints what we should look at why Jake was NK'd, but no one took the bait - especially not me.

At last someone (MathBlade) blurted out that Jake was killed for his "reads" - which was no read at all, it was just Jake being angry with me for calling out his trollish ways. He was vig bait, not scum NK bait. That's why the NK always felt soooooo manipulative to me.

DGB

How did you go from I can’t be scum to
I have to be scum for doing NKA on Jake’s death?

[DrippingGoofball]

I lied so that you don't kill me.

[DrippingGoofball]

Also I wasn't 100% sure that it was you who was the manipulative mastermind behind the Jake NK. I figured it was very much in Titus' wheelhouse or yours.

Now I know it was yours.

[MathBlade]

Didn't I say Jake was killed for opposing A50? Let me check.

It could be a reason, but it's more of a sideways hit than a direct hit.

MathBlade, who replaced in a scummy, replacement-rich slot, has been making cases that I'm scum every day. One day, in anger, Jake votes me, and finds himself dead'ed in the morning.

It just fits into MathBlade's day time agenda so tightly.

So you’re arguing that I as scum,
Do not kill the player who is extremely paranoid of me and who could guilty me,
And instead kill Jake?

When scum!me (not true but hypothetically) knows that elimming a claimed cop (assuming you’re town) is an uphill battle so hard as to be nigh on impossible

When in that world if you check me then even if I elim you I would be outed scum the next day.

Like what?
This does not make sense

And even if I was scum again I never kill you after you claim an inno.

Like what?

This does not compute

[Titus]

Dgb, thought on Galron

[MathBlade]

You can argue that I am scum all you want.

I get I replaced into a scummy slot.
I do that all the time. Sometimes the slot is scum sometimes it’s town sometimes it’s 3P.

At least make an argument that makes sense.
Otherwise if you’re town you’re going to lead it astray.

[DrippingGoofball]

Dgb, thought on Galron

Both Galron and Whemestar are in the same category for me - people that I find hard to read. Gun to the head, I'd say Galron is town and Wheme is scum. So my solve today is MB and Wheme. Let me check what MB has said about both of these players.

It's not impossible that both are scum together, but on account of the NKs, I'd say one of them has got to be you or MB, and I don't believe it's you.

[DrippingGoofball]

WhemeStar+*
Is it bad you believe the nom claim? No? Your beliefs are your beliefs. I think with claims out so far I think it might be a good idea for you to extrapolate some. Assuming you’re town then if nom is town you either save Nom or demonstrate what pinged you and then we can use it as a starting point. If nom is scum then you learn how to judge nom claims better. Assuming you’re scum there’s risk involved but I think you’re town and it’s antitown to go into those risks so gonna quit rambling now.

So I see Wheme a lot in MB's POE, but never an actual push, so far.

[DrippingGoofball]

Galron+
I see where Galron started with T3 but I don’t think T3 is scum because it’s kinda dumb to claim informed early if scum. Yes usually informed is scum only but I think there’s some weird shit going on here. I like most of their progression and while I disagree with their logic on Nom I can see how someone would get there.

This is a lot of saying nothing.

[MathBlade]

Galron+
I see where Galron started with T3 but I don’t think T3 is scum because it’s kinda dumb to claim informed early if scum. Yes usually informed is scum only but I think there’s some weird shit going on here. I like most of their progression and while I disagree with their logic on Nom I can see how someone would get there.

This is a lot of saying nothing.

On the contrary.

For Wheme I was saying his lack of content is unacceptable and still is.
This is me saying I think T3 is the rolecop. It doesn’t say anything about Galron except that I see his logic.

The fact you see it as nothing is irrelevant.

[MathBlade]

Yes yes I tried to suggest other players were rolecop in the wall to give T3 a chance. Yes yes that’s scummy

So yeah considering claims forcing scum to kill a VT is a good thing

[DrippingGoofball]

Urgh, I can't find fault with MB having null-ish reads on both these slots, so moving on.

[Titus]

Tempted to vote Galron here.

[Titus]

I just want to hear from him first.

[MathBlade]

Titus before you vote Galron do look at the read wall DGB mentioned again

And this comment has nothing to do with Galron but I think it explains some of my responses.