Newbie 2074 | Game Over

[Val89]

I'm not calling anyone an idiot, and I'm not sure how you took that from my post. If I have given some reason for you to think that, I appologise. I don't think that about you, or anyone else who has posted.

I really don't think any of us are struggling with identifying the reason James repeating himself makes him town because we are idiots, I think we are struggling because there isn't a simple answer.

Ythans 'dense' comment was directed only at me, but if multiple people are struggling to answer the question I posed - "Why doesn't a troll simply repeat themselves?" - then I think that having to ask that question is no indication of a lack intellegence, or false intent. Rather, Ythans brashly brushing it off as if the answer was self-evident if that's not the case is perhaps an indication that he doesn't know the answer himself.

[Leaven]

Appreciate that and agree with this.

having to ask that question is no indication of a lack intellegence, or false intent.

[cowsloveSushirolls]

for what it's worth I have always believed that james was being genuine in the sense that he was doing this for the exact reason that they posted onto the thread and nothing more
which i don't believe is that alignment indicative

[cowsloveSushirolls]

kinda sad that the towncore isnt getting much resistance, now i just feel like a weenie with thread consensus reads

[Leaven]

Sure. This bit isn't hypothetical. I did the same thing in my last game then got hammered from 0 votes to 5 votes within the span of about 4 hours before D1 ended due to time. I wanted to try it again. I won't comment further regarding that game as said game is ongoing.

Hypothetical answers:
From a mechanics point of view even town vs even scum, ie 6 town vs 2 scum, benefits town, I get conftowned by claiming and we get to a beneficial mechanical stage?

The first non-newbie game I read over Dannflor did this, and I wanted to try it.

If I make everythone think I look stupid with random claims and hard-tunnelling. I won't get killed during the Nights and can save the game D3 or D4.

Maybe I lack imagination, but this explanation reads worse.

J says he claimed VT recently and it had a decisively bad result for himself and team. So he immediately does it again. What makes him think the same won't happen again? The upside to building a meta by claiming VT as VT would be for when he eventually wants to claim VT as a non-VT I presume?

So either:
- He's dumping this game again as VT for an even future scum game (worse than last time because of how last time went)
- This is that future game where he's scum (cashing in on the last game to take this town down)
- Given the value of a PR and how badly it went last time, the least generous conclusion would be assigning him as PR here, although that would likely be the least surprising next revelation.

I'll go with the most generous conclusion which is that this is the cash-in game.

VOTE: JamesTheNames

[cowsloveSushirolls]

my gut says no to the ^above conclusion, if I can put it into words ill do that in the coming hours

[cowsloveSushirolls]

the tinfoil theory is that leaven crafted their scumcase in a way that if james were to respond to

any

part of it they get modkilled

this isn't related to the last post I made

[Salsabil Faria]

Why doesn't a troll simply repeat themselves?

But

James

wasn’t trolling? He was experimenting which can go against the town here.

[Salsabil Faria]

There was nothing wrong with what Ythan did and continuing to use it to push suspicions against him is frankly gross, use another line of reasoning please

Val

is salty for the

newbie

insult

[Salsabil Faria]

Assuming I'm wrong about this, it'll look absolutely bad that I said that.

[Salsabil Faria]

mark it in the charts that 4 people in my ambiguous "want to play with" list are gaming with me (but 1 replaced out, making it back to 3 currently playing)

Would you say you are better or worse at correctly identifying players you are familiar with or more prone to mistakes? Personally don't mind either way, but wondering if your familiarity is an advantage to leverage, a crutch to be aware of, or just neutral/not sure/varies.

read accuracy is not really something i'm trying to track yet with my limited playing data, but I'd imagine that it'd be better for people I'm more familiar with, since i naturally pay more attention to them and what they say. i don't have enough familiarity to use meta, however (except for EchoV maybe, who I've played a ton of games with offsite. sad that they're gone)
it won't actually impact the game much, and probably won't in the future until I've had multiple games in the charts with specific people
if it matters, i (coincidentally) have read the most on strangematter, but i still don't think I'm familiar with them, so the same goes to all of you

I don't understand your read on

StrangeMatter

.

[Salsabil Faria]

UNVOTE: Ythan Not comfortable with this at 3. Will be back this evening.

Not at E-1 but at E-2 feels a bit weird to unvote at.

Nope? We have 2 scums remember?

[Salsabil Faria]

Boring!

Come again? What don't you like?

