Mini Normal 2223 | Town Wins!

[MathBlade]

I'm new to this ordered reads list thing I should probably label them

Skimmed a few posts ahead. Don’t see this. It would be nice if you could.

[MathBlade]

Don't feel great about a Marci lim but will do to get it off.

*facepalms*

Ugh why Titus? That’s like exactly the wrong thing to say here.

I have civ tonight but like fuck.

I know it’s dumb for you to leave a readwall because that gives hints to scum in case you’re shot but like I have civ tonight you’re AFK (assuming you’re town) that’s two town out of likely 10 afk

So this find a scum is really an 8 v 3 then you post this.

Gah.

[Dwlee99]

Omo - big town
Kyo, DGB - town vibes
NM, Max, Salsa - Null pile
Roden, Geraintm, Math - lean scum
Titus, Marci - scummy
Manatee - scummiest

[MathBlade]

Roden, could I just get a reads list from you rq, I just wanna see where you are at.

Dwlee and Kyouko you too.

I wanna help consolidate today and starting with just listening to people I most townread atp is gonna help

I'm going to trust that my TRs are right and that N_M can read geraint and take him out of the pool for today. Marci, Manatee, Max is my pool right now.

Roden, omo, mathblade, salsa, DGB, all town
Titus off the table
Dwlee unsure, willing to accept he is town for toDay
N_M I dont think I can read him in my first game.with him but he seems town and some other people say that too. Apparently he can read geraintm as well...
So geraintm off the table for toDay, because I think the compromise is not going to happen there.

Leaving Max, Manatee, and Marci. I'd like to lim Max because she seems useless as town and as scum she lurked to the end in my last game with her and won, but I think there is something fishy between Marci and Manatee and I'd really like to go with either of them today. I feel like at least 1 is scum.

Oh, I can't read not mafia day 1 ever. They just come in and act all random. So don't beat yourself over that. But I wanna keep them around as I am 90% sure I don't ever get eliminated in a game where they come out and say I'm town

I can’t read Not Mafia like ever. Trolling is very hard to read to my Aspie brain and that’s kinda his schtick. Because that is I am almost always down to policy elim him but I don’t have a read on him other than his defense of Owo sucked

[MathBlade]

Homie how do you have scum pings on me and not on Marci/Manatee/Math/Roden?

Why me, fry me

Titus I don’t think Dwelee is scum here.

Assume Dwelee scum you town. Dwlee scum would be trying to buddy you because you could vig them if they kill you.
Assume Dwlee town you town. Then Dwlee would have no problems being off the wall weird.

Assume you scum, you’re not going to listen to what I say anyway lol.

[Dwlee99]

I do not want to die to a babysitter of all things jeez

[MathBlade]

I will say though that your defense here is actually more reasonable than I expected. I'm just not seeing the town motivation for using scum tactics like buddying and distancing, nor for why you haven't really pushed your biggest scum read.

I can vibe to Roden town. I am starting to see it more.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Marci

I think I am okay with a Marci elim here.

[oʍo]

Idk if math is like trying to sublty save manatee by pretending that their push is based on my honesty about how i view titus.

I think that if you want to read me, seriously understand that I in general, do not save people as any alignment. I argue and advocate but I do not “save” people without a mod confirmed inno. As scum I do not “save” buddies and as town I do not “save” townreads I defend them. If my defense fails and they are town then I learn who pushed them and who is likely scum from it depending upon how I push.

Take Warehouse 13 where I was sure DGB was town. I fought for it the entire time. It didn’t work and then I could go back to my PoE which pretty much was Cakez or Titus and got Cakez. There’s this illusion of “good” doesn’t miselim and having to be right that kinda permeates. It’s about stopping the wrong. If scum have no places to hide we are forced to win. I will sacrifice a VT to get a deep wolf.

Mafia is like chess to me and I ask “random” questions in advance and then circle back later and check for consistency and see if their vibe matches expected.

Eg if we have a ton of miselims and the person hasn’t been listened to all game. Are they frustrated? Demoralized? Or are they the same?

If they thought they were poked by a bad question on D1 is that annoyance still there D4?

Are they remembering their stance on a person throughout the game?

Scum don’t generally remember the micro trivialities and care about the now.

By pushing you on your Titus push (yes it was a push you’re not convincing me otherwise) I can check that against your other Koba games and see if you’re playing with a similar mindset.

I big brain as scum but this isnt the big brain i do. If I'm scum I'm gonna drop a confident townread to get the towncred, not a null read.

