Mini Normal 2223 | Town Wins!

[geraintm]

What a hypocrite pl!!
When I was voting

OMO

and

Dwlee

, either I was completely ignored or they were strongly townread by others which made me back off a little and I decided to sheep others. But now I am not town to all of you because I went against

Titus

or to your precious M3 group, which you guys want to eliminate???
You guys deserve each other, not gonna post anymore, screw yourselves!!

UNVOTE: Marci

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

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Town:

ssbm

,

Math

,

Titus

,

Roden

VOTE: salsabil
Self votes should be driven from the game

Scum:

Dwlee

,

OMO

,

goofball

Rests are null now, will be changed after the D1 and N1 flips most probably.

This was meant to be a VOTE: salsabil for the self vote

[Titus]

[geraintm]

There was, just seen it inside the quote

[MathBlade]

Wrong but fair and can’t elaborate.

I gotta go probably won’t be on for the rest of the day because I gotta figure out roomie bday present 2.0.

[MaxTheFox]

Will catch up tomorrow, I'm sleepy right now.

[oʍo]

I feel like I've either mind melded with Math or I'm getting manipulated hard. I'm super uneasy that we're agreeing on a

lot

of things now, even stuff I haven't directly said. Idk how to describe the potential technique here entirely, but I feel like he's done something where he tried to break me down with suspicion and pressure, then raise me up by slowly town reading me and agreeing with a lot of things I've said. And there were a few things earlier that I brought up to him that he never responded to and let get buried. With all the conversation leading he's done, he could be power wolfing. I'm also just really susceptible to pocketing, Jake got me way too easily in our last Mini Normal and on Day 1 too.

Or, we just naturally clicked after a rough start and he's just really strong as town. And I hate being paranoid of someone who seems to be on my side because then I feel bad. He seems more trustworthy than OMO too and I've been getting a strong feeling there's one scum between them due to their interactions.

This is real fucking rough but I'd rather put my trust in Math Day 1 regardless. I ultimately don't have a reason to want him gone over OMO especially when OMO does look scummier, especially with Manatee's case on them which I thought was pretty compelling. I understand this is just kind of a ramble, but I wanted to put it out here since I'm finding myself stuck between the two of them and trying to figure out who to trust. Especially with OMO voting Manatee and Math voting Marci, this could actually be between town and scum today with these wagons.

I dismantled your wagon. Why am i scum from your pov?

Dismantling a wagon doesn't mean much and assumes I couldn't do it myself. Scum can easily do it for town cred, or at the very least trust points. I don't want you gone today though, and I don't have a scum case that comes out differently than what Manatee offered.

lmao horseshit reply, you're trying to really make excuses why im scum at this point.
Someone please get a votecount up

[oʍo]

Will catch up tomorrow, I'm sleepy right now.

Deadline is today. Now whats your response?

[oʍo]

Votecount:

• DrippingGoofball (4): marcistar, ssbm_Kyouko, ManateeDude, Roden
  Salsabil Faria (2): geraintm, Salsabil Fariua
  marcistar (1): MathBlade
  omo (1): MaxTheFox
  ManateeDude (1): Dwlee99
  Dwlee99 (1): Titus
  Not_Mafia (1): Not_Mafia
  Roden (1): DrippingGoofball

Day 1 will end in (expired on 2021-07-25 10:22:01).
With 13 alive, it takes 7 to eliminate.

Spoiler: Votes Since Last Votecount

VOTE: Marci

I think I am okay with a Marci elim here.

UNVOTE:

please lets find a viable counterwagon I dont want marci anymore after that wallpost

omo has generally been very wishy washy, inconsistent and intentionally offputting so far this game. a skim of their iso will find a lot of fencesits, votes that are quickly rescinded. they seem pretty willing to follow stronger players more silently and are quite often vague in their statements, in what i think is an attempt to avoid locking themselves into a thought process that isnt favourable for town later down the road. a skim through their iso reveals a lack of reads on a lot of players, and many are purposely vague or based on an another players perspective. its pretty easy for omo to take up a few semi-popular viewpoints that they can fencesit, and pull through on at a later point when its convinient for them. omos posts voting me as opposed to a more popular pick are all coupled with a statement they'd also be ok pushing the more popular pick which feels like perfect positioning for a mislim on either end

omo is either scum or just trying to cause chaos. None of their posts make much sense as town, they're either baseless accusations or dodging questions.

