Silent Star 4: Yin and Yang

[Amy Dunne]

@Pooky @Amy

Hypothetically speaking, who would be more likely to be scum for you (in a town!clidd world) between Ydrasse and Chara?

Well if Flea is scum, they way fae is pushing Yydra lim so hard, makes me think they can’t be buddies. I think the way things are going, me and Pooky won’t be alone in the masonry so flipping one mafia could still lose us the game.

Feel better Chara. <3

[Amy Dunne]

hope you are feeling better Ydra! <3

+1

[Amy Dunne]

The villagers give each other solemn looks as they push Morning Tweet forward into the clutches of the Mayor.

Excellent work as always.

A fine criminal indeed

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Morning Tweet was a...

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

Apparently we’re ALL criminals according to this.

[Tanner]

I think the way things are going, me and Pooky won’t be alone in the masonry

this is probably incorrect. there's 7 people alive, 5 of which are town, and 3 of which are non-confirmed townies (i.e. not you or pooky). town wincon is sentencing 5 townies, we've sentenced 2 of them, which means we need 3 more.

we need to sentence every single living town member to win. if scum has another "nightkill" and they make another townie unsentenceable, the game is mechanically lost for town. and considering nobody is coming out celebrating their scum victory, i'm assuming that's not the case.

[Amy Dunne]

I think the way things are going, me and Pooky won’t be alone in the masonry

this is probably incorrect. there's 7 people alive, 5 of which are town, and 3 of which are non-confirmed townies (i.e. not you or pooky). town wincon is sentencing 5 townies, we've sentenced 2 of them, which means we need 3 more.

we need to sentence every single living town member to win. if scum has another "nightkill" and they make another townie unsentenceable, the game is mechanically lost for town. and considering nobody is coming out celebrating their scum victory, i'm assuming that's not the case.

So you think no one else gets sentenced. Yeah I guess that makes sense because game would end tonight regardless if we get it right or not.

I’m okay with voting you, so now we need to figure out who else is town. Could it be Flea/Chara?

[Amy Dunne]

As the sun rises,

Yin and Yang can be seen whispering to one another. Before long they are pointing towards PookyTheMagicalBear.

PookyTheMagicalBear is now masons with Yang and Amy Dunne. PookyTheMagicalBear is confirmed to be town and can no longer be sentenced.

Yin and Yang both chose Pooky? Is Yang also scum?

[Tanner]

So you think no one else gets sentenced. Yeah I guess that makes sense because game would end tonight regardless if we get it right or not.

I’m okay with voting you, so now we need to figure out who else is town. Could it be Flea/Chara?

i don't know, i'm just saying. if scum has another "make a townie unsenteceable" shot, this game is literally already lost and hectic is kind of an asshole for not calling it, so i'm assuming it's not the case.

(if i had to guess, i'd guess the next two nights will be classic nightkills on the two masons, so that the game starts approaching 3p lylo, if we don't win before that.)

clidd/ydrasse? ehh. still need to actually read the ydra wall (phoneposting over dinner rn) and i'll get back to you on that. i thought you townread ydrasse?

or if that's saying you think flea/chara are scum - could be i guess? like i said, after another mason got revealed, my "flea is town because fae is insisting on not getting voted" read lost a lot of its meaning i think. and i do think the flea hard pushing ydrasse immediately is weird of they're scum together.

though i think i found an interaction earlier that struck me as non-s/s between chara and flea, so gth right now i'd say this is clidd/flea, but uhh. game hard.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if they do the game is not winnable from the beginning so no reason to think they do and no need to think about it.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Datisi, why do you think the scum decided to mason me instead of you?

[Tanner]

Given we've no way to verify night actions, the claim request is pointless.

how do you know this?

i'd still like to know how you're aware of this, Flea.

I assume there's no PRs in this kinda game, quite simply.

^^ this interaction struck me as anti-partnery. like, flea has just "slipped" about "knowing" that the game is all vanilla, and chara doubles down on it and pushes fae to respond to it? i know scum often likes to distance, but i have a feeling this kinda distancing often isn't what scum first thinks of

but *again*, i don't think chara used this ever again after the interaction, and it did keep voting flea, so if they were planning distancing for now (since i imagine scum wants to look Not Aligned in the endgame), then /shrug

[Tanner]

Datisi, why do you think the scum decided to mason me instead of you?

hm. because they don't know how much of an idiot i am in endgames, because they think i'm still pushable, because they want flea's tunnel on the yin solve to continue for a little longer, because you were being locktowned by literally everyone, because you have a wrong read on Someone here...

i dunno, a lot of ideas come to mind, the one where you're clearly town to everyone seems most likely. like, you definitely feel like the utr that rocks the least boats and closes the least avenues by becoming a mason.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think its fairly universally known that I wanted to send you out next after Tweet and you are probly getting yeeted today.

so you'd have to be right on something that I'm wrong on for them to prefer me to you if you are town no?

and you have a pretty good endgame tbh.

