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[petapan]

@artesia
@titanic
R.e. mena

I dont think this sort of reaction is something he purposefully ~tries~ to feel, its just how he felt in real time
I believe the emotions are genuine
however, i think its something he's *much more* likely to feel as scum because:
1. He had a very similar emotional reaction to the marci flip in tarot (i.e. we have a recent example of scum-him behaving a similar way in a similar situation)
2. I think he would be upset that the same situation happened *again* so soon after the last time

Just because he did it in tarot and it ended badly doesnt preclude him from feeling the same way again

Like if its something he could control sure i think he would try to avoid it given how thia ended last time

But like i think he was genuinely feeling upset

And idk why town-him gets *that* upset there, but i can very easily imagine scum-him feeling thay way there

And uh i drank a bit so these Thoughts make sense in my head and idk jow well i'm getting these into words if this doesnt make sense lmk and i'll try again tom

i felt like basically the exact same way on day 1 but, like, meh, he's a claimed investigative pr, he either gets NKed or has to keep giving results, if he's town executing here is -EV, if he's scum he's not going to endgame, i think leaving him alone for now is ~fine?

[petapan]

actually he might have done something towny now that i think about it, maybe

[petapan]

Votecount 1.End of day

Iconeum (7) :

Petapan - Dwlee99 - Aristeia - T3 - Titanic - ta vera - Ydrasse

Minused

Dwlee99 (2) :

Dragon Of The West - Menalque

Petapan (1) :

Iconeum

Ydrasse (1) :

Morning Tweet

Not Voting (2) :

Skitter30 - Datisi

With 13 alive, it takes 7 to minus somsone, day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-07-31 02:41:06)

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fire breather calls something kinda incriminating about Ico out first
bloodsucker feels towny today
skitter less likely to pursure a town!mena misex probably

VOTE: Menalque

this post feels...shady. like, i dunno, the reasoning here feels fast and loose

[petapan]

i do think tweet coming back and being like "idk everyone seems town" rather than trying to push anyone is kind of towny though

[petapan]

Having just finished a game with scumena he posts waaaay shorter posts than townmena.

I think this is town-t3?

why

[petapan]

Mena has a different tone to Dead Silence but in terms of postcount, rate, and original thought almost everything matches up. I played with Mena in Aliensitter and I might be wrong but I remember him walling.

VOTE: mena

this is gross

[petapan]

if aristeia is actually pooky then they're locktown

[petapan]

i'm frustrated about ydrasse. has she ever done anything like this?

[redacted]

[petapan]

i like dotw on page 23

[petapan]

Skitter why do you town read me.

i liked your tone when you were joking around claims in rvs + your ico vote was good

This is weird though because I feel like I was townier last time we played and hard pushed a scum elimination through and you still scumread me.

sup

do you have, like, thoughts on the game today? where are your reads at

[Dwlee99]

My head is literally empty.

[petapan]

well all right then

[Dwlee99]

I killed scum and didn't catch one last night now what should I do?

[Menalque]

i don't think the "i wouldn't have played it this badly" from mena holds much water because, like, past a certain point bussing brings diminishing returns so you might as well go the hard opposite way and hope people level themselves into not voting you

Cool but can you remember how deeply fucking wrong you were next time we’re playing together and you make this argument

[Menalque]

are you talking about forest fire? cuz otherwise idk what you're referring to >.>

mena your day1 ~being mad~ is literally exactly what i expect from scum-you with a partner getting caught within a couple horus of the day after your reaction in tarot
like if you were to ask me before this game how i think scum-you would have reacted in such a scenario how you played day1 describes it to a T

I think if you think about how I phrased my answer compared to how I normally talk it should be fairly obvious what I’m talking about