Yes I am causing chaos. Why is that scummy?

this post is super telling and i think it sets up for a discred on max bc her thought process was really solid, and omo AS max stated does the aforementioned dodging real criticism by not adressing the other aspects of max's reasoning. its really not a good look for early game and i didnt even notice it until here

dont care, I'm blatantly town and you're not

you are most definitenly not blatantly town omo

why am I scum then?

omo does some more doubtcasting, and the obvtown comment is really bad. this response looks like a pretty obvious way to distract from their original point (not a good look) and immediately flip to the other end of the spectrum in attempt to doubtcast the original point (being that omo is NOT obvtown)

omo you are taco right?

yup thats another one of my alts

yeah I'm not that complex in early game and just shit out random reads, it's gonna develop over time like right now

not noticing this pattern in at least one aforementioned taco game

wrongo

i wont claim to be a huge meta reader but when theres a pretty obvious discepancy i can point it out. this game gives pretty different scope of how they act, with them supplying many complicated takes and engaging in a complex manner with various players. i wouldnt find this huge if they didn't say it was objectively untrue, but from the way i see it they made a statement about their style that doesnt match the way i analyzed their behavior

VOTE: manatee
I'm content with a titus lim on the basis that it is outside my confident townreads because i cant read titus but would be a loss if they flipped town for us.

this post is super in that they kind of back away from developing any sort of read on titus and WHILE voting me. i'd be content if they admitted they couldn't read titus without the caveat that theyd also be ok limming them but it feels weird to say you cant read someone and be in favour of their lim. they ALSO ackonwledge T!Titus would be a loss but they're also perfectly content with the same person going without any real read on them?

feel like a lot of people are hedging on their reads on me cos mafia dont know if they can push me as a mislim

Perspective slip alert

If yall were unsure b4 that post is disgustingly scum mindset based on that wording^^

But you said that's because mafia isn't sure. How did you figure that?

i dont think everyone pushing me fully is scum? that means mafia is unsure of whether or not theyre going to push me as a whole

ur reasoning is oh she has thoughts about mafia perspective so she slipped as mafia from what im getting

alright so what's your perspective on the gamestate ATP?

this series of responses is kind of telling around omo's wishy-washy behavior as their noted "perspective slip" on me which was originally extremely fragile falls apart with a bit of pushback and without anyone agreeing. i find it interesting that even now when they r back to voting me no mention of this perspective slip has been raised. i think its bc as a point against me it doesnt work and they realized it.


VOTE: omo

I'm getting paranoid about my read on Marci. Like on one hand, I'm starting to doubt it after her defense because it was pretty reasonable, and looking through her ISO all of what she said checks out. And the wagon on her built surprisingly quickly before I could even make a full scum case, which feels off. But on the other hand, she's openly admitting to using scum tactics, she isn't pushing her biggest scum read, and I get a sense she's doing her homework to make sure everything she says checks out, which kinda conflicts with her overall vibe and demeanor that she's putting across. Like, using a lot of emojis and hearts, but then making passive aggressive statements.

"blatant distancing" i started distancing with manatee after i suddenly didnt like their vote, wow really a big shock how i dont wanna continue buddying someone i dont agree with anymore
but if yall think that distancing can only come from scum honey u got a big storm coming for ya <3

This specifically pinged me a lot. There's a lot of tonal dissonance in her posts but this is stands out the most to me.

UNVOTE:

please lets find a viable counterwagon I dont want marci anymore after that wallpost

Bless your beautiful souls VOTE: manatee

VOTE: marci

im not going today and i will make that 100% true if need be

UNVOTE: I don't even know with this game anymore. Theres a hole in my reads somewhere.
I guess I could do max
VOTE: max

Pedit: Roden I think omo was voting Marci while she was he wagon and the same post you thought was townie from Marci, he thought too. So did I.

Fuck it what about this iso?
Desperately flocking to the prevailing wagons seemingly for no reason, assuming they're both town, 962 is the perfect time to make that post as scum. You get the towncred but also the prevailing wagons are TvT and it's safe to do so.

