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[Dwlee99]

Andres find the evildoer thanks. Be Nero pt 2

[Andresvmb]

Titus I can totally see you being town here especially given the FIA WRC game that just ended I'm just like, confused kind of. And my biggest fear here is that the reason I keep getting into these mental ruts is a false assumption on my town reads.

This is the sort of thing that pings me. And it’s the kind of post you need to be super careful about. It’s I’m voting Scum, look at me, but maybe if the Town moves in a different direction, I can rely on this type of reasoning to move away and vote elsewhere. Show me where I gave Titus even a remote opening like this.

[Andresvmb]

But I mean yeah DW has made a lot of correct decisions. So of course this isn’t going to be easy. But you all that just think oh Chaos said they couldn’t understand why Titus was a wagon yesterday, should yeet - I mean, maybe it’s that easy. But someone needs to offer alternatives and try and figure out if we’re going wrong or not.

[Dwlee99]

You should look at FIA WRC that just ended where I feel like she was doing the exact same thing later in the game. We had her caught early and shouldn't have let that go but instead she made it to D4 where she was just lurking and posting random stuff and we were okay with it.

[Dwlee99]

I mean in this game we let her get away with it, there she was town with a clear on her.

[Dwlee99]

Also just to comment on people scumreading me I feel like my interactions with flipped scum are very indicative of my alignment:
1.) Titus pushed me in the Me/Peta 1v1
2.) Nero caught nom trying to push me for terrible reasons
3.) I took VFP's side in the VFP/Nom 1v1
4.) I pushed through the elimination on Osuka over Anya
5.) While scum doubted Cyrus' claim, I believed it and not only said he was definitely town, suggested policy eliminating Titus to turn Cyrus into a vigilante
6.) Killed Titus yesterday over looking to eliminate Gamma

Like what do you think of this list?

[Andresvmb]

I mean in this game we let her get away with it, there she was town with a clear on her.

We didn’t let her get away with it - she’s been executed.

[Dwlee99]

We let her live to D4 and killed Anya over her. That's as getting away with it as we can get.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm confused why scum killed t3 of all people. Like, even if the PT cop cleared the slot wouldn't killing DotW be better there?

The main reason I can conceive is scum want to keep him around to push me

[Dwlee99]

Now this is kind of crazy but if we want to we could mech-yeet Titus to make Cyrus into just a vengeful vigilante and leash his kills.

Let's not.

You don't want a vigilante? I want a vigilante.

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: Gamma
This just doesn't feel like town!gamma to me.

This vote is bothering me. You tied the wagons here.

[Dwlee99]

I unvote on the same page my guy

[Andresvmb]

VOTE: Titus
Hammer time

Nope. I was town.

Oof. Dying reads?

UNVOTE:
Well she fell for it enough to act like it was real and say she was town

And she was E-2 before T3's attempt at double voting. Also I knew t3 wanted me to do that.

This sequence is dreadful.

[Dwlee99]

I agree her response is more likely to come from scum here because she didn't do any "here are my reads" or town spew etc.

Pedit: thought he was voting Andres before unvoting?

[Andresvmb]

It looks like a planned attempt at getting people to unvote by manufacturing a hammer.

[Dwlee99]

Except I said I thought she was scummy for it.

[Andresvmb]

Except I said I thought she was scummy for it.

Only after VFP suggested it.

[Andresvmb]

She was at E-2, no real danger of a quick lim. His pivot after your post VFP looks like trying to cater to you. If you would have said it made Titus look town Dwlee would agree with that as well.

Chaos I think has it right in this post to be honest.

[Andresvmb]

Look I would nuke {Chaos, DW}. I’m never voting VFP or Kyouko or STD. And Gamma will sort itself out.

[Dwlee99]

So your 3863 unvoting her is saying likely scum reaction?

I thought that Titus was at E-1 with my vote which is why I unvoted.

There isn't a strong reason to or not to when I'm clearly okay with yeeting her today.

There isn't a strong reason to or not to when I'm clearly okay with yeeting her today.

I don't understand the wagon on Titus.

Maybe you can explain it for me then. Why is Titus a good lim today?

Nero night kill, defense of nom, pushing the "neighbors," at the beginning of the game pushing the me vs Peta TvT fight, all of the reasons Nero/Peta/Anya were pushing Titus day 1/2/3, play being uninspiring, townread on Osuka and Vax (vax may have fluctuated between null and town I think I need to check), early aligning with the "masons," there is a lot there on rereading parts of day one and two.

[Andresvmb]

DotW of course is mechanical.

[Andresvmb]

So your 3863 unvoting her is saying likely scum reaction?

I thought that Titus was at E-1 with my vote which is why I unvoted.

There isn't a strong reason to or not to when I'm clearly okay with yeeting her today.

There isn't a strong reason to or not to when I'm clearly okay with yeeting her today.

I don't understand the wagon on Titus.

Maybe you can explain it for me then. Why is Titus a good lim today?

Nero night kill, defense of nom, pushing the "neighbors," at the beginning of the game pushing the me vs Peta TvT fight, all of the reasons Nero/Peta/Anya were pushing Titus day 1/2/3, play being uninspiring, townread on Osuka and Vax (vax may have fluctuated between null and town I think I need to check), early aligning with the "masons," there is a lot there on rereading parts of day one and two.

You were answering a direct question, and in retrospect Chaos looks bad. But they were pursuing you. Distancing at that stage with Titus under pressure for two days makes sense. STD voted Titus early for example. VFP has too many interactions that don’t make sense from Scum. Hell, around ~#1,800, I called Titus Scum. I think that’s far stronger than some of the things you’re pointing to for yourself. But yeah I don’t know maybe I’m wrong and it’s just Chaos. Like I said, someone needs to play Devil’s advocate every now and then.

[Andresvmb]

I suggest we nuke amongst {Chaos, DW}, Gamma checks the other slot, and we see what happens.

[Dwlee99]

I listed 6 nice ways my interactions make no sense if I'm scum and that is the post from me you ignored.

[Andresvmb]

But honestly? I don’t think my voice is going to carry too far here so I am also happy letting {STD, VFP, Kyouko} agree on an execution and I’ll vote there.