Silent Star 4: Yin and Yang

[Chara]

when i say endgame i mean the 2 scum at the end of the game. they have much harder time getting out than the 2 scum in the beginning of the game

i know what you meant, yes.

[Chara]

Maybe Yin and Yang are not in fact NPAs but maybe stumps and Hectic was actually lying to us about that?

it seems like they would have to be, since Yang is confirmed in a masonry with you and therefore town.

[Amy Dunne]

i think infinity is better at deepwolfing than flea and most people in this game so if she decided to tank it should mean the two scum left are better at deepwolfing than she is.

i don't know Infinity's scumgame at all, but Flea's scumgame isn't bad. that said, if it was the plan for fae to endgame, i don't think this is how fae does it at all.
but it's not 100% that the game actually went to plan for scum. it doesn't seem like Nakata at least was purposely tanking like Infinity was, his day 1 seemed to be normal solving and trying to look town. maybe he was intending to endgame and then had to be eliminated when it didn't work out.

GTH i would say Tanner/Ydrasse/me/either Pooky or clidd, but i'm worried i won't be able to be townread enough to offset the paranoia so i can't really count on being in the pool.Tweetie could absolutely still be town but part of my townread on her besides general energy level and vibes was her voting scum and her Robert townread. there was no reason for scum Tweetie to stick her neck out for Robert like that, but knowing that scum didn't want him eliminated and he was anyway she's the one i'm concerned about the most atm.

The sudden push on Pooky being scum worries me. I don’t see any reason for anyone’s read on him to have changed. I think Pooky!scum would be way too smart to IC me here, so I think scum frame up is possible.

[Chara]

i'm trying not to read into it. i think you were ICed because you were really town. Pooky has a lot of good reasons to be town and my reasons for not being sure boil down to knowing his scumgame potential, which isn't really fair and which is why i'd like to spend time before we just move forward with the sparing. i would spare him before clidd if given the choice right now.

[Flea The Magician]

im actually thinking maybe flea is town because theres no way anyone picks flea to endgame over infinity

Why not? Flea is decent as scum.

Scum would have likely been opposed to both Ircher/Robert wagons, so whomever was hard opposed to both might be scum right?

Flea is damned good as scum, thank you. I get more TRs when i'm red than when i'm green.

[Amy Dunne]

Maybe Yin and Yang are not in fact NPAs but maybe stumps and Hectic was actually lying to us about that?

it seems like they would have to be, since Yang is confirmed in a masonry with you and therefore town.

So I think Yin is possibly lying about only one of you/Tanner but not both. Why? Because if either of you flip mafia, we will be terrified to yeet the other.

My gut tells me that it’s you > Tanner. It’s a gut read. You don’t sound anything here like you did in Pokemon Battles.

I’m wary on limming Tanner.

[Tanner]

I’m wary on limming Tanner.

why?

[Chara]

the criminal thing seems like pure wifom to me, i'm not going to make any decisions based on that. i get that only me and Tanner have any reason to outright discount it given Infinity and Nakata did flip scum, but i definitely don't think it makes Tanner any more likely to be scum.

[Amy Dunne]

I also think 2/4 scum were decided on to be obviously scummy and the remaining 2, were supposed to play very townie.

I can’t really explain why but I think Tanner could be mafia because I think Yin only named 3/4 scum. The other scum is amongst the non-criminals.

I just really tr Chara but I feel something may be off about Tanner.

[clidd]

Shouldn't we let MT go first then?

[clidd]

VOTE: Morning Tweet

[Tanner]

why are we playing the wifom game of the npc who is literally confirmed to be scum-aligned and who it's been confirmed that he's been lying to us? like?

if something's off about me then say it, but the "yin named 3/4 scum" is an incredibly bad take.

[Amy Dunne]

I’m wary on limming Tanner.

why?

It’s a gut thing. I more tr you for being #1 on Infinity than anything else but I can’t explain it. Also your initial anger seems like it could have possibly be faked?

I just have really never confidently tr you in this game. Like in micro, you were so townie it hurt basically and I’m not feeling that for some reason.

[Chara]

i townread Tanner more than i do Tweetie. Tanner was on Robert hard and i remember a lot of times this game where Tanner would make an emotionally-charged post that made me think yes, he really wants this elim and he's upset no one else is seeing it.

tbh i think this is the case for Tweetie too, i'm just thinking i really wanted to correctly townread her this time but that her play is also exactly what i'd think scum Tweetie would be doing this game. + it bothers me that she PoEd scum in clidd/me/Flea when that was also her bottom three before we knew the wincons.

taking away the "town feeling" from Tanner's posts i do still think he's felt very good this game, i don't know how to explain it better than that even though i did think the same thing about Tweetie earlier. she could also just be town who was correctly reading Robert, because... yes.