No content. Flip-flops onto town wagons without reason. Tries to scoop up low-hanging towncred. Yeet

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

sold.

VOTE: DGB

I was damn near town locking DGB due to Looker, but that is a good point about DGB's posts. Last game I was with DGB I ended up tunneling them to the point I tried to Vig them, but they also played way differently in that game. They've been extremely inactive and not really trying to make any waves this time around, possibly just coasting on the town read Looker forged for them. Re-evaluating Looker again, I also remember thinking they were trying to look scummy on purpose. It made me think they were either too scummy to be scummy and maybe had a PR, or they were gambitting we would assume TSTBS. I should've had them null in my reads list tbh.

I think I'm actually fine with this wagon.

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

What a hypocrite pl!!
When I was voting

OMO

and

Dwlee

, either I was completely ignored or they were strongly townread by others which made me back off a little and I decided to sheep others. But now I am not town to all of you because I went against

Titus

or to your precious M3 group, which you guys want to eliminate???
You guys deserve each other, not gonna post anymore, screw yourselves!!

UNVOTE: Marci

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

Read-list

Town:

ssbm

,

Math

,

Titus

,

Roden

Scum:

Dwlee

,

OMO

,

goofball

Rests are null now, will be changed after the D1 and N1 flips most probably.

VOTE: Roden

Oh its 22 hours i thought it was sooner LOL

[Titus]

Wrong but fair and can’t elaborate.

I gotta go probably won’t be on for the rest of the day because I gotta figure out roomie bday present 2.0.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

DGB is now e-1 with Math and Titus votes. Max still vanity voting, and dwlee is with DGB in voting Roden.

I think the rest of the vc is the same. Geraint and salsa voting salsa, and N_M voting themselves.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Oh and for some reason omo is not in the last vc but is still voting manatee

[marcistar]

i guess its the difference between thinking an elim could be valuable and liking it. my perspective pretty quickly changed between the two posts esp given the fact i became a target during that time

hmm k

I summon the powers of roden, omo, manatee, and Marci to turboelim this scumbag. It's partner can bus it with the 6th vote and not_mafia can hammer for the lulz

I was damn near town locking DGB due to Looker, but that is a good point about DGB's posts. Last game I was with DGB I ended up tunneling them to the point I tried to Vig them, but they also played way differently in that game. They've been extremely inactive and not really trying to make any waves this time around, possibly just coasting on the town read Looker forged for them. Re-evaluating Looker again, I also remember thinking they were trying to look scummy on purpose. It made me think they were either too scummy to be scummy and maybe had a PR, or they were gambitting we would assume TSTBS. I should've had them null in my reads list tbh.

i thought they were just like not motivated tbh

What a hypocrite pl!!
When I was voting

OMO

and

Dwlee

, either I was completely ignored or they were strongly townread by others which made me back off a little and I decided to sheep others. But now I am not town to all of you because I went against

Titus

or to your precious M3 group, which you guys want to eliminate???
You guys deserve each other, not gonna post anymore, screw yourselves!!

question, where are people saying ur not town?

Aw come on people, I haven't been able to pay attention to this game, my course is way more involved than I anticipated, I was prioritizing other games since this one was just starting and unfortunately I can't even give it the attention it deserves for another week.

All I can ask for is a reprieve. I am even going to be gone all day today visiting friends that live two hours away , leaving in a minute, my husbandis alreadyoutside waitingfor me. Titus you of all people should understand that life can get in the way, I am disappointed.

like, now i feel bad for u, but is this ur only defense..? do u have any alternative options..? in ur iso it looks like uve read thru quite a bit of the game, but u haven't done too much

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i dont like the vote geraintm made xoxo

[geraintm]

Marcistar?
You don't like my vote?
I've pinged them three times for doing something I don't like....and then they self vote. How is me voting for them.notnconsistentnwith everything I have said this game?
+1 scum point to marcistar

[marcistar]

Marcistar?
You don't like my vote?
I've pinged them three times for doing something I don't like....and then they self vote. How is me voting for them.notnconsistentnwith everything I have said this game?
+1 scum point to marcistar

wow u responded so fast.. must be scared to be sused!
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i feel like ur so focused on salsabil it feels a bit like ur doing whats easy, when theres alot of things on other people that ur avoiding giving opinions on.

