Silent Star 4: Yin and Yang

[Morning Tweet]

dammit

[Chara]

if we lose because i don't get sentenced over like scum Flea because i had one good scumgame in my life i will not know what to do actually. lmao

[pj harvey dent]

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Votecount 4.12

[3] Morning Tweet:

Chara, clidd, Ydrasse

[1] Tanner:

Morning Tweet

[4] Not Voting:

PookyTheMagicalBear, Tanner, Amy Dunne, Flea The Magician

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to sentence. If there is no majority by the deadline, plurality will decide.

The deadline is in (expired on 2021-07-25 12:06:58).

Joint moderator ISO.

[Morning Tweet]

i dont think I have enough conviction that it's Chara tbh to make a judgement call for it

I do think there's scum in clidd/Flea/Chara every time, probably two. If it is really one.... well.... you'll have the benefit of knowing whoever the partner that fooled me is..

also: i feel pretty ill right now so my brain is shut off but i have more reasons to think that flea could be town than i do robert. i'm willing to give nakata some time but he's quickly falling into the same pattern for me as robert: not around a lot, feels like he's around a bit more when he's talked about? he's at least done some solving. not sure if infinity's voting on nakata clears him necessarily but robertvote is goodvote

VOTE: robert

Ydrasse opens the door for Nakata possibly being cleared by interactions with Infy.

infinity re nakata

Spoiler:

VOTE: nakata I like this

I agree, nakata's theory seems like he just tried to come up with a justification for TRing ydrasse and SRing the others on his wagon and it at least doesn't seem thought through.

Ok but can we elim nakata? The whole interaction with Amy looked like he wanted to maintain his scumread without having to argue about it. I do feel like Amy was overreacting to his scumread, and I understand why he wanted to avoid that argument, but I'd expect town who believed in their read to at least push on it, or like give reasons, or something.

-Nakata said that the people on his wagon were trying to get ydrasse to look bad after he flipped town, that seems like something scum would never do and seems made up

-Nakata's SR on amy had like no reasoning and it felt like he was trying to appease amy in their interactions which he wouldn't do as town

PEdit: I don't know, maybe he thought I was limbait anyway

Nakata is saying that Amy Dunne is telling a lie by saying that Nakata was hardpushing Robert M Hunter when Nakata has done no such thing!

Nakata would appreciate Amy Dunne not taking personal insult, Nakata has no problems with anyone in this playerlist, Nakata simply thinks that Amy Dunne is scum. Nakata doesn't know what Amy Dunne is expecting him to say when she says "tell me why I'm wrong on you". Nakata has already told you that he is town!

Nakata does not believe Amy Dunne. Nakata thinks that if Amy Dunne is scum, that's exactly what she'd say, and that her attempts to push Nakata while not being accurate in her depiction of what Nakata has done this game show that her primary interest is in limming him and not sorting him, whereas if she were town Nakata thinks she'd be more interested in the sorting part.

@amy He's spending more time talking about how you shouldn't be upset that he's scumreading you and saying that he scumreads you rather than explaining his actual reasoning. The reasoning itself has a lot to do with you saying he was hardpushing Robert instead of just pushing Robert. It's all very fake.

Nakata does not understand getting upset with someone because they may be misreading you. If Amy Dunne is a friend and Nakata is wrong, then Nakata is not upset with Amy Dunne for misreading him. Nakata wishes Amy Dunne all the best. However, Nakata does not believe Amy Dunne to be town and does not think asserting that she is town is enough reason to believe this, especially given that Nakata knows she is pushing someone who Nakata does know is town.

Infinity, how do you get “appeasement” from this?

He's not trying to push you, he's just repeating that he scumreads you and saying that you shouldn't get upset over it.

We should lim nakata

VOTE: nakata

Ircher is confusing, nakata is scummy

infinity only votes nakata when he's beginning to receive votes from amy and clidd. it's actually the first time that infinity mentions nakata at all and then spends a good amount of time fixating on him. idk if that means that infinity was trying to distance from nakata for towncred or to try and protect top wagon at the time (robert, on 3 and then chara on 2). it feels like infinity put like, all her effort into this one read so like, can someone smarter figure out what was going on here.

nakata actually doing stuff would make this a lot easier to solve him i think but we don't always get what we want i guess

She starts off D2 by asking other people to decide if Infy/Nakata is SvT or SvS

Does that seem like openwolfing trying to kill infy and nakata to u?