[Amy Dunne]

So you think no one else gets sentenced. Yeah I guess that makes sense because game would end tonight regardless if we get it right or not.

I’m okay with voting you, so now we need to figure out who else is town. Could it be Flea/Chara?

i don't know, i'm just saying. if scum has another "make a townie unsenteceable" shot, this game is literally already lost and hectic is kind of an asshole for not calling it, so i'm assuming it's not the case.

(if i had to guess, i'd guess the next two nights will be classic nightkills on the two masons, so that the game starts approaching 3p lylo, if we don't win before that.)

clidd/ydrasse? ehh. still need to actually read the ydra wall (phoneposting over dinner rn) and i'll get back to you on that. i thought you townread ydrasse?

or if that's saying you think flea/chara are scum - could be i guess? like i said, after another mason got revealed, my "flea is town because fae is insisting on not getting voted" read lost a lot of its meaning i think. and i do think the flea hard pushing ydrasse immediately is weird of they're scum together.

though i think i found an interaction earlier that struck me as non-s/s between chara and flea, so gth right now i'd say this is clidd/flea, but uhh. game hard.

Could be, so maybe we go with you first, than Ydra, than pray?

I think you could be right because Chara really doesn’t sound similar here to Pokemon Battles and similar to FL v Hectic.

So I think we do you - Ydra - Chara and hope that’s correct. NKs might possibly happen since Pooky and I have two votes but that’s my current solve.

If anyone flips mafia, then Clidd? I think Clidd feels differently here than in Nancy v Titus but it’s not a strong read. Flea is either scum or not reading the game, since neither you and Chara look like you’re “doing busywork”. If that can accurately apply to anyone here, it’s Flea.

[Amy Dunne]

Datisi, why do you think the scum decided to mason me instead of you?

No one is pushing you? You were locktown by everyone.

[Amy Dunne]

Given we've no way to verify night actions, the claim request is pointless.

how do you know this?

i'd still like to know how you're aware of this, Flea.

I assume there's no PRs in this kinda game, quite simply.

^^ this interaction struck me as anti-partnery. like, flea has just "slipped" about "knowing" that the game is all vanilla, and chara doubles down on it and pushes fae to respond to it? i know scum often likes to distance, but i have a feeling this kinda distancing often isn't what scum first thinks of

but *again*, i don't think chara used this ever again after the interaction, and it did keep voting flea, so if they were planning distancing for now (since i imagine scum wants to look Not Aligned in the endgame), then /shrug

I think they’re might be others but who knows?

Flea said to both Ydra and Clidd that fae knew they were both town. What do you make of that?

[Tanner]

i think its fairly universally known that I wanted to send you out next after Tweet and you are probly getting yeeted today.

so you'd have to be right on something that I'm wrong on for them to prefer me to you if you are town no?

i am probably getting yeeted yes, and if i had been mason'd then you'd be getting yeeted, so they don't "gain" anything there.

if i had to think of reasons why they'd rather have you longer in the game than me - i hadn't given strong reads yet. coming into today, scum potentially has no idea which way i'm gonna swing, because god knows it could go anywhere. to the contrary, you have given a clear suspect in ydrasse.

this would i guess tie into flea/(clidd/chara) theory, but i'm hesitant on relying toooo much on such analysis, so take it as you will.

and if flea is *not* scum, this keeps fae tunnelled on me for longer. and if i *then* flip (which i most likely will today), flea looks worse tomorrow for having kept the lol tunnel on me. if they had mason'd me, flea would've been out of the tunnel immediately, and again, without having given a hint what flea thinks otherwise, god knows.

so like. you being mason'd over me keeps the gamestate the most "stable" for scum i think.

[Tanner]

Flea said to both Ydra and Clidd that fae knew they were both town. What do you make of that?

it's faer conviction that the scum are me/chara, so everyone else is town. i don't particularly think anything of it that i haven't said about faer tunnel already.

