Newbie 2074 | Game Over

[Nahdia]

Vote Count 1.02

Now playing... The Mountain Goats

Salsabil Faria (2):

JamesTheNames,

Dannflor

, StrangeMatter

Val89 (2):

cowsloveSushirolls

, Dannflor, Ythan

JamesTheNames (1):

JamesTheNames

, Salsabil Faria

Ythan (1):

Leaven

cowsloveSushirolls (1):

ClarkBar

ClarkBar (1):

JamesTheNames

, Val89

Dannflor (0):

StrangeMatter

StrangeMatter (0):

Salsabil Faria

Not Voting (1):

Salsabil Faria

,

Val89

,

cowsloveSushirolls

,

Dannflor

,

Ythan

, cowsloveSushirolls

Deadline is in

(expired on 2021-08-01 09:30:00)

, at which point we will default to no elimination.

With nine players alive, it takes

five

to reach majority.

Note:

Happy Friday!

[Ythan]

Funky VCs! Excited to see what they look like by the end of the day.

[cowsloveSushirolls]

james is totally marinating me by making funny cow puns and soft defenses. not on my watch! i am not to be eaten
VOTE: JamesTheNames
if you guys want an awesome towncore already i suggest me-val-salsa-leaven-dann. condemn the scraps in no particular order, smile

[Salsabil Faria]

Just going to get the backlash to the comment out the way:
UNVOTE: ClarkBar
VOTE: JamesTheNames

UNVOTE: StrangeMatter

VOTE: JamesTheNames

I'd like you to say more about the topic other than just showing "this is a really bad move, and this is the reason I'm going to vote him."

Oki...
this is a really bad move, and this is the reason I'm going to vote him

[Salsabil Faria]

VOTE: SalsabilFaria

VOTE: SalsabilFaria

This is sus. My vote has been copied.

I replaced into a game in your slot, 2064 like 2 months ago. It was fun. We won.

Oh yeah, totally forget about the game... I had final exam that time, good to know that town won I'm gonna read that game later.

[Salsabil Faria]

Hello all,

Happy to have been able to slip into another Nahdia newbie game. I do like these games particularly because they attract a certain type of player. I've yet to venture outside the newbie queue, so I am not sure if this happens in other queues, but I've found if I go back and look very carefully at the players who eventually flip mafia, I have found they leave a very subtle clue in their very early posts that they have in fact rolled scum. I'm not sure of the psychology myself, but I guess it's a kind of taunt, perhaps? A sort of "look at me, I'm so smart I can TELL you I'm scum and you still can't catch me", maybe?

In any case, I've started the habit of looking very closely at the early posts in my newbie games, seeing if I can pick up one; and guess what? I think I have one in this game. Let me present:

vanilla with a little caramel is my go to

This pinged me straight away. Like, what? If you are adding caramel to something, it's no longer vanilla, is it? Then I remembered - a long time ago my uncle taught me how to solve the cryptic crossword, of the variety you might find in the The Times or other UK broadsheets. This reads a little bit like one of those - "go to" being an anagram indicator, maybe? It's not standard, and I don't recall seeing a clue with that exact one, but I guess if you are in a rush and you have to make the surface spot on in order to make it fit the exact RQS question that has been offered to you you might have to be a bit loose with the construction. "With a little x", however, is absolutely standard. Seen it loads of times. You take a 'little' of the word X, ie: not the complete word, and add it to your anagram fodder, in this case: 'vanilla'. Let's do that, and let us see if we get a solution: (vanillacara)* =

Aaran Cavill

. First attempt. Easy.

Now, for any of you that didn't follow Second division English football around the turn of the millenium (although I doubt there are many in this player list that wouldn't recognise at least a few of the big name stars, like Mr Cavill), he was a midfielder for Northampton Town FC around 2001 to 2004ish. Can you guess what colour home strip Northampton Town play in? You are probably way ahead of me even if you aren't a fan of Association Football - it's Red, of course. ClarkBar is mafia.

Think about it. Think of all the coincidences that would have to align for that to be a simple accident. The construction is weird. It happens to be an almost perfect fit for a cryptic crossword clue. Solving it brings up a single unique solution that very neatly ties it to a red role PM? Could I be talking out my arse? I think that's highly unlikely. I think ClarkBar must have done that deliberately, and I'm only sorry I spoiled it this early. I do want to take a moment to express my respect for the cleverness of the construction there, Clark, and I almost feel guilty for voting you because of it.

Almost.

VOTE: ClarkBar

I also want to point out that it's been a good 40 minutes since Nahdia announced I was replacing into this game, and me and JamesTheNames still haven't death-tunneled each other in all that time. I think that has to be regarded with suspicion also, but clearly ClarkBar is obviously the lim for today, and we can look at James tomorrow if he still isn't convinced I am scum by then.

I'm impressed! gonna sheep you for one rl day

UNVOTE: James

VOTE: Clark

[Salsabil Faria]

Why?

a player with that level of verbosity and apparent dedication to analysis can spare a few words to at least attempt to get some sort of conversation going on a useful game level

In this case, the amount of words read to me as a nervous cover for rolling scum

Lol! His entrance doesn’t seem a nervous scum will do, it puts attention towards him not the other way around.

[Salsabil Faria]

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

this vote is built on really shaky grounds, how serious is it?

More or less is here to make them talk, so somewhat serious but not really. See post #41 please.

I live in different time zone from most of you, have a job, also a student... My activity depends on rl stuffs.

[Salsabil Faria]

james is totally marinating me by making funny cow puns and soft defenses. not on my watch! i am not to be eaten
VOTE: JamesTheNames
if you guys want an awesome towncore already i suggest me-val-salsa-leaven-dann. condemn the scraps in no particular order, smile

be my buddy

[Ythan]

Hi Sal I'm awake how's it going?