[Roden]

Oh shit wait, just thought of something.

@DGB:

There was a Miller claim this game. You were notably so against the idea of a Miller existing in the last game we played that it extended into you ranting about set up metas even into the post game. Why hasn't the Miller claim caught your attention this time? I'd think you would hone in on that. No this isn't a gotcha attempt but considering how differently you've been playing this game in general, it's notable here.

I thought it was BS like all the fake mason claims. And if you remember how my last casting doubt on millers went... you should understand why I won't bring it up again.

In a recent game, I had a cop guilty on a player who claimed miller on flucking day 2... and people were voting ME so I've had it with miller claims. If someone wants to take it up, it won't be me.

You remind me a lot of scum!MathBlade in that game. Welcome to my scum pile.

How does being in your scum pile effect me? And why only me when I'm not the only one voting you and didn't even get your wagon going? I was town reading you up until recently and you had no problem with my posts until that stopped.

Why do I keep getting compared to scum!Math...?

I am taking a 2-week intensive acappella arranging course with lots of homework, i am banging my head because I find it extremely difficult, so bear with me for another week before trying to rapture me for an activity differential.

It isn't just for activity. Look at the scum case that was made.

I hate post #1000 so much, I can feel a rise in my magma chamber.

Why?

Oh shit wait, just thought of something.

@DGB:

There was a Miller claim this game. You were notably so against the idea of a Miller existing in the last game we played that it extended into you ranting about set up metas even into the post game. Why hasn't the Miller claim caught your attention this time? I'd think you would hone in on that. No this isn't a gotcha attempt but considering how differently you've been playing this game in general, it's notable here.

To be fair, it was an "informed miller".

That's fair. I mostly just wanted to see how DGB would respond.

VOTE: Roden

He posts weird

You've never explained this. If you want to go back in my scum reads then be my guest, because you're starting to look like scum trying to set up a Day 2 mis-elim.

Aw come on people, I haven't been able to pay attention to this game, my course is way more involved than I anticipated, I was prioritizing other games since this one was just starting and unfortunately I can't even give it the attention it deserves for another week.

All I can ask for is a reprieve. I am even going to be gone all day today visiting friends that live two hours away , leaving in a minute, my husbandis alreadyoutside waitingfor me. Titus you of all people should understand that life can get in the way, I am disappointed.

Does DGB usually go full AtE like this as town?

[Dwlee99]

You've never explained this. If you want to go back in my scum reads then be my guest, because you're starting to look like scum trying to set up a Day 2 mis-elim.

1.) Yes I did
2.) Okay?

[Roden]

You've never explained this. If you want to go back in my scum reads then be my guest, because you're starting to look like scum trying to set up a Day 2 mis-elim.

1.) Yes I did
2.) Okay?

No, you didn't. I've asked you to explain yourself and clarify multiple things and you've literally refused to every single time. Quote where you did or I'll consider it a scum claim.

[Dwlee99]

To be fair max probably deserves to be null on my list, I'm quite focused on manatee/marci and max sits down there still because she was there before

Pedit: oh okay well, hmm. I think Roden is town, I guess is all I can say. What do you mean he's "being weird" with you

Read our interactions. He misunderstands my posts in I almost all of them.

[Roden]

To be fair max probably deserves to be null on my list, I'm quite focused on manatee/marci and max sits down there still because she was there before

Pedit: oh okay well, hmm. I think Roden is town, I guess is all I can say. What do you mean he's "being weird" with you

Read our interactions. He misunderstands my posts in I almost all of them.

This isn't an explanation. This is actually just incredibly frustrating because I keep asking you to restate your posts since I supposedly keep misunderstanding them. I just asked you to do so again and instead you say it's weird that I don't understand your posts. This is just circular logic.

VOTE: Kyo
This might be scum. The inattentiveness thing is a very strange thing to push me on and I think town!Kyo knows I sometimes am just like that.

I know vibe checking is punishable by death at this point, but man the vibes on this read feel off. Do you really think Kyouko should go just because she made a push on you?