[Amy Dunne]

i think its fairly universally known that I wanted to send you out next after Tweet and you are probly getting yeeted today.

so you'd have to be right on something that I'm wrong on for them to prefer me to you if you are town no?

and you have a pretty good endgame tbh.

I think it has everything to do with Flea pushing Tanner more than anything else.

I think we should 100% never sentence Flea no matter who flips what. I don’t see a world whee fae is town here.

[Tanner]

hmm. pooky, do you think me/flea this game is comparable to me/krazy in chara's folly? i thought of that game after typing out 4140. sure, you getting mason'd keeps the game most stable, but does scum!flea want the game to be stable? or like, when krazy ic'ed me (and i was arguably the "unstabling ic"), he didn't want the game to be stable because he was in the collective poe.

am i overthinking this? i feel like i'm committing *some* sorta fallacy by comparing the two situations abd thinking how scum!flea would've mason'd me. ugh...

somehow in typing out this, i've convinced myself that ydrasse is town because she would've mason'd me and idk anymore

i mean if pooky dies first she probably gets out the game at some point, and i don't think i caught what pooky's read on her was after tweetie got her case out anyway

this is why i hate nightkill analysis. or rather, nightmasoning analysis

[Amy Dunne]

im actually thinking maybe flea is town because theres no way anyone picks flea to endgame over infinity

This post got me thinking would scum really have wanted Infinity before Nakata? More likely, they just went along with because they figured when Ydrasse caught her ellitelling, she was fucked regardless.

[Amy Dunne]

hmm. pooky, do you think me/flea this game is comparable to me/krazy in chara's folly? i thought of that game after typing out 4140. sure, you getting mason'd keeps the game most stable, but does scum!flea want the game to be stable? or like, when krazy ic'ed me (and i was arguably the "unstabling ic"), he didn't want the game to be stable because he was in the collective poe.

am i overthinking this? i feel like i'm committing *some* sorta fallacy by comparing the two situations abd thinking how scum!flea would've mason'd me. ugh...

somehow in typing out this, i've convinced myself that ydrasse is town because she would've mason'd me and idk anymore

i mean if pooky dies first she probably gets out the game at some point, and i don't think i caught what pooky's read on her was after tweetie got her case out anyway

this is why i hate nightkill analysis. or rather, nightmasoning analysis

Yeah, I think she’s probably town. I’m extremely good at reading her. I think scum really wanted Nakata before Infinity and Flea kept saying how pissed fae was that fae didn’t get stumped in Royalty, so maybe that was the actual plan then? Maybe Flea was supposed to get limmed before Infinty?

I think had we limmed Nakata first, we probably would have never limmed Robert because they were so obviously unaligned. I think that’s why scum wanted Nakata limmed before Infinity.

[Amy Dunne]

So if my theory’s correct that scum needed Nakata flipped before Infinity to prevent Robert elim, which I think I’m right about, pretty damn sure we don’t hit mafia with either Tanner or Ydra.

[Flea The Magician]

As the sun rises, Yin and Yang can be seen whispering to one another. Before long they are pointing towards PookyTheMagicalBear.

PookyTheMagicalBear is now masons with Yang and Amy Dunne. PookyTheMagicalBear is confirmed to be town and can no longer be sentenced.

So this is scum’s plan. Every night that will prevent a townie from being sentenced. :/

Gotta admit, that's an amazing nightkill mechanic.

Ooooh no, I mentioned mech again.

[Flea The Magician]

As the sun rises,

Yin and Yang can be seen whispering to one another. Before long they are pointing towards PookyTheMagicalBear.

PookyTheMagicalBear is now masons with Yang and Amy Dunne. PookyTheMagicalBear is confirmed to be town and can no longer be sentenced.

Yin and Yang both chose Pooky? Is Yang also scum?

They are the 3rd faction.

[Flea The Magician]

If anyone flips mafia, then Clidd? I think Clidd feels differently here than in Nancy v Titus but it’s not a strong read. Flea is either scum or not reading the game, since neither you and Chara look like you’re “doing busywork”. If that can accurately apply to anyone here, it’s Flea.

Oh yea absolutely.

I've just spent the last few days putting all my energy into trying to get people to go with my plan just to have it lit and shoved where sun don't shine.
Not like I've spent the entire game resolving the mech aspect and writing out for ya'll to see what I'm thinking.
Not like I've actually been fully transparent in all this...


Not only that, I've spent the entire time saying I'm not being voted out and then those two ACTUALLY GO AND CASE me not being voted out, despite that I'm a USR anyway.
Why case a USR to help them in getting what they want?

To look good that's why.