Newbie 2073: Parfait (Over)

[Roden]

I don't twilight troll by the way.

You did in my first game, Newbie 2065.

Honestly I don't even know what I was doing.

I don't believe this because if you're VT the Mason claim was unnecessary. You weren't even at E-1. Why fake claim as town if you weren't even in immediate danger?

[Roden]

And Wu is someone who's had suspicion on him for most of the game

It might be a useful excerise to try and articulate the reasons why GeneralWu has been under suspicion. I don't see you having made a case against him yourself, so if you look at why he was sus'd you might find that most of it has melted away. {Wu, Schwin} obviously isn't a thing anymore.

And this should go without saying, but general warning to everyone, you should be disregarding everything T3 has said since the moment he became total obvscum; ie: from the moment shwin said "Nah, not Mason". He isn't about to be breaking the rules about playing against wincon, so anything he said/says from now in is wrapped in so many layers of WIFOM, and designed to try and confuse in order that his partner might slip away as to be totally and utterly useless in helping deduce who it is.

Yeahhhh, I realized halfway through my bit on Wu that he doesn't really have much scum equity with T3. I don't think suspicion on him is completely unfounded though, so I'll be looking through his ISO during the night phase as well.

[navigatorv]

Isn't T3 only e-1? I thought it was only me, Val, Shwin, and now T3 himself, did I miss something?

[Val89]

Yes. He is at E-1.

My concern was his first vote was incorrectly formatted, and someone might come along and drop the hammer and then claim "oh no! I thought that vote didn't count, so I thought I was only putting him at E-1". The second self-vote was correctly formatted however, so:

For the avoidence of doubt: The

next

vote that comes from someone other than T3, Nav, Shwinn or Me will hammer.

[T3]

I don't twilight troll by the way.

You did in my first game, Newbie 2065.

Honestly I don't even know what I was doing.

I don't believe this because if you're VT the Mason claim was unnecessary. You weren't even at E-1. Why fake claim as town if you weren't even in immediate danger?

Wait a minute I wasn't at e-1

[T3]

LMAO I THOUGHT THAT WAS HAMMER

[Roden]

You were at E-2 when you claimed Mason...

[Save The Dragons]

lmao wtf

[Save The Dragons]

i guess it's just T3 here? i don't really see a good reason why town!T3 claims mason tbh.

[Save The Dragons]

UNVOTE:

[T3]

I thought it was e-1 lol

[T3]

i guess it's just T3 here? i don't really see a good reason why town!T3 claims mason tbh.

I do gambits not even myself can understand.

[Save The Dragons]

why did you claim mason?

[T3]

I think I was thinking along the lines of "shwinn will see no scum motivation and thus neither confirm nor deny it"

[Save The Dragons]

wat

[T3]

I should totally get hammered here by the way, that was a terrible play. I would hammer me if I were you.

[Save The Dragons]

i mean i'm seriously considering it but i did town read you initially so i'm trying to wrap my brain around a possible world where town!T3 does what he does

[Val89]

I know this may well be scum theatre and you are just going to ignore me, but would you mind terribly NOT hammering until catboi has popped along? Thanks.

[Roden]

Another note: T3 is now a E-2. I have a feeling T3 may well self-hammer at E-1, so while I think we should be pushing this towards a T3 lim now, if you

are

casting the E-1 vote make sure you've said everything you want to say today in case the day ends shortly after.

You were on point here. But this also makes it even more confusing that T3 would think he was at E-1 when you specifically made a point to everyone not to vote him when he was at E-2.

[Val89]

He didn't beleive he was at E-1. I'm sure hes pulled this exact "oops, I thought that was the hammer!" trick before, to the degree that I went looking for the post so I could link to it and jokingly suggest he must be thick as shit for making the exact same mistake twice, but I got bored of looking.

Maybe you remember, was it in one of your games with him?

[Roden]

I've only seem him fake hammer other players, never himself.

[Val89]

It's possible I'm misremembering, since I couldn't find what I was looking for. Still, I don't buy that he thought he was actually hammering himself.

[catboi]

What a shock.

You heard it here first, folks - I'm pretty sure catboi is T3s scumbuddy.

Details to follow, but I'm on my phone right now.

Oh boy - I would absolutely love to go on a big self-righteous rant on how all of day 1 *never* happens like this if I'm scum with T3. You have some things to learn, still, if you think that could be the case.

[catboi]

I'm still thinking StD may be scum, you guys keep saying that him posting one liners and such is normal, that doesn't really make him seem townie in my eyes. At best it is NAI.
I would really like them to share reads, especially since if they get Nked we will lose that input forever.

We aren't hammering yet because we can still get meaningful discussion done before the hammer falls.

First line is a very good point, and it was what I was

trying

to get at woth my posting earlier - I don't think STD having mostly underexplained reads is a scumtell, but writing him off as town because he always plays like that would be a mistake.

Second line is a bit puzzling - do you really think he's at risk of getting NKed based on how he's playing? Why are his reads important if he may be scum?

[T3]

It's possible I'm misremembering, since I couldn't find what I was looking for. Still, I don't buy that he thought he was actually hammering himself.

I legit did lol