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Post Post #775 (ISO) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:21 pm

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In post 658, MURDERCAT wrote:Dann/S_S possible, this is their only interaction
In post 661, MURDERCAT wrote:
In post 296, catboi wrote:That's...kind of an odd approach to take, and why us two? I feel like something_smart is decently readable, given enough time. Why not aim for the more confident townreads early? That feels like a basic risk mitigation strategy.
possible?
mm, were these the only interactions you looked at?
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Post Post #776 (ISO) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:29 pm

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shiki if you would pocket me, or pocket someone, how have you historically done it?
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Post Post #777 (ISO) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:30 pm

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In post 775, inutile wrote:mm, were these the only interactions you looked at?
In post 693, MURDERCAT wrote:
In post 690, catboi wrote:But why does that lead to the conclusion of HEM's town equity being way up? I don't follow what the logic is supposed to be here.
Prism had a strong town read on HEM which is now confirmed, my reads were proven to be not great so I'm doubting them, and 1 less scum means it can't be both Dann and HEM so the likelihood that it's HEM must go down as a result.
it really feels like murdercat presenting a conclusion here;

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monkey town, dannflor/catboi scum, !

i didn't have any interactions with something smart, those weren't dannflor's only interactions as catboi pointed out, and prism thought something smart was only mafia with monkey? so it's weird for murdercat to realign like this
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Post Post #778 (ISO) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:35 pm

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In post 774, humaneatingmonkey wrote:i want to trust you, but i have no strong reasons to do it other than there are more people that might be scum than you are. help me?
i mean, the reason is still that i am town
In post 776, humaneatingmonkey wrote:shiki if you would pocket me, or pocket someone, how have you historically done it?
historically i think mostly through mechanics? like i 'pocketed' dunnstral/hectic (though this wasn't as much a pocket as won a final three partly because of) by using the deadline to confirm town someone else,

to pocket you i'd probably just create a situation similar to day one of the third miccro blitz, if this was my sole intention
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Post Post #779 (ISO) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:41 pm

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i just realized that i have no idea how to read you and i'm not gonna put myself in the position where I'll need to decide if you're town or not, potentially losing this game
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Post Post #780 (ISO) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:43 pm

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do you still think infinity is scum, shiki?
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Post Post #781 (ISO) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:44 pm

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do you think catboi is scum, shiki?
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Post Post #782 (ISO) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:44 pm

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In post 780, humaneatingmonkey wrote:do you still think infinity is scum, shiki?
not as strongly as i did previously, still looking at today, and the question you posed to me earlier regarding
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Post Post #783 (ISO) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:45 pm

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In post 781, humaneatingmonkey wrote:do you think catboi is scum, shiki?
only if going for the like 'no outs' thing
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Post Post #784 (ISO) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:45 pm

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In post 783, inutile wrote:
In post 781, humaneatingmonkey wrote:do you think catboi is scum, shiki?
only if going for the like 'no outs' thing
which i mean does happen, but not all that often
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Post Post #785 (ISO) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:49 pm

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how does the paragon of mafia hunters get me so wrong, and then devolve into shallow reads like townreading me after S_S flips but not catboi.
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Post Post #786 (ISO) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:50 pm

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do you think catboi town would commit to a prism townread immediately in the early game?
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Post Post #787 (ISO) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:51 pm

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In post 663, MURDERCAT wrote:today is probably hem + hem's #1 scum read and we accept we lose to scum hem now
how does the paragon of mafia hunters decide this is an okay result for this game where he's town
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Post Post #788 (ISO) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:52 pm

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In post 749, humaneatingmonkey wrote:Infinity clearing a bunch of people, or at least clearing the people she thinks is most town, can be interpreted in two ways:
1. scum with reckless abandon just trying to get herself trusted
2. town because there's no scum incentive to clear people

shiki what's your take
infinity only cleared you, but its probably town indicative, yeah? like there's no immediate pressure for mafia here and there's no expectation for you to accept?
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Post Post #789 (ISO) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:52 pm

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how does the paragon of mafia hunters change from "i want to stay behind to lead the game" to "trust me infinity"
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Post Post #790 (ISO) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:53 pm

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In post 775, inutile wrote:mm, were these the only interactions you looked at?
I looked through infinity too but wanted a reaction first
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Post Post #791 (ISO) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:53 pm

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In post 788, inutile wrote:infinity only cleared you, but its probably town indicative, yeah? like there's no immediate pressure for mafia here and there's no expectation for you to accept?
infinity was willing to trust murdercat as well
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Post Post #792 (ISO) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:54 pm

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In post 787, humaneatingmonkey wrote:how does the paragon of mafia hunters decide this is an okay result for this game where he's town
I had a typo in that post
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Post Post #793 (ISO) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:54 pm

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In post 789, humaneatingmonkey wrote:how does the paragon of mafia hunters change from "i want to stay behind to lead the game" to "trust me infinity"
It was for reactions to see if infinity would jump at it
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Post Post #794 (ISO) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:55 pm

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In post 785, humaneatingmonkey wrote:how does the paragon of mafia hunters get me so wrong, and then devolve into shallow reads like townreading me after S_S flips but not catboi.
In post 787, humaneatingmonkey wrote:
In post 663, MURDERCAT wrote:today is probably hem + hem's #1 scum read and we accept we lose to scum hem now
how does the paragon of mafia hunters decide this is an okay result for this game where he's town
the more damning thing is probably that what it resulted in like

reads everyone had before the prism pairing?

and the reasons given for that being kinda ???
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Post Post #795 (ISO) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:57 pm

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In post 698, MURDERCAT wrote:Infinity what pair do you think should happen next / can you trust me
In post 701, MURDERCAT wrote:I'm not going to accept immediately, I just want to be confirmed
shiki i want to pop the question.
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Post Post #796 (ISO) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:57 pm

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if i trust you, will you end up being town?
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Post Post #797 (ISO) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 4:59 pm

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In post 784, inutile wrote:
In post 783, inutile wrote:
In post 781, humaneatingmonkey wrote:do you think catboi is scum, shiki?
only if going for the like 'no outs' thing
which i mean does happen, but not all that often
actually this:
In post 746, catboi wrote:I had actually been feeling fairly good about Infinity and she was the one I had in mind for clearing but I wanted to revisit the ISO first.
is kinda hmm
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Post Post #798 (ISO) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:00 pm

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In post 796, humaneatingmonkey wrote:if i trust you, will you end up being town?
still town yeah
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Post Post #799 (ISO) » Sat Jul 24, 2021 5:03 pm

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In post 770, humaneatingmonkey wrote:hey catboi, if i trust you, will you be scum?
Nope (this is probably way too late for the reaction test I assume it was supposed to be, on me for not thread camping hard enough)
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