Now she also makes it clear that Robert and Flea are her biggest preferences, as well. Especially Robert -- this is not Ydrasse open wolfing with perfect reads. I think it seems that way since so much scum was scummy D1 + Ydrasse townread Ircher, but i dont think it's the case

Spoiler:

Why didn't you shoot last night?

My reads weren't solid enough. I didn't see what the rest of you saw with Infinity.

I wanted to shoot Tanner just so I don't have to read another post of his. Every single post is him harping at me being scum and how the entire game can be solved by killing me.

Well I have bad news, I'm town. But I understand if everyone else wants to hang me, I am a terrible player, and when I'm gone, Tanner will gloat that I had it coming and at least you'll hear him talk about other stuff.

this post is cringe espsecially the last part

i genuinely do not think you are a terrible player nor should you think about yourself like that if you are actually but like this is some gross ate

you do realize that tanner is (1) person in this town right

He's one relentless person. Every time I log on, I come across his dumb conspiracies, eyeroll and force myself to post :D

okay well then why didn't you just... shoot him. that's what i don't get

if he's THAT bad to you, you are voting him, you want him dead, you had that power and just... didn't?

like if you're town you sitting there should go "huh, this person is pushing me a lot and they're wrong, they seem like a good shot"

idk if that's just how i would play it but it makes a lot more sense than holding a shot when you're suspected

i genuinely do not think you are a terrible player

Get outta a'here... I'm the worst player in every game I've played.

How am I not a terrible player?

:/

i don't feel like hashing out like, a pick-me-up atm but i don't think anyone is a "terrible player" but you aren't engaging with us in like... a helpful way?

no. lol.

there is no reason to let this live

like genuinely just

we're not obligated to keep a pr claim alive when it's been scummy for a long time

i know you had some gut read on him mt but at this point what has he done to justify being kept alive other than his claim?

it's not ~conf scum~ like, i know 1000000%

but he claimed it when people were talking about intent to hammer and claimed it knowing that THIS is the claim that gets another day for him more than like, idk, a watcher or something

and then his reaction after was bad

theorizing at length about someone who claimed to be a 1-shot vig in a silent star game of all games after being ran up and being like “no no, we can LEASH THEM don’t worry teehee let’s let them go today” is fucking stupid and i regret waking up and reading any of this. it is equally stupid to even speculate that i’m scum or be wary of me for going after this so dogmatically because it would implicate that i am willing to throw away any towncred i would have gotten thus far and risk my own life on being shot if i did not succeed.

Okay, then talk to me about your townreads. You said you were town reading Amy yesterday? Why? Has you read changed since you posted that? (1228)

The only one in that list that I am reconsidering is Pooky. A lot of his posts are hands off and ingratiating himself to other players. Nothing wrong with the latter, but the combination with the former gives me pause.

Thaaaats Pooky!! I don't think your evaluation of him is unfair, but I can tell you that is fairly typical of his play.

He could be scum in theory, but Pooky uuuuusuually has a bit more of a gameplan as scum. I think that day one was probably beatable for scum had they tried a little more potentially. Eh, maybe Infy was screwed. Either way I don't think Pooky really did much to stop it or shake anything up. And granted, he can just goof off as scum so im not 100%, but i think he's more likely town so far.

You're so certain of a scumread that you're willing to shoot now -- but you couldnt get that certain yesterday?

That's right. Since I started on play on this site, I can't shake off my scummy aura, which means that I'm usually under attack.

In a weird way, it's become that I seem to only get reads when players attack me because I can judge their agenda better.

Like, I'm not sure that Tanner is scum, he is attacking me nonstop but he could also leave me around as limbait if he were scum, it would be a good strategy.

Ydrasse is a different story, Ydrasse fears my vig shot.

You see, it's virtually impossible to read players solely off their interactions with your slot personally. In fact, i think that's probably one of the least accurate ways since your own reaction to them is gonna be cloudy. Judging people by how they push you is just going to be... shaky at best.

For what it's worth I disagree with Ydrasse that your claim/reaction suggests extremely obvious scum]. I can easily conceive this being your town play, even though it's unorthodox nightplay-wise and kinda scummy in appearance.

It seems like it's going to be a massive pain getting a different wagon going especially considering you still might be scum...

and as long as you're dead set on shooting Ydrasse, i dont think anyone's going to reconsider you. I imagine it comes across as fake to some. Are you willing to shoot elsewhere from Ydrasse and if so where? I would kinda prefer a few others.

you do realize that tanner is (1) person in this town right

He's one relentless person. Every time I log on, I come across his dumb conspiracies, eyeroll and force myself to post :D

okay well then why didn't you just... shoot him. that's what i don't get

if he's THAT bad to you, you are voting him, you want him dead, you had that power and just... didn't?

like if you're town you sitting there should go "huh, this person is pushing me a lot and they're wrong, they seem like a good shot"

idk if that's just how i would play it but it makes a lot more sense than holding a shot when you're suspected

I really don't buy that town!Robert shoots Tanner. I buy you doing it in his shoes, but i don't really see him doing it so much, ya know?

