Newbie 2073: Parfait (Over)

[GeneralWu]

But hang on, you slapped your vote down on T3 within 60 seconds of saying you weren't a mason with T3, so surely you

know

there is no reason for a town!T3 to claim that. Why are you asking?

Mainly this post. It seems like a real town player would know that other town players want to discuss the game and elicit insights from other players about their actions.

To respond to my question in this way strikes me as performative befuddlement.

Isn't he basically eliciting insights from you though?

[shwinnebego]

But hang on, you slapped your vote down on T3 within 60 seconds of saying you weren't a mason with T3, so surely you

know

there is no reason for a town!T3 to claim that. Why are you asking?

Mainly this post. It seems like a real town player would know that other town players want to discuss the game and elicit insights from other players about their actions.

To respond to my question in this way strikes me as performative befuddlement.

Isn't he basically eliciting insights from you though?

Hm I suppose I could see it in that light. I guess I interpret his tone as largely so snide that even when he is ostensibly asking a question I presume that he isn’t actually interested in my response. That’s perhaps my stuff and not actually his fault though now that you mention it.

[shwinnebego]

Well, frankly, I am confused by it. If you aren't sure, and want to consult with teammates, why not do it BEFORE dropping the vote?

I think its your asking of the question "why does a Town!T3 claim mason with me" was perfomative given how quick the vote came after the 'not-mason' claim. Others can make thier own judgements on the matter.

The meta on this site is genuinely a bit baffling.

I’ve been told that (1) we put votes on people to pressure them but wouldn’t seriously hammer them prematurely and (2) by the time you vote you are so committed to your decision that you are signaling that you are not even interested in discussion any more.

Which is it, people?

[shwinnebego]

(Extremely stoned philosophy bro voice) but like, what IS a vote, man?

[T3]

Quick question: do you think that T3 would sacrifice himself to let his partner finish the game or is it possible he was hoping to get away with it and just got bussed?

That would be extremely stupid.

[T3]

Sorry I have a small brain I have two questions for you cerebrally endowed folks:

1. Why would a wolf T3 lie about being in a mason chat with me

2. Why would a town T3 lie about being in a mason chat with me

To fish for PR's.

To gambit the nightkill.

[T3]

VOTE: T3

Vote Val tomorrow by the way.

[shwinnebego]

Sorry I have a small brain I have two questions for you cerebrally endowed folks:

1. Why would a wolf T3 lie about being in a mason chat with me

2. Why would a town T3 lie about being in a mason chat with me

To fish for PR's.

To gambit the nightkill.

I don’t get it. How would you learn power roles this way as a wolf.

Why would a powered town be like “oop, someone claimed to be in a mason chat with someone else, better reveal my power role!”

[T3]

Sorry I have a small brain I have two questions for you cerebrally endowed folks:

1. Why would a wolf T3 lie about being in a mason chat with me

2. Why would a town T3 lie about being in a mason chat with me

To fish for PR's.

To gambit the nightkill.

I don’t get it. How would you learn power roles this way as a wolf.

Why would a powered town be like “oop, someone claimed to be in a mason chat with someone else, better reveal my power role!”

Because someone can't be a mason and power role in the same way. By the way:

NEVER LIM NAVIGATOR OR SHWINN EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER

[shwinnebego]

lol

[shwinnebego]

Sorry I have a small brain I have two questions for you cerebrally endowed folks:

1. Why would a wolf T3 lie about being in a mason chat with me

2. Why would a town T3 lie about being in a mason chat with me

To fish for PR's.

To gambit the nightkill.

I don’t get it. How would you learn power roles this way as a wolf.

Why would a powered town be like “oop, someone claimed to be in a mason chat with someone else, better reveal my power role!”

Because someone can't be a mason and power role in the same way. By the way:

NEVER LIM NAVIGATOR OR SHWINN EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER

Yeah that still doesn’t make sense.

Assuming you’re a wolf, you just claimed to be in a mason chat. I said that no, you are not (a fact that you already know). How does that give you any additional information about whether or not I, or anyone else, has a power?

