Newbie 2073: Parfait (Over)

[GuyInFreezer]

VC 1.06

T3 (2):

Val89, catboi

GeneralWu (2):

MegAzumarill, T3

shwinnebego (3):

navigatorv, Roden, Save The Dragons

catboi (1):

shwinnebego

Not Voting:

GeneralWu

With

9

players remaining,

5

votes to eliminate

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-07-25 22:43:37)

[GeneralWu]

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[catboi]

I don't think shwinniebego/roden is w/w. If they're both scum, I don't think they're very coordinated.
A few of Roden's posts seem off (like 115, which sounds suspicious), but shwinniebego is probably the scummiest as of right now, though.

catboi is acting very towny right now because he could've just kept his vote on me and let shwinniebego hammer me for no reason, but he chose not to.

Also, save the dragons has posted mostly only one-liners as of right now. It doesn't seem like he's joining the discussion, and that's a bit suspicious.

Would you mind summarizing your reads in a list for me?

[Val89]

@mod: Looks like there is still an issue with the vote counter - by the looks of it, schwin is actually at E-2, and his vote is on catboi

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I have 0 idea what is going on. Fixed.

[catboi]

I don't think shwinn is especially likely to flip scum at this point but I would not be

stunned

if he did. All else being equal I don't think killing an overtly antitown player day 1 is the worst thing (and I hate using that label in a newbie game but there is really no other way to describe shwinn). However, I think T3 is more likely to actually flip scum at this moment.

[T3]

shwinn is a prime example of legit "TSTBS"

I don't think he's TSTBS; he's more likely SSTHIS (so scummy that he is scum).

He's trying to draw attention to himself.

[T3]

I just came off a game where I claimed Survivor Doctor as Mason. Point is, fakeclaiming is NAI for me.

[GeneralWu]

I feel that T3 is town because he's trying to solve the game. However, something about him seems a bit off.

I haven't looked at Val too much yet since he just got back like yesterday.

catboi is town because he could've just left his vote on me and let shwinnie zgrynibys me for no reason, but he didn't do that.

navigator seems genuinely trying to help, though I don't agree with everything he says about mechanics.

Meg is also towny. Though he makes fewer posts, those posts actually contain content that moves the game along. He also tried to stimulate discussion even very early in the game, indicating that he was trying his best to scumhunt and move the game out of RVS.

Roden seems weird since he was quick to jump on shwinnie. It's a bit scummy, but I don't think Roden/shwinnie is w/w.

save the dragons is inactive and most of his posts are one-liners. Some of his posts also don't do anything to move the game along.

[catboi]

I feel that T3 is town because he's trying to solve the game.

Where do you feel he has actually done this?

[GeneralWu]

I just came off a game where I claimed Survivor Doctor as Mason. Point is, fakeclaiming is NAI for me.

Why would you claim survivor doctor as mason?

Also, fakeclaiming is usually scummy activity; it doesn't really help to fakeclaim as a townie unless you're trying to do a reaction test or something.

Or maybe during RVS when somebody goes like "hey everybody, I'm a mafia rolecop come kill me!!!!!!!!!!" as a joke.

By the way, "rolecop" is a very fun word to say. So is the word "sunspots".

[T3]

I feel that T3 is town because he's trying to solve the game.

Where do you feel he has actually done this?

Pocketing me.

[T3]

I just came off a game where I claimed Survivor Doctor as Mason. Point is, fakeclaiming is NAI for me.

Why would you claim survivor doctor as mason?

Also, fakeclaiming is usually scummy activity; it doesn't really help to fakeclaim as a townie unless you're trying to do a reaction test or something.

Or maybe during RVS when somebody goes like "hey everybody, I'm a mafia rolecop come kill me!!!!!!!!!!" as a joke.

By the way, "rolecop" is a very fun word to say. So is the word "sunspots".

Because it was reverse mafia.

[GeneralWu]

I just came off a game where I claimed Survivor Doctor as Mason. Point is, fakeclaiming is NAI for me.

Why would you claim survivor doctor as mason?

Also, fakeclaiming is usually scummy activity; it doesn't really help to fakeclaim as a townie unless you're trying to do a reaction test or something.

Or maybe during RVS when somebody goes like "hey everybody, I'm a mafia rolecop come kill me!!!!!!!!!!" as a joke.

By the way, "rolecop" is a very fun word to say. So is the word "sunspots".

Because it was reverse mafia.

What's reverse mafia?

[GeneralWu]

VOTE: GeneralWu
His posts seem very fake helpful. He townreads me, nav, and Roden for putting in effot but won't elaborate further on that. His reads sem lazy because they look more based on postcount than actual content.