[oʍo]

But also noted for an idea to do in a future scum game because that actually sounds like interesting theory to mask a town wagon i might want shoved through

[oʍo]

Did y'all miss that omo claimed miller?

was that serious?

It doesn’t matter they did.

If anything it matters less because if a cop exists they can’t be checked. That means they should have enough muster to pass scrutiny. A BBMolla type scum fake claims Miller and uses that as leverage to coast. A negative utility has to claim AND be above reproach.

Oh, am I coasting in your opinion?

[oʍo]

I'd really love to cw onto manatee like here - but like time limits and consensus.

Marci this is your last chance here.

[Dwlee99]

We have a day and a half left, there's plenty of time.

[marcistar]

Marci can you do a reads list? Claim (if you haven't)

im just a vt, so its not too much of a loss to town

Spoiler:

Not_Mafia -

not too sure

MathBlade -

I had good vibes on saudade (238, 326, 412, and his stuff about u titus seems pretty good) and i have decent vibes on mathblade > i like his like catching up on things alot, though im not really too sure where they stand rn
i think hes just genuinely putting thoughts there, and not just trying to whatevers easiest. so this is prob like townlean

oʍo -

their early game stuff seemed like they were just trying to move stuff forward, the vibes tell me theres nothing with bad intentions there. (463, 464, 853, 854 specifically good vibes, if u want something stronger than just pure vibes ) townread.

Roden -

(222, 294) im not usually used to people throwingaround the term "scum claiming" so easily so these originally felt weird to me, 244 originally to me seemed like he was just doing it cuz it was whats popular, originally i didn't really like him much. As the game went on though, i realized its just I don't vibe well with his playstyle so im not too confident placing a read here. I could see him being anything.

geraintm -

idk

DrippingGoofball -

originally i didn't like looker because it looked like looker was just making excuses, 206 and its correction in 209 was goodish tho.
drippinggoofball really just hasn't done too much, which makes me comfortable with my vote <3 <3 i don't know any meta on them so i cant be like "meta meta, hes town" or anything, so im just keeping at it until i either get what i wanna see or i die x3 <3 (657, 875) i don't see too much of an explanation

Dwlee99 -

535 by itself doesn't seem too weird, but it just stands out alot in their iso. i think thats where they really started like putting their foot into the game..? i also don't like how long they let the mason thing with saudade go on. i like (619, 761), dislike 703 since they dont rlly explain much. generally, his posts look good on quick glance, but i think they could be easily faked as scum.

MaxTheFox -

im not too sure on how to read them. i don't agree with their read on owo, i dont see anything wrong with it though, i think theyre something like a "only time can tell" sorta thing.

Titus -

tbh im not sure what a babysitter is but like ill trust it i think.. though im a bit confused on the timing of ur claim

ssbm_Kyouko -

i think ssbm_kyouko is really good at being a townleader often ^.^ i think theyre townie the vibes are just there. they seem rlly focused on me/manatee so i hope they have a backup plan if things go wrong :'(

ManateeDude -

they do alot of short posts and change votes alot, im not too sure how i feel about her anymore tbh. but like i had a townread here originally, but i just like.. the vote changes feel weird and sometimes like theyre taking opportunities.

Salsabil Faria -

i remember my townread on her felt stronger before, but isoing her doesn't really keep up those same vibes. i would say townie vibes, but keep her between the lower rankings of the townie vibes imo. alot of her posts aren't rlly doing much, and her post count makes it seem like shes in thread more than she actually has been (in my mind at least).
im still traumatized from the exploder game
(so lower ranks of the townie reads for her).

^ theres some ideas of the players, not really good and def not spicy at all tho
man that was kinda alot of work and took a bunch of hrs

Because town has zero motivation to settle and let themselves be elim'd.

Scum may do so to invoke WIFOM, or to make the exact argument you're making. Because yes, why would scum just lay down and die?.

i often do it as town for not so good reasons
but sometimes ill want to do it just so that my townreads dont get picked on.

