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[Smoke and Mirrors]

Unfortunately we have no idea who Imaginality rb’d last night because Kyouku claimed 1 shot hitman.

... He RB'd me. He said he would do it yesterday and he confirmed it to marci in the hood.

???

Where did he confirm that to Marci?

in the neighborhood i had with him

Was this at night?

[Something_Smart]

That entire plan doesn't make any sense because I WAS THE ONE TO SAY DISTANCE MIGHT HAVE INNO'D MARCI. It's not even WIFOM. It's just me ruining my own plan! Once I've brought it out in the open, I can't be all sneaky sneaky trying to prevent you from figuring it out... If I wanted to keep that a secret I would just shut my goddamn mouth and quietly kill marci.

[Something_Smart]

And I was also literally the only person to sus Distance there. If I'm scum looking for the path of least resistance why do I pick someone whom nobody else scumreads and who was on the scum wagon?

[marcistar]

Was this at night?

ye
we originally thought that something_smart wouldn't have hitman, but now im not sure if he does

[Smoke and Mirrors]

Because he thought I would WIFOM out of it?
Because he thought he could win the 1v1?
Because he was counting on his partner to carry?
Because he just didn't think that far ahead? Hell if I know. It's not my job to justify the actions of dead scum. It's my job to explain why my actions don't make sense from scum, because they don't.

How do we know you have watcher and not 2 shot hitman? So the rb on you is not clearing. If your buddies with Gamma then you would obviously know he killed Mastina and why would we get visited > gravedigger Marci?

Same reason Mastina didn’t jk us despite us being her #1 tr.

[Something_Smart]

How do we know you have watcher and not 2 shot hitman?

What would I have instead of watcher? 2 shot AD? Why wouldn't I just claim that? If I wanted to call Gamma guilty I could just say he drafted hitman directly, that would be so much simpler and there's no reason to lie if I don't have to.

Or do you think I just have nothing and spent no money for the first 3 days?

[Something_Smart]

why would we get visited > gravedigger Marci?

Because marci could have been scum??

Feels like you're putting on revisionist glasses here. Nobody thought that Distance definitely had an inno on marci on D3. It is utterly hypocritical for you to say I should have known, when you did not know. (And you had a PR too, and arguably a more powerful one!)

[Smoke and Mirrors]

That entire plan doesn't make any sense because I WAS THE ONE TO SAY DISTANCE MIGHT HAVE INNO'D MARCI. It's not even WIFOM. It's just me ruining my own plan! Once I've brought it out in the open, I can't be all sneaky sneaky trying to prevent you from figuring it out... If I wanted to keep that a secret I would just shut my goddamn mouth and quietly kill marci.

That’s especially why you sussing on her doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Well, Marci would probably be dead without the jk, so it’s obvious scum didn’t want her to gravedig Distance and if you were 80% sure that Distance had an inno on her, why did you want us to flip the votes to him?

[Something_Smart]

This is honestly just ridiculous.

You are bending over backwards trying to believe a narrative where I am scum and pull some stupid insane gambits that you already admitted are not at all within my comfort zone as scum, when there's absolutely no reason ssbm can't be scum. None at all. You are not pelting her with questions. Why? I don't know, but it's infuriating, and even more so because I don't doubt that you're trying to help town.

I have seen so many more games lost due to last-minute paranoia than won because of it. Trust me when I say (and I would not lie about this!) that your sudden theories are going to be less accurate than the ones you developed over the whole game.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

How do we know you have watcher and not 2 shot hitman?

What would I have instead of watcher? 2 shot AD? Why wouldn't I just claim that? If I wanted to call Gamma guilty I could just say he drafted hitman directly, that would be so much simpler and there's no reason to lie if I don't have to.

Or do you think I just have nothing and spent no money for the first 3 days?

How could town!you possibly know if Gamma drafted hitman and since no hitman was apparently needed to kill Mastina, how is this even relevant?

@mod, what were the final bids on both 2 shot AD, 2 shot hitman and watcher?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I will also VOTE: S_S seeing S&M/Marci both go that way, as I said I would, but I see deadline is gone already, so idk if it will count for toDay

[ssbm_Kyouko]

How do we know you have watcher and not 2 shot hitman?

What would I have instead of watcher? 2 shot AD? Why wouldn't I just claim that? If I wanted to call Gamma guilty I could just say he drafted hitman directly, that would be so much simpler and there's no reason to lie if I don't have to.

Or do you think I just have nothing and spent no money for the first 3 days?

How could town!you possibly know if Gamma drafted hitman and since no hitman was apparently needed to kill Mastina, how is this even relevant?

@mod, what were the final bids on both 2 shot AD, 2 shot hitman and watcher?

450, 301, 500, respectively iirc

[Something_Smart]

That’s especially why you sussing on her doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Well, Marci would probably be dead without the jk, so it’s obvious scum didn’t want her to gravedig Distance and if you were 80% sure that Distance had an inno on her, why did you want us to flip the votes to him?

I am 80% sure NOW, now that we've talked it over and massclaimed. I was not 80% sure THEN, or I obviously would have said something!

[Something_Smart]

How could town!you possibly know if Gamma drafted hitman and since no hitman was apparently needed to kill Mastina, how is this even relevant?

If I have the AD, which is what I'd pretty much need to have for that theory, town me could AD Gamma and find the hitman.