T3 still gives me weird vibes, but I think that might be because he reminds me of a player in my other game who turned out to be scum. Actually analyzing what he's said so far though seems to lean slightly townish. Things like asking what color a person's role was (there should only be two going by the sample PMs and scum would already know what everyone's is if that's the case) and pointing out problems with Wu's posts. None of that's definitive, but it has made me a bit less wary if nothing else.

Honestly, I also think T3 is a bit weird. It's a bit suspicious how he just voted me for townreading people and not elaborating further, even though when I made those reads there weren't many posts and thus not much to explain. I also think it's a bit weird how he said navigator is locktown, because I wouldn't locktown anybody so early in the game.

It's not really weird to locktown people this early in the game. I also think Roden is towny for conceding on the nav read and sugesting he be policy limmed if there's a scumflip.

I'm confident that nav is town.

Why though?

His early viberead, him saying he can be easily influenced meanwhile agreeing with me. Complex thought processes and emotional reactions are something newbscum can't fake.

@catboi these posts make T3 seem towny. He's trying to scumhunt, though I don't necessarily agree with his reasons for his reads.

[T3]

I just came off a game where I claimed Survivor Doctor as Mason. Point is, fakeclaiming is NAI for me.

Why would you claim survivor doctor as mason?

Also, fakeclaiming is usually scummy activity; it doesn't really help to fakeclaim as a townie unless you're trying to do a reaction test or something.

Or maybe during RVS when somebody goes like "hey everybody, I'm a mafia rolecop come kill me!!!!!!!!!!" as a joke.

By the way, "rolecop" is a very fun word to say. So is the word "sunspots".

Because it was reverse mafia.

What's reverse mafia?

The people who get mafia role pms are actually the uninformed miajority and town is minority.

[T3]

I just came off a game where I claimed Survivor Doctor as Mason. Point is, fakeclaiming is NAI for me.

Why would you claim survivor doctor as mason?

Also, fakeclaiming is usually scummy activity; it doesn't really help to fakeclaim as a townie unless you're trying to do a reaction test or something.

Or maybe during RVS when somebody goes like "hey everybody, I'm a mafia rolecop come kill me!!!!!!!!!!" as a joke.

By the way, "rolecop" is a very fun word to say. So is the word "sunspots".

Because it was reverse mafia.

What's reverse mafia?

The people who get mafia role pms are actually the uninformed miajority and town is minority.

[GeneralWu]

shwinn is a prime example of legit "TSTBS"

I don't think he's TSTBS; he's more likely SSTHIS (so scummy that he is scum).

He's trying to draw attention to himself.

Why do you think he's trying to draw attention to himself?

[GeneralWu]

The people who get mafia role pms are actually the uninformed miajority and town is minority.

Oh I see
There was one game on AoPS in which that was the case, too.

[Val89]

The people who get mafia role pms are actually the uninformed miajority and town is minority.

So, why in the world would you try and suggest something you do or did not do involving claiming, fakeclaiming, fake crumbing or whatever, in a game with a wacky setup like

that

, would have any bearing on what you do in a newbie queue game?

I don't mean to be rude, T3, but you do know newbies =/= stupid, right?

[catboi]

@catboi these posts make T3 seem towny. He's trying to scumhunt, though I don't necessarily agree with his reasons for his reads.

Three posts? The most recent of which came on page 5? I mean, the nav read doesn't even make sense, honestly, and the one on Roden is fairly shallow - making an offhand comment joking about being policy eliminated on a day 1 scumflip isn't hard for someone of either alignment to make.

[Save The Dragons]

Also, save the dragons has posted mostly only one-liners as of right now. It doesn't seem like he's joining the discussion, and that's a bit suspicious.

it's how i roll

[GeneralWu]

Did T3 fakeclaim in this game? I don't remember seeing him fakeclaim, but I might've missed it.

[Val89]

No, he didn't fake claim. He fake crumbed, like he has in fully half of previous newbie queue scum games; so that his later fake claim could have some credibility, and make the town that spot it less like to push his slot to E-1 today for fear of outting a PR.

He's only thowing stuff out there about fakeclaiming in wacky setup games and whatnot to try confuse the issue.

[GeneralWu]

Wait where did he fake crumb?

[GeneralWu]

@catboi these posts make T3 seem towny. He's trying to scumhunt, though I don't necessarily agree with his reasons for his reads.

Three posts? The most recent of which came on page 5? I mean, the nav read doesn't even make sense, honestly, and the one on Roden is fairly shallow - making an offhand comment joking about being policy eliminated on a day 1 scumflip isn't hard for someone of either alignment to make.

I agree that his reasons are bad, but I still think he's trying to help.