Silent Star 4: Yin and Yang

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #3400 (ISO) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:43 pm

In post 3397, Ydrasse wrote:like you keep saying that everyone’s staying static like it’s a bad thing that their minds aren’t changing to include you 100% of the time

?

Why would I even care about whether Tanner/MT/You include me as a townie?

are you serious?

Do you think I have any trouble winning a 1v1 at 3p endgame when Amy hard-townreads me?

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #3401 (ISO) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:44 pm

In post 3399, Ydrasse wrote:you literally did an entire spiel towards her yesterday going ARE YOU SCUM hello?

that was an off the cuff emotional reaction towards her.

I'm talking about my re-read which doesn't target her at all and kind of says she's very town.

you know that.

Ydrasse · Post Post #3402 (ISO) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:46 pm

i’ll reply tmrw i just threw up

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #3403 (ISO) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:47 pm

like you keep attributing bad motivations towards me and claim that scum!me would actually come after town!you this early in the endgame.

it makes no sense.

I am a very strategic player as scum. I do not target people that are top tier townreads, I target LHFs that are easy to isolate. Especially in a Trust Fall style game where you are trying to "remove" townies.

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #3404 (ISO) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:48 pm

sorry : (

I hope you feel better I didn't want to get into this with you :<

I'm even more sorry if you are actually town here : (

Ydrasse · Post Post #3405 (ISO) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:50 pm

i am just

if you are too let’s reset tmrw i’ll reread afte work right now i’m can’t see you as town but shitfighting riine this game

goodnight

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #3406 (ISO) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:51 pm

I mean its more my fault if we're T/T you don't have to apologize to me.

I don't want to shit fight you I'd rather just let it go tbh :<

good night <3

Amy Dunne · Post Post #3407 (ISO) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 5:57 pm

Pooky is locktown but I still think tvt. Her interactions with Infinty don’t sound partnery but like Pooky, the revel has me questioning everything.

Amy Dunne · Post Post #3408 (ISO) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:04 pm

In post 1373, Infinity 324 wrote:
In post 1362, Morning Tweet wrote:
In post 1359, Infinity 324 wrote:I don't know what ircher's doing but I don't see a scum motivation
Do you see a town one?
Townies are weird sometimes

@clidd Is there something you're most interested in? I might do a readslist later but I'm lazy and I might not

In post 1374, Ydrasse wrote:VOTE: infinity

infinity i love you but don't be lazy my god

Amy Dunne · Post Post #3409 (ISO) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:07 pm

Anyone who 100% can’t tell this is bleeding obvtown!Pooky, I honestly don’t know what you’re smoking.

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #3410 (ISO) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:10 pm

like I just thought about what I'd be doing as scum and it's definitely not trying to keep Ydra!town from leaving.

because

If I am scum, all I have to do is get my partner out of this hellhole and I can probably win 1v1 against anyone here in the endgame

except

for Ydrasse.

She is Amy's #1 townread, I'm #2, it makes absolutely 0 sense for me to keep her in the game to potentially kick my ass at the endgame when I can just let her walk out of the game and look good for it.

Amy Dunne · Post Post #3411 (ISO) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 6:24 pm

In post 3410, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:like I just thought about what I'd be doing as scum and it's definitely not trying to keep Ydra!town from leaving.

because

If I am scum, all I have to do is get my partner out of this hellhole and I can probably win 1v1 against anyone here in the endgame
except
for Ydrasse.

She is Amy's #1 townread, I'm #2, it makes absolutely 0 sense for me to keep her in the game to potentially kick my ass at the endgame when I can just let her walk out of the game and look good for it.

Actually you’re #1 rn but her reaction to you is very different than to Hectic’s in Waltz. Scum!Ydrasse tends to get extremely nervous when pushed and she didn’t seem nervous to me.

So I think you’re probably wrong. In fact scum!Ydrasse tends to make a lot of scummy looking cases, so her play here seems consistent with what I recall of her towngames.

I also don’t think scum!Ydrasse would hardpush Infinity wagon so hard if she were informed because she would have to know how it would look on reveal.

