Newbie 2071: The Sandwich Debate - End!

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 2-3

What fillings go in a jaffle? Pretty much whatever you'd like. The ingredients can be much wetter than a regular sandwich because of the sealed edges. But any hot sandwich ingredients work in a jaffle.

Looker

(1): HockeyFan

Not Voting

(6): Looker, Clasko, T3, Lady Lambdadelta, GrandpaMo, VFP

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to eliminate.

Deadline: July 26, 1 PM US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-07-26 10:00:00)

Mod Notes:

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[GrandpaMo]

Okay, well that's gross.

We need a result from you Clasko.

Yup, there was always that risk from my POV that I would be the only town PR (50% chance) - most likely C1.

I am indeed outing as Cop, and I

did

get a result (that wasn't cows, lol, that would have been a bad moo-ve) (sorry not sorry).

I'll probably out it when there's 5 days left from deadline (16-ish hours from this post) if that's okay with everyone else - I can reveal sooner if everyone wants, but VFP's the only one who hasn't had a chance to post when we finished mass-claiming and i'd like to know his thoughts pre-result.

16 hours? Hmmm. Okay. I can see what you're going for here. I'm... a little hesitant because I'm worried you might catch as many townies in this as you would scum people, but as long as we take pre-result reads with a grain of salt and look more at inferred connections than first level reads, we're in a good spot.

Plus, 5 days it well enough time to handle this, so okay. 16 hours.

New game, folks:

Everyone but Clasko must play. Name the 2 people you think have the highest individual chance of being scum. It doesn't matter if they'd make a good team, it doesn't matter if you think one of them might be scum but it would make the other town. I'm asking you to provide the two names that, individually, if you voted for either of them today, give the best odds of fipping scum.

I'll even go first.

I think right now I'm on T3 and HockeyFan.

I already said mine, VFP and Looker.

[GrandpaMo]

I think right now I'm on T3 and HockeyFan.

Wait why T3 and Hockey?

[GrandpaMo]

hockey how do you play as scum? do you bus?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I think right now I'm on T3 and HockeyFan.

Wait why T3 and Hockey?

Because why DID Hockey just give up yesterday when he opposed my James push over his own? It would have been simple enough. And now, coming into today, something is fucking funky about T3 and Hockey's interactions.

For me, consider this

VFP is the first one to swap onto James with me. VFP knows I'll do T3 instead of james and is on T3. So if T3 is town and VFP is scum why do this? It's moderately pointless and only makes VFP look WAY worse for that sudden move. It has only one outcome, in my mind.

I thikn VFP can only reasonably be scum with T3 EXACTLY. Otherwise VFP has zero incentive to switch.

So if it's VFP and T3, my play stlll wins us the game. There are some other outcomes where T3 is scum, like possible T3 and Hockey vibes, but the big point here is that if VFP is scum, at minimum I think so is T3 and by killing T3/Hockey, we put ourselves in a winning position.

so that just leaves "What if T3 is town?"

Well, consider how Hockey played yesterday, and remember what I said about Hockey's switch. Hockey switching as scum makes a lot of sense because Hockey gets to do more or less what he wants. Come into today with several players townreading them and push mostly the same outcomes. Instant push on Looker.

So consider this: Who benefits from a VFP vs. T3 push if both are town? There's odds that Hockey was bussing T3 in a small sense, because it can be hockey and T3 together with hockey on VFP as preference right? and then switches to james

but let's assume T3 is town since that's nightmare scenario. I can't see Hockey being scum with VFP and being ON VFP in that scenario when it's 1v1 like that and VFP is losing. Too easy to find another place. I also think VFP is only scum with T3.

so if T3 is town. And VFP is town.

How does that make Hockey look?

AWFUL.

I think that if T3 and VFP are town, Hockey MUST be scum. And that if VFP is scum, so much T3 be, where as T3 could be scum without necessitating it being with VFP.

So, that brings us to our final outcome: There is a high high probability of likelyhood that one of Hockey and T3 is scum. Picking these two ensures the game goes at minimum to 3P endgame, and the likely shots will be Clasko and whoever clasko targetted with their cop check.

Which means you probably have 3 of:

VFP
GrandpaMo
Looker
Me

in that endgame.

if it's Hockey scum, T3 town: I'm looking at either you or Looker, probably Looker. Makes sense for Hockey to soft bus here and see what goes down.