Doesn't make him town yet though cause could buy it from scum too

I can kind of buy town!Robert doing this despite being suboptimal, but I'm not sure that outweighs the likelihood of scum!Robert using the claim to buy time.

in team mafia my partner was being pushed and claimed like, n-1 vig when ran up so this is like "okay lol"

it's the perfect claim to buy yourself more time as mafia because like, in theory it's provable but i feel like 9/10 times it's going to come from mafia trying to eek themselves out of the elim and go for town

OK, now I know you're scum,

first you lie by saying I'm not a terrible player

and now you're hot under the collar because there's nothing scum hates more than a vig. Except maybe a tracker.

Do you actually think someone calling you not a terrible player is a scumtell? How is that even a lie, that's a subjective opinion

The real point I'm making is that Ydrasse is scum because she wants the vig dead.

Well that's at least more believable. Naturally, scum will push for you to be eliminated if you are not a part of their faction here. I too am a bit wary of this, especially considering there is seemingly no reason to not just tell you who to shoot and have you confirmed town on the next day.

I'm a bit skeptical that Robert is scum who thought of hyper-fixating on Ydrasse as a performative AtE kinda thing... you might call it ridiculous but i can see the rationale there.

maybe a good way to talk about robert's play rn is that it feels like a lot of bravado to try and like, re-affirm he really is the vig and i WILL be sniped from 1000 yards tonight no doubts

That too is also fair though, reaffirming that you're vig over and over again is unecessary. I understand exactly why you think it sounds fake

I actually kinda think he's doing it because it plays into how he scumreads you though. He finds your reaction scummy, soo I think he's doing it because lashing out at the ppl pushing him is how he makes reads....... maybe? Am I overthinking? It does come off that way to me. Rather than reaffirming he's vig, I think he's just reaffirming he wants to kill you. Which i get is similar but maybe it's to get a reaction out of you, ey?

i believe its possible that robert is a one shot vig but i don't really want him to shoot datisi or ydra so im fine with yeeting him

This was my snap reaction i had earlier. A fair enough take. Tricky though because this is obviously what i'd react with as scum too

I wasn't the most suspected, I had three votes at the most.

I did not want to hit a townie, is that hard to understand? My handle of the game was too nebulous for me to kill the right player, I'm not going to kill a townie to clear myself, that's counter productive and helps no one. Though I can see why scum-you would want me to do that.

But I'll shoot you tonight and hit scum.

To be honest, in your shoes, I'd be worried about the backlash i'd get from the rest of the game after shooting a townie. I also think it's likely you weren't thinking much about how the shot proves you, and rather how it needs to hit scum... so I can see it

i believe its possible that robert is a one shot vig but i don't really want him to shoot datisi or ydra so im fine with yeeting him

I thought I should use my power on anyone just to prove myself?

You should use your power on the agreed-upon most scummy player by the end of today

....(other than you). That way, everyone's happy! Except scum hopefully

like idk how else to tell you this without being extremely rude but you're sitting here doing everything you can to try and justify robert living and being town and going at the end with the implication that we will all back off and everything will be easy peasy and i don't know why. either you have some gutread that you're grasping at straws to justify or you're like scum with robert and trying to keep the elim off of him for another day and then when tomorrow comes and i am presumably not dead (unless it's from the scumkill! lol!) you're going to be like :c oh uwu sorry guys i really messed up believing him >_< and everyone will be like aw it's okay we all did it too.

and that's why it's so infuriating to see people go "no we can LEASH HIM" instead of killing a scummy person with a scummy claim in a series of games that historically haven't had prs in the last two iterations.

here's a sampling of posts Ydrasse makes about Robert that strongly suggest she isn't informed he is scum and that she doesn't want him to live

[Chara]

yeah i really don't think it's Ydrasse.

[Chara]

that's 4, Tweetie/Tanner/Ydrasse/Pooky, 5 with Robert. done. side note i finally cut my nails and now typing on my phone feels nice again. i forget every single time.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

She starts off D2 by asking other people to decide if Infy/Nakata is SvT or SvS

Does that seem like openwolfing trying to kill infy and nakata to u?