I also think scum!Ydrasse would be more likely to push Nakata because if you re-read Infinity ISO, she looked like she was hard trying to get Nakata limmed and Nakata also wanted to keep Infinty alive longer. Also her Infinity progression didn’t just come out of left field, so I still think tvt.

Amy Dunne · Post Post #3412 (ISO) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:15 pm

@Pooky my theory is that scum kind’ve needed to be playing 3 D chess prior to reveal, or at least 2/4. Look townie but look good post-reveal.

I think that’s what you maybe overlooking.

Remember scum knew about the reveal, so I think you need to totally flip the way your reading this.

Think Pooky, scum would absolutely want to look like they’re pushing town not scum. I know if I’m scum here, I never hardpush a scum wagon or hard defend a scummy townie.

If I’m scum here, I want to hardpush a miselim on a scummy townie and be on a scumwagon but not be positively gleeful the way Ydrasse was.

Iow, Ydrasse was doing all of the wrong things in this setup to be tr, which is probably why she’s very likely town here and why I have the exact opposite take on Ydrasse/Tanner that you do. 2/4 scum were absolutely playing for reveal. Scum!Ydrasse would absolutely have anticipated those kinds of arguments being used against her. Like for scum!her to hard ram Infinty wagon through the way she did is seriously dumb if you think about it.

Amy Dunne · Post Post #3413 (ISO) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 7:26 pm

In post 3395, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 3393, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 3389, Ydrasse wrote:
In post 3387, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:
In post 3380, Ydrasse wrote:you only need one person to trust you in trust fall

in this game you’re trying to get everyone to trust you and your partner more than the towniest people, and i’m gonna assume you’re not partnered with mt/tanner, so like of course you don’t get to play this setup like trust fall? what?
In Trust Fall as well as this game, the only thing the scum have to do is make sure the bottom 2 least trusted people are town.

I don't have to make anyone doubt you to win, I can just target the LHFs in this town if I am scum. For example, Clidd/Chara/Flea are all easier targets for scum!me than you. Even if you assume one of them is my partner, I can simply target the other two.
oh your partner is chara
Kind of having trouble believing you believe any of what you're saying to me at this point.
i don’t believe that it’s tanner/mt/probably not flea

you don’t bus anyways and you can’t at this point so clidds out

i think that it’s an easy conclusion to reach

I think both of you are probably right about Tweetie.

Hectic · Post Post #3414 (ISO) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 9:53 pm

¶

Votecount 4.6

[3] Ydrasse:

clidd, Flea The Magician, Ydrasse

[1] Tanner:

Morning Tweet

[4] Not Voting:

PookyTheMagicalBear, Chara, Tanner, Amy Dunne

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to sentence. If there is no majority by the deadline, plurality will decide.

The deadline is in (expired on 2021-07-25 12:06:58).

Joint moderator ISO.

clidd · Post Post #3415 (ISO) » Mon Jul 19, 2021 11:28 pm

Occasionally I have decent reads that are inexplicable to the point where it looks like tmi, so /shrug.

Also:

VOTE: PookyTheMagicalBear

Looking more towny in the last pages.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #3416 (ISO) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:59 am

In post 3306, Yang wrote:Remember when I tried to protect the mafia from your votings

And you didn't listen to me

I both thank you and dislike you for this as now I'm intrigued enough to go evidence hunting...

Flea The Magician · Post Post #3417 (ISO) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:01 am

In post 3310, Tanner wrote:can we not vote the people who townread me out first please :/

also uhh. was busy with other things tonight. definitely doing stuff soon still.

Almost like it's scuppering your chance of winning ain't it. You're suddenly more desperate to get out of here.

Pull up a spike, we're staying.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #3418 (ISO) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 2:01 am

In post 3316, Amy Dunne wrote:Yin also told Pooky that there were an even number of scum in Pooky/Clidd/Tweetie, which contradicts his Tanner/Chara reads.

0 is an even number technically.