Uh no and I don't think this is a good faith attempt at repeating back what I said at all.

I didn't repeat anything back. How else am I supposed to interpret your post if your only accusation against Kyouko is "she should know that I don't pay attention"?

You said I voted Kyo for pushing me. If that's your interpretation you're severely misreading what I'm writing or trying to misrep me to make me look scummy.

Restate your accusation then. I'm standing by what I said, and I'm not gonna let you gaslight me into thinking I misread what was a very blatantly lazy retaliation post from you against Kyouko.

Proof that I asked you to and that you refused to do so.

[Dwlee99]

Please Roden, I want you to reread what I wrote and figure out why "you voted Kyo for pushing you" is a misrepresentation.

[Roden]

I feel like I've either mind melded with Math or I'm getting manipulated hard. I'm super uneasy that we're agreeing on a

lot

of things now, even stuff I haven't directly said. Idk how to describe the potential technique here entirely, but I feel like he's done something where he tried to break me down with suspicion and pressure, then raise me up by slowly town reading me and agreeing with a lot of things I've said. And there were a few things earlier that I brought up to him that he never responded to and let get buried. With all the conversation leading he's done, he could be power wolfing. I'm also just really susceptible to pocketing, Jake got me way too easily in our last Mini Normal and on Day 1 too.

Or, we just naturally clicked after a rough start and he's just really strong as town. And I hate being paranoid of someone who seems to be on my side because then I feel bad. He seems more trustworthy than OMO too and I've been getting a strong feeling there's one scum between them due to their interactions.

This is real fucking rough but I'd rather put my trust in Math Day 1 regardless. I ultimately don't have a reason to want him gone over OMO especially when OMO does look scummier, especially with Manatee's case on them which I thought was pretty compelling. I understand this is just kind of a ramble, but I wanted to put it out here since I'm finding myself stuck between the two of them and trying to figure out who to trust. Especially with OMO voting Manatee and Math voting Marci, this could actually be between town and scum today with these wagons.

I dismantled your wagon. Why am i scum from your pov?

Dismantling a wagon doesn't mean much and assumes I couldn't do it myself. Scum can easily do it for town cred, or at the very least trust points. I don't want you gone today though, and I don't have a scum case that comes out differently than what Manatee offered.

lmao horseshit reply, you're trying to really make excuses why im scum at this point.
Someone please get a votecount up

What excuses? I'm not even saying you're guaranteed scum. This is such a weirdly volatile response.

Marcistar?
You don't like my vote?
I've pinged them three times for doing something I don't like....and then they self vote. How is me voting for them.notnconsistentnwith everything I have said this game?
+1 scum point to marcistar

wow u responded so fast.. must be scared to be sused!
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i feel like ur so focused on salsabil it feels a bit like ur doing whats easy, when theres alot of things on other people that ur avoiding giving opinions on.

I agree with this a lot. Geraintm hasn't been posting enough to get a solid read on him, but I haven't been a fan of his point system.

[Roden]

Please Roden, I want you to reread what I wrote and figure out why "you voted Kyo for pushing you" is a misrepresentation.

Why is it so impossible for you to just restate your accusation? I clearly am not going to read your posts any differently as they currently are. This is the easiest thing in the world for you to do and you're just refusing.

[Roden]

I don't know why I have to beg supposed townies to act like actual townies but here we are I guess.

[Dwlee99]

Because if you can't figure out how to read my posts this is going to be terrible as long as we are both alive.

[oʍo]

VOTE: Roden after some thought I think Roden TMId in their response to me regarding my assertion that it is unrealistic from their POV that I helped shut down a wagon on them that I initiated and am scum to them. The motivations for me as scum to do that are dubious at best considering the gamestate at the time.


I thought they were town but perhaps I am threatening their other 2 partners ergo that's dangerous to them - or they need to dismantle a townblock that's formed in a way. I'm still trying to wrap my head around this, as I've been rereading my own ISO and noticed some things I had forgotten about.


The fact this isn't the first time this day phase Roden has made very questionable play in terms of not bad play but like .. dunno how to explain it its just weird/not town motivated.

I'm hungover as shit so not in the mood to really ellaborate but I'll quote Kyouko's case in my next post.