[Amy Dunne]

why are we playing the wifom game of the npc who is literally confirmed to be scum-aligned and who it's been confirmed that he's been lying to us? like?

if something's off about me then say it, but the "yin named 3/4 scum" is an incredibly bad take.

No it isn’t because because if either you or Chara flips mafia, we are obviously not going ton yeet the other, which is why I think this.

Infinity and Nakata were really scummy and the remaining two have to play really townie and I just strongly tr Chara.

Like I could obviously be wrong but there’s suddenly a wagon on you, when we really ought to be taking our time here.

I think Ydrasse or Pooky are probably the safest lims, since I tr them the most.

[Amy Dunne]

i townread Tanner more than i do Tweetie. Tanner was on Robert hard and i remember a lot of times this game where Tanner would make an emotionally-charged post that made me think yes, he really wants this elim and he's upset no one else is seeing it.

tbh i think this is the case for Tweetie too, i'm just thinking i really wanted to correctly townread her this time but that her play is also exactly what i'd think scum Tweetie would be doing this game. + it bothers me that she PoEd scum in clidd/me/Flea when that was also her bottom three before we knew the wincons.

taking away the "town feeling" from Tanner's posts i do still think he's felt very good this game, i don't know how to explain it better than that even though i did think the same thing about Tweetie earlier. she could also just be town who was correctly reading Robert, because... yes.

So you think Yin only named 2 scum? It’s possible, sorry if I’m wrong on you, @Tanner. It’s possible it’s totally meaningless but Yin had to anticipate after detonate, that we would thoroughly disbelieve his criminal theory, so that’s why I’m worried.

[Tanner]

No it isn’t because because if either you or Chara flips mafia, we are obviously not going ton yeet the other, which is why I think this.

and if we're both town, then what? you yeet one, and think "well he must have named at least three", and there you go, a townie locked out. or an even better scenario (i know this is not the case, but from a townie's pov), if chara *does* flip mafia, you flip me right after because "no way he named all 4", and then you get fucked over if he did name all 4. it's literally nothing but wifom and you're falling right into it.

[Chara]

i'm actually just going to leave the thread for a bit and come back, @Tweetie your answer to my self-meta question would still be really helpful if you are town.

i know what i have to do and it's reread and i really don't want to right now.

pedit: because i think it's possible Yin could just name two town as criminals, knowing there would be this exact paranoia about it given the other two were scum.

[Tanner]

Like I could obviously be wrong but there’s suddenly a wagon on you, when we really ought to be taking our time here.

what does the sudden wagon matter? if i'm scum, i have one partner. you think they could be influencing the wagon that much?

[clidd]

VOTE: Ydrasse

[Amy Dunne]

I don't really get the chara wagon, its thoughts are nuanced enough to not really want me to wagon it so early.

PEdit: I feel like there's a better explanation than robert was just making stuff up.

[Amy Dunne]

No it isn’t because because if either you or Chara flips mafia, we are obviously not going ton yeet the other, which is why I think this.

and if we're both town, then what? you yeet one, and think "well he must have named at least three", and there you go, a townie locked out. or an even better scenario (i know this is not the case, but from a townie's pov), if chara *does* flip mafia, you flip me right after because "no way he named all 4", and then you get fucked over if he did name all 4. it's literally nothing but wifom and you're falling right into it.

Whose though? It my theory, not scum’s.

[Tanner]

i'm trying to explain to you that building your theories around a confirmed scum-aligned liar npc in a silent star game is a terrible idea?

[Amy Dunne]

Like I could obviously be wrong but there’s suddenly a wagon on you, when we really ought to be taking our time here.

what does the sudden wagon matter? if i'm scum, i have one partner. you think they could be influencing the wagon that much?

Idk but just that we need to approach this differently than usual.

We’re the people doing obvtown town things actually town or scum tricking us? That’s why play can possibly be misleading.

Both Infinty and Nakata were sussing Tweetie, which I initially considered clearing but both of them did that.

[Amy Dunne]

i'm trying to explain to you that building your theories around a confirmed scum-aligned liar npc in a silent star game is a terrible idea?

He’s a scum stump and yes, I could be wrong. Maybe it’s the sense I’ve had of you being angry or something all game. I can’t explain it, I’m just not feeling you town at a gut level rn, maybe that will change?