sure, I'm willing to work with you on everything : )In post 3446, Ydrasse wrote:will you at least give me some good faith and work with me through things?
I hope you feel better Ydra! <3In post 3449, Ydrasse wrote:on that note i ate a sandwich feel sick again and have to go back to work WOOOOO
if i don’t show up tonight i’m dead from whatever is plaguing me
Yes I am absolutely but I’m still trying to decide which order: Pooky, you, Tweetie is the most optimal. I 100% want you three to leave one after the other and if Tanner is scum, it might not matter because all three of you tr him but I think getting all you out first is what’s most optimal. Then probably Flea last, since I’m kind’ve mindmelding with faer.In post 3443, Ydrasse wrote:before anyone goes “NO RUSHING” i am not trying to rush here but amy, could you pick either me or pooky to leave today? if you townread us both and think we are tvt i’d rather have it settled so it doesn’t eat up everything, i’m not sold on pooky being locktown but i’ll vote him if you’re absolutely confident
with Tweetie i was pinged by how she entered the day, she fit exactly what i would've expected scum in the townblock to do: not make waves, try and keep her place, and not really reevaluate. i know she said she hasn't had time yet and that her reads are based on non-associative things but that's not really good enough for me until i actually see it.In post 3441, Amy Dunne wrote:What is your issue with Tweetie? Why is she scum?
i'm okay with you hammer-testing and not being yeeted immediately, but why wouldn't you be happy being the fourth townie to be sentenced?In post 3445, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I don't really want to leave until I get 4 townies out first though because my leaving doesn't really "win" us the game.
You can hammer-test me at E-1 and I won't self hammer if you need to "conftown my slot" but I don't think it makes sense to silence me early.
Let's just work on who we agree is town for now?
I'm happy with both Tanner and Tweetie leaving first.
there's already one townie sentenced? we just need four now, unless i misunderstood something.In post 3454, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Amy, if I don't leave it's the same thing as if I leave, if you are willing to let me leave as the 5th townie out.
If I leave now, you have to find 4 townies after I'm gone.
If I stay and help you find 4 townies first, I can then leave after the 4th townie is out and it'd be the same thing as if I left first except I'll be around to help you find the first 4.
I would be paranoing on Ydrasse if I thought she was actually scum here. As I said, the way she hard rammed Infinity wagon through doesn’t really make a lot of sense if she’s informed about the reveal. I wouldn’t think scum!Ydrasse would want to be that obvious about hardpushing Infinity here as scum. Because Nakata or even Ircher might have possibly gone through instead. If I’m scum, I want to be on Nakata or Infinity wagon but not be super obvious about it as Ydrasse was. I don’t really think scum cared that much which one of Nakata, Ircher, Infinity was first eliminated tbh.In post 3450, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:sure, I'm willing to work with you on everything : )In post 3446, Ydrasse wrote:will you at least give me some good faith and work with me through things?
besides this is just first impressions I have through the first 50ish pages of D1 on my re-read, I haven't even touched D2/D3 yet.
I really do hope I will feel better about you and besides I will always defer to Amy in the final choice anyway.
Ydrasse please feel better and take a rest from this game if you need it, ily, i doubt we are eliminating anyone tonight. <3In post 3449, Ydrasse wrote:on that note i ate a sandwich feel sick again and have to go back to work WOOOOO
if i don’t show up tonight i’m dead from whatever is plaguing me
mafia 4, that's all the members, and town 5 townies. we already sentenced Robert, so we only need 4 now. that's why i've been saying Robert's sentencing is a big deal, especially re: clidd. and also you but i think you're town anyway.In post 2885, Hectic wrote:There are 4 mafia and 9 town in this game. Mafia win by sentencing all 4 of their members. Town win by sentencing 5 townies. Town are under the impression they should be sentencing mafia, but once two mafia have been sentenced, the true wincons will be revealed publicly. Mafia were aware of all this.
I’m confused by this. You read Tweetie’s interactions with Nakata as “anti-partnery”? Then why do you scumread her? *confuzzled*In post 3453, Chara wrote:with Tweetie i was pinged by how she entered the day, she fit exactly what i would've expected scum in the townblock to do: not make waves, try and keep her place, and not really reevaluate. i know she said she hasn't had time yet and that her reads are based on non-associative things but that's not really good enough for me until i actually see it.In post 3441, Amy Dunne wrote:What is your issue with Tweetie? Why is she scum?
Pooky on the other hand did want to reset and seems to be actively doing so, and Tanner is also doing that in spite of wanting to be out of the game asap, though not to the same degree Pooky has.
i've only reread Tweetie's day 1 so far, she spent basically all of it hardpushing Ircher, and i don't believe she voted Infinity though she was fine with her going through. i want to say that all the time spent on Ircher is -scum for Tweetie, especially because his day 1 posting was suspicious, but when Ircher was about to go through she ended up stalling by waiting for Yin to answer more questions. i don't know about this because it's still a big risk, she had no guarantee that Ircher would actually not go through even if she did stall, and the most substantial facet of her day 1 play is the Ircher push. in between there is some Infinity defending before she finally comes around to Infy scum. the interactions with Nakata are also rather anti-partnery, i think?
Oh right, we actually need 5 not 4.In post 2885, Hectic wrote:In the early hours of the morning, you find a small piece of parchment lying on the ground of the pit. You read it aloud as the other villagers gather around you.
Spoiler:
You have all been deceived. The Imperials have no interest in justice, they only have interest in finding the most exceptional criminals to recruit to their Royal Army, and to make use of their criminal skills. You've been under the impression that you've been sentencing people to death. In reality, being sentenced means freedom from the pit.