And I mean I think you’re to some degree comparing apples to oranges here and I find it weird bc you know exactly why I was so *particularly* annoyed in that game, and it was significantly to do with marci being new and to do with how incredibly fucking obnoxious cabd was. Here I think I’d be irritated with ico if I’d been his scumbuddy but I think you’re reaching if your argument is that I would decide best play is to (1) hop off the wagon (2) get into a fight with a datisi that I knew was confirmed town pushing my buddy and say that his takes were so fucking awful that he had to be scum (still annoyed with the fact he decided to roleblock me like again, what the shit datisi, even if I were scum there’s no way I was ever making the kill last night jfc) and (3) to get really fucking angry in main thread when everyone knows it’s NAI for me depending on what’s happening and it wasn’t like it was instrumental or helpful at all, plus if anything it probably made life harder for me here than if I’d just raged in scum pt and hardbussed

[Menalque]

Not sure if that’s literally everything but I’m trying to stay concise

[Menalque]

I want to say skitter is hard scum for her take on me but the fact that dats was apparently also oblivious enough to think I was ever playing around icon scum like that means I guess I have to give her a pass

[Menalque]

Or at least like, not lock her in as being scum for the lack of nuance in her take

[Menalque]

if the same thing happened again like a week later this is basically exaclty what i think his reaction would look like.

I mean, skitt
Yes, obviously I would

But do you not see why I was annoyed about aristeia? Really? Like do you in particular not see that given that again, I think you understand me on a mafia level more than anyone here?

i mean like yes i can see why you would be a bit annoyed but the ~over the top ness~ is literally prototypical scum-you in that situation so like

Why do you think me being over the top is a scum aspect for me? You’ve seen me be over the top and angry as town plenty of times

Remember, I’ve only ever been banned once for toxicity and that was a towngame and nearly all the games I received warnings for were towngames

The fact that I get angry as scum TOO is why it’s NAI, but it’s definitely not more indicative of scum!me?

[Menalque]

no, i was thinking that he might be upset about scum not trying because iconeum isn't trying here.

no i think he was less upset about how ico was playing and more upset about how got caught again if that makes sense

Right, but in what world is my response to go “well my buddy is sunk might as well make myself look awful too”

[Menalque]

you "kinda" liked me? i help put the dragon on ice and you KINDA like me?

I mean it almost certainly doesn’t help bc it’s me saying it in this position but I had you as locktown from the overnight reread so

Yes, I think skitt trying to position to mislim me (especially when scum probably have guessed which role I have, I’m hoping there are multiple possible things that might be able to guilty since they’re not sure how strong mine is) when scum would definitely want to get rid of town PR me even more than they’d just want to mislim me in general as a viable target makes me think that skitt here is scummy

[Morning Tweet]

What do you think you would have done in response to this same bs happening to a partner again? I am not terribly familiar with what happened in Tarot (I skimmed as it was played), but I am guessing you would probably try to save Ico, no? You're a strong scumplayer and you already know what happens from last time if the same thing happens again

Also what's the PR soft/claim/whatever from u if I may ask Mena

[Morning Tweet]

I think theres some merit to "Why would I make myself look extremely bad, I've already done this once" -- but in your shoes I'd probably have been too annoyed to play exactly optimally so I'm unsure if that applies

[Menalque]

artesia (sp?) i got bad vibes from too

What do you mean?

I also find this a bizarre take to have alongside calling me scum

[Menalque]

What do you think you would have done in response to this same bs happening to a partner again? I am not terribly familiar with what happened in Tarot (I skimmed as it was played), but I am guessing you would probably try to save Ico, no? You're a strong scumplayer and you already know what happens from last time if the same thing happens again

Also what's the PR soft/claim/whatever from u if I may ask Mena

No, i absolutely wouldn’t when Ico was that fucked and he’s experienced enough to know better and not count on a save attempt

I would’ve been annoyed because I generally try to preserve buddies on D1 even if they’re bad to then kill them on D2, but I think ico was doomed enough here that I would’ve left my vote on, agreed with the case, and then advocated for PoEing everyone not on wagon

PR claim is “a role that can hard guilty” but I’m holding back how effectively it can do so