Thing is, you can't claim you're not fighting back. You've been sprinkling suspicion on others throughout all of Day 1.

wheres me sprinkling suspicion on others..? i prob wasnt doing it to defend myself tho since i remember never really feeling like i needed to defend myself much earlier

Your associative with Max isn't direct but through Manatee. Your statement though implies you checked your ISO to fact check yourself, which is weird since you should just know if you talked much with Max or not.

i dont think i checked my iso at that point, but if i did it was prob cuz i was confused.. i have the worst memory

I will say though that your defense here is actually more reasonable than I expected. I'm just not seeing the town motivation for using scum tactics like buddying and distancing, nor for why you haven't really pushed your biggest scum read.

doesn't really matter too much, but i do buddy often to people who i feel like

have

to be town.. kinda gets me in an awkward spot when i rethink on them tho
dont really know why i do it.

Of the wagons that have come up so far who do you think could be scum?

lowkey don't remember all the wagons, the one i do remember (dwlee) i think could easily flip scum tho.

If you can’t find any who do you think would be the deep wolf pushing you in that scenario?

don't really think much of my wagon is sus (916) but if theres one on there its roden, but i wouldn't be too confident to put the title on him that fast.

[Roden]

I'm getting paranoid about my read on Marci. Like on one hand, I'm starting to doubt it after her defense because it was pretty reasonable, and looking through her ISO all of what she said checks out. And the wagon on her built surprisingly quickly before I could even make a full scum case, which feels off. But on the other hand, she's openly admitting to using scum tactics, she isn't pushing her biggest scum read, and I get a sense she's doing her homework to make sure everything she says checks out, which kinda conflicts with her overall vibe and demeanor that she's putting across. Like, using a lot of emojis and hearts, but then making passive aggressive statements.

"blatant distancing" i started distancing with manatee after i suddenly didnt like their vote, wow really a big shock how i dont wanna continue buddying someone i dont agree with anymore
but if yall think that distancing can only come from scum honey u got a big storm coming for ya <3

This specifically pinged me a lot. There's a lot of tonal dissonance in her posts but this is stands out the most to me.

[oʍo]

UNVOTE:

please lets find a viable counterwagon I dont want marci anymore after that wallpost

[marcistar]

I get a sense she's doing her homework to make sure everything she says checks out, which kinda conflicts with her overall vibe and demeanor that she's putting across. Like, using a lot of emojis and hearts, but then making passive aggressive statements.

im sorry im dumb, is ur point that my emojis and passive aggressive statements clash eachother?

im not sure exactly but i think i become a bit passive aggressive when im frustrated.

i also like lowkey dont think i do homework, but if it looks like it thats fair enough.

[oʍo]

its filled with complex thoughts and at the very least that's valuable in the long term even if scum because it will help solve overall

[Dwlee99]

UNVOTE:

please lets find a viable counterwagon I dont want marci anymore after that wallpost

I have a certain sea animal you can vote

[Roden]

I get a sense she's doing her homework to make sure everything she says checks out, which kinda conflicts with her overall vibe and demeanor that she's putting across. Like, using a lot of emojis and hearts, but then making passive aggressive statements.

im sorry im dumb, is ur point that my emojis and passive aggressive statements clash eachother?

im not sure exactly but i think i become a bit passive aggressive when im frustrated.

i also like lowkey dont think i do homework, but if it looks like it thats fair enough.

It's kind of hard to describe. Going by how you've posted in other games, I don't think it's inauthentic or forced. It feels like you're exaggerating a cutesy/uwu front to mask your intentions and draw in empathy. But I've seen you do it as scum and town, so it could just be a clash of playstyles like you mentioned.

UNVOTE:

please lets find a viable counterwagon I dont want marci anymore after that wallpost

How do people feel about the other M's?

[ManateeDude]

marci not acting like a total scumfuck in response to votes is good but idk if its good enough for me

[ManateeDude]

dwlees iso is pretty bad and if theres enough interest i'd be willing to case them.

max is not a good elimination just bc they have been sussed out based on weird interactions w me and marci. i know im tiwn and marci herself is getting more sympathy it seems which kinda dissolves most of the reasoning i've noticed inthread for her scumread

idk if i can convince people on omo cos even my read on them is inconsistent, but they have a LOT of stuff i can dig up once again w interest.

marci even if town gives us stuff to work with postflip bc theyve been interacting a lot more as of late.

not sure what omos getting at w the "complex thoughts" in regards bc it kind of just reads as a way to get off the wagon w justification which town shouldn't need to do. if marci is scum here her "complex thoughts" hold value primarily post-flip

[Dwlee99]

dwlees iso is pretty bad

WRONG

[Roden]

dwlees iso is pretty bad

WRONG

It's at least in the Bottom 3 for ISO's.

[Dwlee99]

Also wrong, y'all on a roll