MT 2219: The Battle of Calculasia - Endgame

[Ircher]

Day 5 VC #1

Not Voting (5): Galron, DrippingGoofball, WhemeStar, Titus, MathBlade

With 5 alive, it takes 3 votes to fade a player.

Deadlines

This phase will end no earlier than Thursday, July 15, 2021 9:45:00 PM EDT or in (expired on 2021-07-15 21:45:00).
This phase will end no later than Saturday, July 24, 2021 9:45 PM EDT or in (expired on 2021-07-24 21:45:00).

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3: The moderator will be V/LA in late July. Tentative dates are July 25 to July 28.
4: Please note that with five players left, there is no minimum deadline.

Pronoun Key

1: DrippingGoofball : It
3: Xlos : He/him
4: Almost50 : He/him
6: Galron : He/him
7: MathBlade : He/him
9: Titus : She/her
10: WhemeStar : He/him

[Titus]

Galron, if you think I am town, please use your agency and vote.

[MathBlade]

Galron if town right now, loses us the game.

He’s pretty much said it’s me and Wheme and our interaction whatever you call it.

Excuse me for playing elo like it’s supposed to be played.

[Titus]

And there's the arrogance if town that Galron is talking about. You try to force everyone to play the game the way you think it should be played. Right now, you and I both agree that unifying town must be our priority. This means accepting all manner of playstyles. I accept your playstyle of wanting to solve the entire game today and I'm not rushing the elimination. If you're town, you need to accept me as I am and not how you wish me to be.

If you feel that we lose if Galron is town, that's just not right, if he cooperates. He doesn't need to solve the game. He just needs to find one scum. Case one scum.

[Titus]

Give him a reason to fight if he's town.

[MathBlade]

Secondly assume scum have a bus driver and a strongman and/or a roleblocker

Some variation there of:

The role cop would get guilties on well everyone.
The flavor cop flipped D2 with one shot doctor. This could be argued as a inno to the rolecop but gets counter claimed soon as the actual doc dies so it too is a guilty.

How does your suggestion avoid follow the cop?

Assume that scum never figure out T3 is rolecop (I believe he was killed for his role).

Literally every single night is a guilty.

If DGB and T3 never claimed then you’re looking at D2 guilty/inno and D3 guilty/inno. Doctor if not killed N1 creates follow the cop.

Pedit: What the fuck do you want Titus?

He already “cased” me incorrectly?

I agree unifying town is important but I am no where near prepared to bet the entire fucking game on Galron scum without finding his partner.

DGB based on mechanics and follow the cop
You based on not wanting to elim Nom and rush Galron to voting (that’s exactly what you’re doing)
Wheme for being a lurk sac and still existing until elim

If I assume Galron scum then anyone of you could be his partner and a forced bus.

So excuse me for being a little pissed you’re trying to ram Galron down our throats when your conclusions make zero sense even though I agree with the PoE.

[MathBlade]

You could actually be helping and trying to find Galron’s partner and instead you’re like
“whelp I found one scum job’s done”

That’s not how any of this works.

[Titus]

Pedit: What the fuck do you want Titus?

He already “cased” me incorrectly?

What I want is to give Galron a chance to prove me fucking wrong and put his money where his mouth is.

He did push you a bit. Having him make the decision as to who we eliminate between is giving him the agency he claims to crave. It helps to limit viable scumteams.

I am not stopping you from going after the whole puzzle. If I get confident about the whole puzzle, I'll say so.

You're free to do whatever you want. Just respect my methods and I will yours.

[MathBlade]

Except I am not.

Every other post you’re like “Galron vote”.

This stops me from hunting.

Assume Galron is scum. The other scum (assuming you town) literally does not have to post. Therefore I can’t figure out who it is.
Assume Galron is scum with you. Then either you get me who is always paranoid of you and it’s gg or you come up smelling sweet in elo.
Assume Galron is town. Then it’s gg and we lose.

Why does DGB have to post? If it is scum with Galron then it just goes “Guess I wait and see who votes Math or I can drop a vote on Galron if that doesn’t happen.

Why does Wheme have to post? If it’s Wheme and Galron then it just is the same as DGB or if it’s Wheme + anyone else then gg too.

When people don’t have the fear of elim they don’t have to post.

[MathBlade]

I suppose there’s the off chance Galron votes Wheme but based on his posting I kinda doubt it. But it’s still the same dilemma.

[Titus]

Great. Then I'll make one more post and shut up.

Galron please vote.

Wheme and DGB not posting is a fine reason to doubt Galron scum. They are posting. We're just hyperposting.

Good luck with your solving.

[DrippingGoofball]

assume scum have a bus driver

NO EVIDENCE

[MathBlade]

assume scum have a bus driver

NO EVIDENCE

Again assuming Titus’s suggestion was true…

[DrippingGoofball]

It sounds like the two of you know Galron is town

[MathBlade]

DGB where are your reads right now?

Pedit:

Okay then run with that.

Assume we both know Galron is town.
Why would I be complaining about Titus rushing to push Galron?
Why would I not be like “Yeah yeah Galron go vote”?

[Titus]

It sounds like the two of you know Galron is town

Galron voting here is what's best for town regardless of his role PM.

I have an idea as to the final answer but I don't need to share it as all it does is help scum. Sorry Math.

[Titus]

DGB where are your reads right now?

Pedit:

Okay then run with that.

Assume we both know Galron is town.
Why would I be complaining about Titus rushing to push Galron?
Why would I not be like “Yeah yeah Galron go vote”?

It's saying we're scum together and chickenshit.

[MathBlade]

It sounds like the two of you know Galron is town

Galron voting here is what's best for town regardless of his role PM.

I have an idea as to the final answer but I don't need to share it as all it does is help scum. Sorry Math.

Quite frankly I disagree here. But that would be rehashing things.

Ffs you said you’d let me hunt Titus

[MathBlade]

DGB where are your reads right now?

Pedit:

Okay then run with that.

Assume we both know Galron is town.
Why would I be complaining about Titus rushing to push Galron?
Why would I not be like “Yeah yeah Galron go vote”?

It's saying we're scum together and chickenshit.

Duh. That’s why I asked it “Why would I stop you’re really proscum plan”?

[DrippingGoofball]

I love how Wheme is still under the radar.

[MathBlade]

I love how Wheme is still under the radar.

And I hate how you’re not giving reads.
And you’re not explaining how follow the cop doesn’t exist.

[DrippingGoofball]

Whoever is scum... Wheme is the universal partner.

[DrippingGoofball]

I love how Wheme is still under the radar.

And I hate how you’re not giving reads.
And you’re not explaining how follow the cop doesn’t exist.

I've been giving reads nonstop.

I have soured on setup speculation this year.

[Titus]

I love how Wheme is still under the radar.

He is, but T3 townread him so I'm not interested there today barring a vote from Galron.

Basically, I'm rereading the person Galron votes and forgoing the others.

[MathBlade]

Whoever is scum... Wheme is the universal partner.

See this is the opposite of Titus.

She’s all “Galron + X” and you’re all “Wheme + X”

And I am like
DGB + Galron
And Titus + Wheme are top theories

Sell me on Wheme