[marcistar]

the numbers dont add up for a watcher + 2shot ad combo i think?

[marcistar]

the top bid on each item was :

1-shot Auction Detective 300
2-shot Auction Detective 450
2-shot Gravedigger 225
2-shot Watcher 500

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Like if you want to talk about things I would or wouldn't do as whatever alignment

Why do I spend 499 on godfather when I know the cop is dead and then get my partner to claim it (opening us BOTH up to AD)? In what world is THAT a smart play? I'm better than that as scum.

scum!Watcher can swap claims with partner easier than others because Watcher can see if partner was AD'ed

Not sure when you claimed watcher, I think it wasn't claimed until D4 or something, but by the time a couple of other claims were out it was clear that only Cyrus, Distance, or scum could have bought 2-shot AD, and Cyrus and Distance were for sure dead when you claimed, because you definitely didn't claim the watcher bid the same day it was sold, and they were dead D2 and N2.

[Smoke and Mirrors]

This is honestly just ridiculous.

You are bending over backwards trying to believe a narrative where I am scum and pull some stupid insane gambits that you already admitted are not at all within my comfort zone as scum, when there's absolutely no reason ssbm can't be scum. None at all. You are not pelting her with questions. Why? I don't know, but it's infuriating, and even more so because I don't doubt that you're trying to help town.

I have seen so many more games lost due to last-minute paranoia than won because of it. Trust me when I say (and I would not lie about this!) that your sudden theories are going to be less accurate than the ones you developed over the whole game.

It’s your reasons, positioning around Distance/Marci that is bothering me. Considering Distance said pushing her was a “scumclaim”, why would you want us to flip votes to him and even after he is NK’d and no kill due to Mastina jk’ing Marci, you still doubt it?

Like why didn’t you have this take on Kyouku sooner and instead of rereading the game, you say you’ll take our word that Marci’s town? Why wouldn’t you look to the actual game instead of sheeping us?

[Something_Smart]

scum!Watcher can swap claims with partner easier than others because Watcher can see if partner was AD'ed

Sure, but Gamma claimed GF D3, so he would be the one who would be AD'd if anyone. That doesn't help if he has the watcher.

[Something_Smart]

Like why didn’t you have this take on Kyouku sooner and instead of rereading the game, you say you’ll take our word that Marci’s town? Why wouldn’t you look to the actual game instead of sheeping us?

Because I rarely ever get anything out of rereading, and you brought up some valid points?

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Like if you want to talk about things I would or wouldn't do as whatever alignment

Why do I spend 499 on godfather when I know the cop is dead and then get my partner to claim it (opening us BOTH up to AD)? In what world is THAT a smart play? I'm better than that as scum.

It was Gamma and it looked like he was maybe hoping town spends 500 on it, because we know he claimed that.

I had the 1 shot and already used it on Imaginality. Maybe Kyouku is right then and you actually have the 2 shot then because no one so far has claimed it?

No, the 2-shot is dead with either Distance or Cyrus, or scum!you or scum!marci have it - both of which are impossible in scum!S_S pov, so scum!S_S knows 2-shot AD is dead and 1-shot AD is used by the time he claims Watcher, meaning it could easily have been Gamma that had Watcher and tried to buy JK for 300

[marcistar]

soo like im having doubts again aa

[ssbm_Kyouko]

It was Gamma and it looked like he was maybe hoping town spends 500 on it, because we know he claimed that.

Right okay, if Gamma himself spent 499 on GF, then we didn't swap roles. It follows that I was the one who got watcher for 500, and therefore I didn't get hitman for 301, and therefore I couldn't have killed last night because I was roleblocked.

Does that all make sense??

But no one has claimed 2 shot hitman. I know we don’t have it. What does you spending 500 on have to do with Gamma spending 499 on GF?

It looks to me like Gamma wanted us to doubt that Distance had cop.

Unfortunately we have no idea who Imaginality rb’d last night because Kyouku claimed 1 shot hitman. so he could have rb’d anyone.

Marci claimed that Imaginality told her in their hood that he was going to roleblock S_S last night. unless Marci is scum, S_S was roleblocked last night. Why does scum!Marci tell us who was roleblocked? scum!Marci can just lie and say she was not neighborized, and we all can go along thinking maybe Imaginality chose not to use it, or we can all think he must have neighborized our top SR and our SR is lying about not being neighborized, etc.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

soo like im having doubts again aa

lmk if you want to no elim

[Smoke and Mirrors]

How do we know you have watcher and not 2 shot hitman?

What would I have instead of watcher? 2 shot AD? Why wouldn't I just claim that? If I wanted to call Gamma guilty I could just say he drafted hitman directly, that would be so much simpler and there's no reason to lie if I don't have to.

Or do you think I just have nothing and spent no money for the first 3 days?

How could town!you possibly know if Gamma drafted hitman and since no hitman was apparently needed to kill Mastina, how is this even relevant?

@mod, what were the final bids on both 2 shot AD, 2 shot hitman and watcher?

450, 301, 500, respectively iirc

Kyouku can you tell me your bidding history again? I know you have one shot hitman, how much did that cost you?

Marci, you too please. How much did you spend on gravedigger.

Like the same person can only have one of these. Was Gamma’s 499 a midday or final bid and

@mod, why was the final bid on cop redacted?