Open 821 | Fall With Your Friends | Endgame

[Dannflor]

ah, I meant in the sense, it made me go “huh” and reread the game with a more open mind wrt murder

I don’t think your specific reasoning actually holds much water

Which I realize is contradictory in a way but whatever

[humaneatingmonkey]

Huh thats your solid murdercat read? That hes updating his solve inthread?

[Dannflor]

I think there’s an enigmatic genuine tone meta aspect to it too

But that alone for a read assumes murdercat is a bad player

[Infinity 324]

It's more than that but I'm not sure if I can express what more to it there is.

Besides like

He has a solving energy this game that I haven't seen from scum!him and have seen quite a few times from town!him

PEdit: hmm I don't think you need to be a bad player to not be able to replicate solving energy from your town play.

[Dannflor]

well “solving energy” is quite vague so I won’t argue with you there

I do think people need to be able to replicate basic aspects of their town meta to be considered good players though

[humaneatingmonkey]

Wow and thats enough for you to locktown him

[humaneatingmonkey]

I wish I can trust in myself the way Infinity trusts in herself to trust Murdercat with that little read

[Prism]

I am restraining myself from being a more forceful or aggressive advocate right now and it better pay off.

if on account of me there is no need, past on me much moreso than you

have i made the game easier?

It was more about Infinity/HEM/Murder.

I have no issues with your play or past. The game has not gotten easier yet but it has only been a few hours.

[Infinity 324]

Wow and thats enough for you to locktown him

Yeah, replicating it would require getting into a towny mindset pretty deeply and in a short timeframe, and I don't think murder has the capacity to do that.

[Prism]

While I appreciate that Infinity's read on Murder has gotten somewhat believable I would still vote her or catboi out if this were a traditional game.

[Prism]

inutile, who would you want to trust at this juncture if you had to? Or would you want to be one of the people leftover?

[humaneatingmonkey]

Catboi? Whats wrong with Catboi?

[Prism]

I'm out right now but there are extensive parts of my ISO about not liking his read on me.

[Prism]

One of those posts being in direct response to a question from you, by the way.

[catboi]

this is lazy

I'm not calling you scum but this is a bad way to play mafia I think

In this particular setup I am pretty confident that it makes sense to have questionable but leantown players pair up at some point. I'm not sure whether it makes more sense to do it early or later, but I do think it's advantageous.

Purely theory based digression, but I actually quite disagree with this - I think day 2 is a critical inflection point after an initial successful t/t pair - whichever side "wins" today gets one step away from fulfilling its win condition. A day 3 where town is winning places a unique set of pressures on scum - they can no longer afford to play passively, if they don't get paired they lose. You can see scum in the last run of this were forced into making desperation plays on day 3 that didn't pay off. I think that even in the event that town misses once in that scenario, their chances of winning are still good because you can analyze who was trying to advance a scum win condition. Meanwhile, in the other scenario, town has to play minesweeper, slowly clearing players one by one, and one impulsive move by anyone can lose the game. In that situation scum sits back and waits for town to misplay, and it becomes harder to tell people apart. So getting today right is fairly important.

[Prism]

I also vehemently disagreed with that. With this theory in mind, who would you like to see paired, and who do you need more from?

[inutile]

inutile, who would you want to trust at this juncture if you had to? Or would you want to be one of the people leftover?

you probably but as much for utility as confidence in you being town; the being leftover thing feels like posturing more than anything,

[Prism]

? When you say utility, can you be more specific?

Sorry to be playing 20Q

[inutile]

If you have a good reason why you really want to pair with me then I'd only refuse if I really believed murder would not fall with anyone else.

i mean, i have good reason if you are town,

pedit: like the + from you being town if so would swing it to you but it's not as though i have actually done so here

also, 20 questions probably good here

[inutile]

i mean, i have good reason if you are town,

also, dunno if + or - that you brought into line with what i pointed out before

[humaneatingmonkey]

One of those posts being in direct response to a question from you, by the way.

Sorry Prism, I'll pay more attention next time.

[Infinity 324]

i mean, i have good reason if you are town

What's the reason?

[inutile]

i mean, i have good reason if you are town

What's the reason?

i am town?

[catboi]

I also vehemently disagreed with that. With this theory in mind, who would you like to see paired, and who do you need more from?

At this point in time I want more from everyone, even in the event we're wrong on a pair I want something to be able to read off of. So I'm not going to be talking about pairs much just yet.

Feel free to call this a cop-out answer~

[catboi]

re: infinity, the one thing she's said that's put me on edge was this:

Murder if you want we could abandon the whole endgaming thing and trust fall right now

I'm half joking

which has a bit of the feeling of "aha ha, just kidding...unless?" of possibly trying to provoke a yolo-leave. Other than that, I don't have a

problem

with her although I feel as the game has progressed she hasn't been as towny as others. But then I remember her getting stitched up for not hitting an arbitrary bar of towniness in Guardians and my team taking advantage of that, so I'm...cautious? I don't have a good conclusion to write here. Not a strong townread, I guess is what I should be saying.