Chara · Post Post #3419 (ISO) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:06 am

i am everyone's partner apparently. :>

i forgot about clidd's Ircher defense. blah.

Chara · Post Post #3420 (ISO) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:24 am

In post 3410, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:like I just thought about what I'd be doing as scum and it's definitely not trying to keep Ydra!town from leaving.

because

If I am scum, all I have to do is get my partner out of this hellhole and I can probably win 1v1 against anyone here in the endgame
except
for Ydrasse.

She is Amy's #1 townread, I'm #2, it makes absolutely 0 sense for me to keep her in the game to potentially kick my ass at the endgame when I can just let her walk out of the game and look good for it.

Ydrasse's arguments here don't seem purely logical as much as she's being attacked and it makes sense for her attacker to be scum. like yes, i agree with you it doesn't make a lot of sense for you to pick this fight as scum, but i don't think she's the type (or is in the mindset to right now) to look at this from the objective outsider view right in the moment rather than "Pooky is pushing me and i'm town, therefore he's scum".

but a lot of this comes from, i really don't think scum Ydrasse takes the angles she's taken this game as scum? i don't want to be like, i'm not saying she's done anything i'd find actually objectionable as scum, but early game when she was arguing for Ircher town and i voted Ircher because of a joke Norwee made, she was genuinely upset because she thought i was voting him just to spite her or something. i don't think she decides to just fake that feeling as scum. it's the same with her interactions with Robert.
i don't know Ydrasse so well as a player as much as as a person, but when i have seen her as scum she very much didn't wear her heart on her sleeve like that. she's not incapable of AtEing as scum but it had a very different feeling to it.

Chara · Post Post #3421 (ISO) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:26 am

In post 3417, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3310, Tanner wrote:can we not vote the people who townread me out first please :/

also uhh. was busy with other things tonight. definitely doing stuff soon still.
Almost like it's scuppering your chance of winning ain't it. You're suddenly more desperate to get out of here.

Pull up a spike, we're staying.

not to be Like That, but Tanner's blatant "please vote me out asap" is kind've +town for me. i'm already confident in that read but i'm trying to imagine scum Tanner thinking it's a good idea to make this post.

Flea The Magician · Post Post #3422 (ISO) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:49 am

Spoiler: Yang Hunt

Spoiler: Conclusion

Flea The Magician · Post Post #3423 (ISO) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 3:50 am

In post 3421, Chara wrote:
In post 3417, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3310, Tanner wrote:can we not vote the people who townread me out first please :/

also uhh. was busy with other things tonight. definitely doing stuff soon still.
Almost like it's scuppering your chance of winning ain't it. You're suddenly more desperate to get out of here.

Pull up a spike, we're staying.
not to be Like That, but Tanner's blatant "please vote me out asap" is kind've +town for me. i'm already confident in that read but i'm trying to imagine scum Tanner thinking it's a good idea to make this post.

How is it? How is it remotely a good post?
That is scum 100%.

Amy Dunne · Post Post #3424 (ISO) » Tue Jul 20, 2021 4:58 am

In post 3423, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3421, Chara wrote:
In post 3417, Flea The Magician wrote:
In post 3310, Tanner wrote:can we not vote the people who townread me out first please :/

also uhh. was busy with other things tonight. definitely doing stuff soon still.
Almost like it's scuppering your chance of winning ain't it. You're suddenly more desperate to get out of here.

Pull up a spike, we're staying.
not to be Like That, but Tanner's blatant "please vote me out asap" is kind've +town for me. i'm already confident in that read but i'm trying to imagine scum Tanner thinking it's a good idea to make this post.
How is it? How is it remotely a good post?
That is scum 100%.

What I don’t understand why Tanner is in such a damn hurry to be sentenced here? We have 5 townies to choose from excludng me, so why is Tanner so eager to be eliminated first?

I’m okay with any of Pooky, Tweetie, Ydrasse but I agree with Pooky that this day shouldn’t be rushed by my reasoning is probably different. I want to gets as much possible info from the various VC’s as possible.