Theory talk

and I know it's a

newbie game

[cowsloveSushirolls]

I don't understand your read on StrangeMatter

I dont really have one yet. i pointed out that their vote in you was based on an assumption on what you were thinking when James voted themselves, but they didn't acknowledge me or respond to you after you talked to them about their vote (but I need to make sure this is true, I haven't looked back in a while)
With all of that information in one place, they are null-scum to me

[Salsabil Faria]

Not really. I was first to take offense to Ythan's name calling, but I'm also getting the sense you're doing the same with anyone not following your argument here? Is calling people idiots just par for the course here?

Of course not! It totally depends on the specific player.

[Salsabil Faria]

I don't understand your read on StrangeMatter

I dont really have one yet. i pointed out that their vote in you was based on an assumption on what you were thinking when James voted themselves, but they didn't acknowledge me or respond to you after you talked to them about their vote (but I need to make sure this is true, I haven't looked back in a while)
With all of that information in one place, they are null-scum to me

True, they don't engage with me after voting me yet.

UNVOTE: Clark

VOTE: StrangeMatter

[cowsloveSushirolls]

i find it off that both clark and james have expressed a dislike/curiosity for leaven's unvote (182 and 174 respectively)
it's very apparent that Ythan was voted up for their snooty attitude primarily, surely that isn't grounds for being the majority vote, yeah?
what's more important was that leaven's vote was RVS and it was going elsewhere anyways

[JamesTheNames]

UNVOTE: Ythan Not comfortable with this at 3. Will be back this evening.

Not at E-1 but at E-2 feels a bit weird to unvote at.

Nope? We have 2 scums remember?

First of all the person putting it onto 4 would have to justify it. Then you hammer the hammerer D2 as a matter or policy.

[JamesTheNames]

Sure. This bit isn't hypothetical. I did the same thing in my last game then got hammered from 0 votes to 5 votes within the span of about 4 hours before D1 ended due to time. I wanted to try it again. I won't comment further regarding that game as said game is ongoing.

Hypothetical answers:
From a mechanics point of view even town vs even scum, ie 6 town vs 2 scum, benefits town, I get conftowned by claiming and we get to a beneficial mechanical stage?

The first non-newbie game I read over Dannflor did this, and I wanted to try it.

If I make everythone think I look stupid with random claims and hard-tunnelling. I won't get killed during the Nights and can save the game D3 or D4.

Maybe I lack imagination, but this explanation reads worse.

J says he claimed VT recently and it had a decisively bad result for himself and team. So he immediately does it again. What makes him think the same won't happen again? The upside to building a meta by claiming VT as VT would be for when he eventually wants to claim VT as a non-VT I presume?

So either:
- He's dumping this game again as VT for an even future scum game (worse than last time because of how last time went)
- This is that future game where he's scum (cashing in on the last game to take this town down)
- Given the value of a PR and how badly it went last time, the least generous conclusion would be assigning him as PR here, although that would likely be the least surprising next revelation.

I'll go with the most generous conclusion which is that this is the cash-in game.

VOTE: JamesTheNames

I will not be retracting my claim, nor claiming a PR further down the game.

[StrangeMatter]

UNVOTE: Ythan Not comfortable with this at 3. Will be back this evening.

Not at E-1 but at E-2 feels a bit weird to unvote at.

Nope? We have 2 scums remember?

I'm wondering, what makes you think scum would reasonably QH this? I could see this at 5 people left with two scum, but not all 9 players in the game.

[Ythan]

I will not be retracting my claim, nor claiming a PR further down the game.

It sounds like you fail to understand that if you are town this narrows down scum's search for potential power roles.

You need to understand that this is wrong before you play real games, for real.

[cowsloveSushirolls]

I will not be retracting my claim, nor claiming a PR further down the game

i think you should accept that you won't get townread for this and start contributing in other ways, because you haven't yet

[Salsabil Faria]

UNVOTE: Ythan Not comfortable with this at 3. Will be back this evening.

Not at E-1 but at E-2 feels a bit weird to unvote at.

Nope? We have 2 scums remember?

I'm wondering, what makes you think scum would reasonably QH this? I could see this at 5 people left with two scum, but not all 9 players in the game.

Don’t get what you're trying to say here.

[Salsabil Faria]

I will not be retracting my claim, nor claiming a PR further down the game.

It sounds like you fail to understand that if you are town this narrows down scum's search for potential power roles.

You need to understand that this is wrong before you play real games, for real.

It'll be better if you talk to a wall instead

[StrangeMatter]

Don’t get what you're trying to say here.

What I'm trying to say, is why would you worry about a QH on Day 1, when it would be probably the worst time to do so?