You do not know who I am, but I ask that you please heed my words and do not let the Mayor find out. Sentence those amongst you who you think are the most good and deserving to leave, and then perhaps... we can break this system from the inside.
TRUE Win Conditions:
In post 3454, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:Amy, if I don't leave it's the same thing as if I leave, if you are willing to let me leave as the 5th townie out.
If I leave now, you have to find 4 townies after I'm gone.
If I stay and help you find 4 townies first, I can then leave after the 4th townie is out and it'd be the same thing as if I left first except I'll be around to help you find the first 4.
No you’re correct, I’m wrong.In post 3458, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:oh yea I guess I read our victory condition wrong if we only need 4 to win >.>
Oh no, Chara and me are right and Pooky’s wrong because of Robert. D’oh.In post 3460, Chara wrote:mafia 4, that's all the members, and town 5 townies. we already sentenced Robert, so we only need 4 now. that's why i've been saying Robert's sentencing is a big deal, especially re: clidd. and also you but i think you're town anyway.In post 2885, Hectic wrote:There are 4 mafia and 9 town in this game. Mafia win by sentencing all 4 of their members. Town win by sentencing 5 townies. Town are under the impression they should be sentencing mafia, but once two mafia have been sentenced, the true wincons will be revealed publicly. Mafia were aware of all this.
Yeah but scum also need towncred for reveal and they obviously aren’t going to try to run up a consensus tr. I can’t tell you what Tanner would do here but if I’m scum, I would try very hard to miselim one lhf for towncred here along with of course two of my buddies. That way, I’m in an extremely good place to be sentenced based on that. Would you agree with that?In post 3448, PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:I really don't think Tanner was thinking about his endgame victory condition when he was pushing Robert hard, I've re-read nearly all of Day 1 now and he feels to me like very geniunely invested in yeeting Robert straight out of the game because he geniunely believes Robert to be scum and he's pulling his hair out mad that people are against him like a wall and he doesn't know why.
I really don't think Tanner is capable of faking that much fustration or deep conviction in yeeting a someone that is LHF town when the victory condition for scum is to keep the LHF towns in this game until the second half of the game.
There is absolutely no reason for a town tanner to be nervous right now.In post 3436, Chara wrote:i just don't think Tanner is scum. this seems ridiculous to me. he's one of the few reads i'm actually confident in rn, and i'm not confident in a whole lot at the moment. i can see why he's nervous. he's expected he can get out of this game, he doesn't want to be the reason for the loss, he's highly townread, but this Yin criminal thing keeps getting brought up as evidence and he knows it's wrong, and i know it's wrong. i don't know Datisi that well, but i absolutely know the feeling of feeling like you're being incorrectly read as rown and the game is about to get 10x harder. his play here is so reminiscent of Chara's Folly, i thought it at the beginning and it's only gotten stronger, right down to the spiralling of confidence right at the end. and unless the team is exactly Tanner/clidd i also don't see why he goes back and finds reason to defend him, either. which i guess is possible? it's not a reason i think Tanner is town, it's just something to note i guess.
point being i don't think scum Tanner does this. i think he's highly townread, he's happy with the status quo, he doesn't make multiple posts about wanting to be sentenced asap.
pedit: i would be okay with Pooky or Ydrasse today, if we aren't doing Tanner.
pedit x2: :<
In post 1450, Amy Dunne wrote:UNVOTE:
Yeah, I think Ircher definitely needs to be today’s elim.
VOTE: Ircher
E-1
again
In post 1452, Morning Tweet wrote:I would like to see what Yin says at midnight
If you believe Ircher is anti town I don't think you should put him at X-1 yet
In post 1456, Morning Tweet wrote:If he has the ability to self hammer then he will do it to rob us of that informationIn post 1455, Amy Dunne wrote:Why not?In post 1452, Morning Tweet wrote:I would like to see what Yin says at midnight
If you believe Ircher is anti town I don't think you should put him at X-1 yet
this is what i'm referring to.In post 1457, Morning Tweet wrote:It's true, Ircher has had plenty of time to say anything. But he left at "I'll self hammer" and kept it at that.
I don't think I've ever misread Datisi in my life lol.In post 3469, Amy Dunne wrote:Yeah but scum also need towncred for reveal and they obviously aren’t going to try to run up a consensus tr. I can’t tell you what Tanner would do here but if I’m scum, I would try very hard to miselim one lhf for towncred here along with of course two of my buddies. That way, I’m in an extremely good place to be sentenced based on that. Would you agree with that?
Here’s the thing Pooky, I’m not completely sure I believe in that conviction. You saw me hardpush djstr right and he even popped out of dead thread to hard defend me.
he's not, and i'm not, and Yin was scum, and the fact that Amy is coming around to your thinking is proof enough that Yin's wifom is working.In post 3470, Flea The Magician wrote:There is absolutely no reason for a town tanner to be nervous right now.
If tanners town and knows my read is bad, he dismisses it.
Tanners scum and you know it.
No it really isn’t. Think about it. Let’s say both scum died first, who would you tr? But if just one lhf townie also dies, scum gets tr for it, which is why Nakata was so okay with limming Robert, remember?In post 3466, Chara wrote:i do think Tweetie and Nakata's interactions don't look like partners, but i'm not trusting just that, especially when i'm not that great at looking at partner interactions in that way in the first place. but i'm taking it into account for sure. overall Tweetie's day 1 does make me doubt this, but then the stalling for Yin right when Ircher was going to be eliminated just seems like such a perfect excuse to not push Ircher through then.
pedit: yes, it doesn't need to be perfect. this phase would really suck if Robert hadn't been eliminated. that's why clidd being scum is so confusing to me. towncred is towncred is towncred but that's a major misplay. same with Tanner.