I don't think she can do d1 infy/ d2 nakata and then setup gets revealed and survive that? it'd be too openwolfy even for her to get away with, I think the order of the eliminations matter in terms how the scum team was thinking about this game. During Day 1 they were more scared of ircher being eliminated because it puts town at 4-4 to them and possibly we get ahead to 3-4. Once they are halfway to the midpoint reveal, they feel "ahead" and ok to give us something so now the priority feels like getting towncred?


What I didn't like about her day 1 progression from Nakata -> Infy is that she couldn't come up with a "reason" for wanting Naka dead when Datisi asked her for her case, "my cats ate it" and then when the opportunity came to flip, she flipped from Naka to Infy and claimed she never really had a good reason for wanting Naka dead.


I'll re-read the D2/D3 stuff tonight

Thanks Tweetie <3

[Amy Dunne]

yeah i really don't think it's Ydrasse.

+1

Pooky isn’t great at reading her. She just doesn’t post like this in any scumgame I’ve ever played with her. She just isn’t good at faking these things. I know some people think she is because they don’t know how to tell the difference. As town, she has this extreme conviction in everything she posts, when scum it’s clear she doesn’t actually believe what she’s saying.

[Amy Dunne]

She starts off D2 by asking other people to decide if Infy/Nakata is SvT or SvS

Does that seem like openwolfing trying to kill infy and nakata to u?

I don't think she can do d1 infy/ d2 nakata and then setup gets revealed and survive that? it'd be too openwolfy even for her to get away with, I think the order of the eliminations matter in terms how the scum team was thinking about this game. During Day 1 they were more scared of ircher being eliminated because it puts town at 4-4 to them and possibly we get ahead to 3-4. Once they are halfway to the midpoint reveal, they feel "ahead" and ok to give us something so now the priority feels like getting towncred?


What I didn't like about her day 1 progression from Nakata -> Infy is that she couldn't come up with a "reason" for wanting Naka dead when Datisi asked her for her case, "my cats ate it" and then when the opportunity came to flip, she flipped from Naka to Infy and claimed she never really had a good reason for wanting Naka dead.


I'll re-read the D2/D3 stuff tonight

Thanks Tweetie <3

When has she ever done anything like that as scum though? She will always come up with a reason, it will just be a scummy one. She’s probably telling the truth about that.

[Morning Tweet]

ydrasse ive also kinda had a lot of moments where i agree with her / feel the same thing at the same time

same thing with Tanner

i would be kinda crushed

[Amy Dunne]

But like I said, once she feels okay, her alignment will be extremely obvious.

[Morning Tweet]

Thanks Tweetie <3

<3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think maybe I've just had so many recent games with S!Ydra that I might have residual trauma :<

[Morning Tweet]

i'm ready to go whenever ^ω^ ♡

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: Tweetie

E-1

Self-hammer when ready then.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

thanks tweet <3

*flops ears*

VOTE: Tweetie

[Morning Tweet]

^ω^)ノ

[Amy Dunne]

^ω^)ノ

I’ll miss you. <3

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

^ω^)ノ

☆ ～('▽^人)

[Hectic]

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Votecount 4.13

(FINAL)

[5] Morning Tweet:

Chara, clidd, Ydrasse, Amy Dunne, PookyTheMagicalBear

HAMMER

[1] Tanner:

Morning Tweet

[2] Not Voting:

Tanner, Flea The Magician

With 8 alive, it took 5 to sentence.

The deadline was (expired on 2021-07-25 12:06:58).

Joint moderator ISO.

[Hectic]

The villagers give each other solemn looks as they push Morning Tweet forward into the clutches of the Mayor.

Excellent work as always. A fine criminal indeed.

Morning Tweet was a...

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

[Hectic]

The night phase ends in (expired on 2021-07-25 10:56:18).

[pj harvey dent]

As the sun rises, Yin and Yang can be seen whispering to one another. Before long they are pointing towards PookyTheMagicalBear.

PookyTheMagicalBear is now masons with Yang and Amy Dunne. PookyTheMagicalBear is confirmed to be town and can no longer be sentenced.

[pj harvey dent]

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Votecount 5.0

[7] Not Voting:

Amy Dunne, Ydrasse, Flea The Magician, PookyTheMagicalBear, clidd, Tanner, Chara

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to sentence. If there is no majority by the deadline, plurality will decide.

The deadline is in (expired on 2021-08-01 12:00:12).

Joint moderator ISO.

[Tanner]

i figured it was odd to have a mason pt with just a player and an npc, and there we go. if only i could solve the game as well as i'm apparently able to guess the setup.