[shwinnebego]

*claimed to be in a mason chat with me

[navigatorv]

Because the only way to disprove the claim is to have someone counterclaim. And since it's incredibly risky for a VT to make the claim; chances are good that whoever does legitimately does have a power role

[Val89]

Unless you claim Mason, in which case, the person you are claiming Mason with can also CC you without actually claiming a PR, and maybe pick up some easy towncred along the way.

[navigatorv]

Well yes, but I was more talking about why scum would try it in general, obviously there are little differences depending on the claim

[Val89]

I'm just saying, this little back and forth going on between shwinn and T3 now is only convincing me we should be actually be liming shwinn tomorrow.

[Val89]

@Mod Could be have confirmation as to whether T3's self vote is counted?

@Everyone: Until we get confirmation either way, assume T3 is at E-1 and the next vote will hammer.

Wouldn't like someone to come along and hammer, and then claim "oops, i didn't see T3s vote because it wasn't formatted properly!", which may well be the intent.

[Roden]

What in the hell did I wake up to lmao

Sorry, I know this isn't too helpful of a post but this has been such a roller coaster for me. I thought I threw hard after T3's Mason claim but he really did turn out to be scum. Thankfully nobody has CC'd either so our PR isn't auto doomed.

As far as T3's partner goes, it wouldn't be a plot twist if it turned out to be Catboi. I'll have to reread his ISO but I did mention having reservations about him earlier.

Shwinn could easily be distancing himself from T3 here, it kinda just reads as scum theatre to me tbh. But maybe that's too easy.

I disagree that it could be Val. I think he put in way too much effort in nailing down exactly why T3 is scum. If it's a bus then it would be one of the most elaborate and convincing bus strats I've ever seen.

Meg or Nav could potentially be deep wolves, mainly because there's no real case to be made against them. But I heavily doubt this and they're likely just town.

StD looks scummy individually IMO but I don't think T3's strategy makes sense if StD is his partner. He has enough heat on him that he could reasonably be voted out Day 2, and T3's strat does nothing to fix that.

And Wu is someone who's had suspicion on him for most of the game. T3's strat doesn't really change my view on him, but I do think he's trying to solve now, and his suspicions on Shwinn are valid.

[T3]

VOTE: t3
yeet

[T3]

What in the hell did I wake up to lmao

Sorry, I know this isn't too helpful of a post but this has been such a roller coaster for me. I thought I threw hard after T3's Mason claim but he really did turn out to be scum. Thankfully nobody has CC'd either so our PR isn't auto doomed.

As far as T3's partner goes, it wouldn't be a plot twist if it turned out to be Catboi. I'll have to reread his ISO but I did mention having reservations about him earlier.

Shwinn could easily be distancing himself from T3 here, it kinda just reads as scum theatre to me tbh. But maybe that's too easy.

I disagree that it could be Val. I think he put in way too much effort in nailing down exactly why T3 is scum. If it's a bus then it would be one of the most elaborate and convincing bus strats I've ever seen.

Meg or Nav could potentially be deep wolves, mainly because there's no real case to be made against them. But I heavily doubt this and they're likely just town.

StD looks scummy individually IMO but I don't think T3's strategy makes sense if StD is his partner. He has enough heat on him that he could reasonably be voted out Day 2, and T3's strat does nothing to fix that.

And Wu is someone who's had suspicion on him for most of the game. T3's strat doesn't really change my view on him, but I do think he's trying to solve now, and his suspicions on Shwinn are valid.

I'm Vanilla Town.

[T3]

I don't twilight troll by the way.

[T3]

Usually.

[T3]

Honestly I don't even know what I was doing.

[T3]

Look for who was extremely confused at the mason claim and I guarantee you you'll find scum.

[Val89]

And Wu is someone who's had suspicion on him for most of the game

It might be a useful excerise to try and articulate the reasons why GeneralWu has been under suspicion. I don't see you having made a case against him yourself, so if you look at why he was sus'd you might find that most of it has melted away. {Wu, Schwin} obviously isn't a thing anymore.

And this should go without saying, but general warning to everyone, you should be disregarding everything T3 has said since the moment he became total obvscum; ie: from the moment shwin said "Nah, not Mason". He isn't about to be breaking the rules about playing against wincon, so anything he said/says from now in is wrapped in so many layers of WIFOM, and designed to try and confuse in order that his partner might slip away as to be totally and utterly useless in helping deduce who it is.