If it's T3 scum, Hockey town: Ship VFP and never look back, I think.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

And obviously if it's both T3 and Hockey we have exactly 0 to worry about.

That's my logic. That's why I picked those 2.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Admittedly my scenario loses to EXACTLY VFP+Looker but I have a hard time seeing that line

I'll be able to revise once we get our cop result, but I have a sneaking suspicion I'm going to hear the words "LLD-Town" from their check based on things from yesterday which will help some of you a lot and me basically not at all, lol

[Looker]

Are we still waiting on VFP or is he still doing that ill thing?

[HockeyFan]

hockey how do you play as scum? do you bus?

Sorry cant say. but uh its pretty much I either bus hard or I hard allign. I know this is all WIFOM, but take that as u will.

I think right now I'm on T3 and HockeyFan.

Wait why T3 and Hockey?

Because why DID Hockey just give up yesterday when he opposed my James push over his own? It would have been simple enough. And now, coming into today, something is fucking funky about T3 and Hockey's interactions.

what does this mean @LLD?

[GrandpaMo]

Sorry cant say. but uh its pretty much I either bus hard or I hard allign. I know this is all WIFOM, but take that as u will.

okay then tell me why you are town then

[GrandpaMo]

Are we still waiting on VFP or is he still doing that ill thing?

don't ignore my posts that were against you; i had said something to you and i want you to address that if you will please

[fferyllt]

VFP has been prodded.

[T3]

VOTE: Looker
PoE.

[GrandpaMo]

VOTE: Looker
PoE.

can yall just wait ffs.

i ask for you to unvote, until we get more input / info either from the cop or VFP.

I also ask for you @LLD to out your result, I doubt VFP will come back and it will with another replacement and that replacement will need to reread the game.

Up to you, but I prefer outing now.

[GrandpaMo]

Looker and T3(This slot has become townier but still within my top 2 scum)

T3 is now voting with you, anything to say regarding that?...

[Lady Lambdadelta]

VOTE: Looker
PoE.

can yall just wait ffs.

i ask for you to unvote, until we get more input / info either from the cop or VFP.

I also ask for you @LLD to out your result, I doubt VFP will come back and it will with another replacement and that replacement will need to reread the game.

Up to you, but I prefer outing now.

I don't have the result. Clasko does.

[Clasko]

Up to you, but I prefer outing now.

I don't have the result. Clasko does.

I have a guilty result on T3 - he is

confirmed

Mafia.

So, now we can speculate as to who his partner is!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Oh that feels good.

I am thinking it is one or VFP or Hockey.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Here is a question: why does T3 shoot Cows?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

We should consider that to look at pairings.

[Looker]

Thank God.

[Looker]

What I was going to say was: If we're shooting on the wagon, HockeyFan; if we're shooting off the wagon, GrandpaMo.

[Looker]

And, to GrandpaMo, what I was saying was everything can be perceived differently, so it's pointless to me to advocate for some player I may not agree with using actions that ultimately led nowhere. I know it's less fun that way, but it's even less fun for me to pretend to make sense of that rabble.

[HockeyFan]

Sorry cant say. but uh its pretty much I either bus hard or I hard allign. I know this is all WIFOM, but take that as u will.

okay then tell me why you are town then

I dont push that hard on my scum partner most of d1(ik i voted VFP but still eh). Also, I dont think me tunneling u is me as mafia. I will admit some of the posts I made during the interaction were scummy but why would I continue to push u and bring more attention to myself.

Looker and T3(This slot has become townier but still within my top 2 scum)

T3 is now voting with you, anything to say regarding that?...

It doesnt change anything. LLD asked me who are the top 2 indivually scummy people(ppl i want to lim today). This does not mean they are PAIRED. Im just saying, T3 and Looker are my mafia reads and people and I want to lim(now that t3 is outed as mafia I MAY re-eval on looker, but no guarantees)

Up to you, but I prefer outing now.

I don't have the result. Clasko does.

I have a guilty result on T3 - he is

confirmed

Mafia.

Lets gooo

So, now we can speculate as to who his partner is!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The bigger concern for me Hockey is you voted VFP and James Day 1 while pushing the "one of T3/VFP is scum" narrative.

It feels a lot like you were on conveniently wrong targets when an obviously right one was sitting there in punching distance of your reads.