[cowsloveSushirolls]

snip

Idk your time zone but happy birthday to ur mom.

thanks for keeping my mom in mind. i have 4 minutes to relay the good vibes
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Why?

a player with that level of verbosity and apparent dedication to analysis can spare a few words to at least attempt to get some sort of conversation going on a useful game level

In this case, the amount of words read to me as a nervous cover for rolling scum

in newbie 2068, they did nearly the same thing as here for their opening posts, and so it read out to me as a deliberate attempt to keep their posting habits uniform, which val admits a part of
are you able to look back to that game and point out differences that imply that val is doing this as scum this time around?

[Val89]

in newbie 2068, they did nearly the same thing as here for their opening posts, and so it read out to me as a deliberate attempt to keep their posting habits uniform, which val admits a part of
are you able to look back to that game and point out differences that imply that val is doing this as scum this time around?

Sushi, we are dealing with a 2012 player with a 3 pages previous post list. You don't think they didnt go back and look how I usually open my games already?

Give them a bit longer to talk themselves into trouble before giving them a way to back out, would you?

[Ythan]

I'm from 09 and I don't read meta.

[Val89]

As an aside, my eldest daughter has a nickname that I shorten to 'sushi', so calling you that might have been force of habbit.

If you prefer another diminutive, let me know...

[Val89]

I'm from 09 and I don't read meta.

Even when you have a "What the fuck is that?" reaction to an opening post, and think something might be clearly and opening scummy from post 1; especially when someone else comes alongs and says something like "I'm your biggest fan!", you don't feel the need to quickly check it out?

In any case, it's so obviously hokum that I think there might be a town explanation for it. Perhaps Dannflor really wanted to vote my slot regardless of what I actually posted, and wanted some at least sort-of serious sounding justification so people would pay attention to it. I can certainly think of a reason someone would want to do that on my slot in particular, but a 2012 player would also know it wouldn't exactly be in the spirit of the rules to give it as the genuine reason for the vote.

He is either scum, or a naughty town who deserves a spanking. Since he is also a Queen's Gambit player, I am inclined to give the benefit of the doubt and say the latter for now, but my eyes are now peeled with respect to that slot.

[Ythan]

Nah when people make scummy posts I just vote them I don't go read additional games first.

[Val89]

You also think the post was scummy?

[Ythan]

No I'm sheeping Dann this occurred all of twenty posts ago.

[Val89]

So, to clarify, you are simply acting as the spokesperson for another slot, postulating reasons why something scummy another a player has done might not actually be scummy, while simultaneously sheeping their vote onto a slot you don't actually think is scummy?

Do you still have room in that pocket for someone else?

[Ythan]

Lol vote go

Val89 (2):

[cowsloveSushirolls]

As an aside, my eldest daughter has a nickname that I shorten to 'sushi', so calling you that might have been force of habbit.

If you prefer another diminutive, let me know...

"sushi" is fine, im ok with that
there isnt a shortened version of my username that i hate yet

in newbie 2068, they did nearly the same thing as here for their opening posts, and so it read out to me as a deliberate attempt to keep their posting habits uniform, which val admits a part of
are you able to look back to that game and point out differences that imply that val is doing this as scum this time around?

Sushi, we are dealing with a 2012 player with a 3 pages previous post list. You don't think they didnt go back and look how I usually open my games already?

Give them a bit longer to talk themselves into trouble before giving them a way to back out, would you?

sorry, 3 pages previous post list? i'm not too bright
i honestly dont believe they did any of that. because of this I thought that by doing half the work of the meta skim I can prevent unnecessary conflict that could lead to something a lot worse (misinformed tunnels)
while the chance to catch scum is there I believe town would fall into this sort of thing more often so this is where I intervene. i don't put a lot of weight into join dates because bleh, holding a person to higher standards just because of when they found the site seems like a good way to make biased reads

[JamesTheNames]

I'm a VT.

[Val89]

sorry, 3 pages previous post list? i'm not too bright

The list of "previous users post" extends to 3 pages - some 210 threads - not all mafia games, of course, but an indication that someone has played a dent amount. I agree join date alone doesn't mean a lot if someone joined years a go but only has a hand full of games in the period. This isn't the case here, though.

i honestly dont believe they did any of that. because of this I thought that by doing half the work of the meta skim I can prevent unnecessary conflict that could lead to something a lot worse

Fair enough, we can disagree of that point - but even if he didn't do even the briefest of meta searches, Salsabil Faria indentifies in 81 the other reason why his

stated

reason for voting me is rubbish, and it doesn't require any knoweldge about how I've always opened my games to realise that. In other words, there just isn't any way the reason he is voting me is actually geunine, and so the decision you have to make is "is there a town reason for lying about why you are voting for a slot?". In normal circumstances, I would say it indicates something scummy, but as I said previously, I think in this specific instance there might be a town justifcation, if the legit reason for voting my slot toes a bit close to the line where the rules are concerned.

[Leaven]

Interesting you would try and fudge the issue like this, though.

I do prefer fudge topping on a sundae over caramel, although both combined is best. As for candy, I actually prefer caramels to fudge.

[Leaven]

mark it in the charts that 4 people in my ambiguous "want to play with" list are gaming with me (but 1 replaced out, making it back to 3 currently playing)

Would you say you are better or worse at correctly identifying players you are familiar with or more prone to mistakes? Personally don't mind either way, but wondering if your familiarity is an advantage to leverage, a crutch to be aware of, or just neutral/not sure/varies.