Silent Star 4: Yin and Yang

[pj harvey dent]

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Votecount 5.1

[2] Tanner:

Tanner, clidd

[1] Ydrasse:

Flea The Magician

[4] Not Voting:

Amy Dunne, Ydrasse, PookyTheMagicalBear, Chara

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to sentence. If there is no majority by the deadline, plurality will decide.

The deadline is in (expired on 2021-08-01 12:00:12).

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[Flea The Magician]

i think its fairly universally known that I wanted to send you out next after Tweet and you are probly getting yeeted today.

so you'd have to be right on something that I'm wrong on for them to prefer me to you if you are town no?

and you have a pretty good endgame tbh.

I think it has everything to do with Flea pushing Tanner more than anything else.

I think we should 100% never sentence Flea no matter who flips what. I don’t see a world whee fae is town here.

rofl.

[Flea The Magician]

hmm. pooky, do you think me/flea this game is comparable to me/krazy in chara's folly? i thought of that game after typing out 4140. sure, you getting mason'd keeps the game most stable, but does scum!flea want the game to be stable? or like, when krazy ic'ed me (and i was arguably the "unstabling ic"), he didn't want the game to be stable because he was in the collective poe.

am i overthinking this? i feel like i'm committing *some* sorta fallacy by comparing the two situations abd thinking how scum!flea would've mason'd me. ugh...

somehow in typing out this, i've convinced myself that ydrasse is town because she would've mason'd me and idk anymore

i mean if pooky dies first she probably gets out the game at some point, and i don't think i caught what pooky's read on her was after tweetie got her case out anyway

this is why i hate nightkill analysis. or rather, nightmasoning analysis

Yeah, I think she’s probably town. I’m extremely good at reading her. I think scum really wanted Nakata before Infinity and Flea kept saying how pissed fae was that fae didn’t get stumped in Royalty, so maybe that was the actual plan then? Maybe Flea was supposed to get limmed before Infinty?

I think had we limmed Nakata first, we probably would have never limmed Robert because they were so obviously unaligned. I think that’s why scum wanted Nakata limmed before Infinity.

You realise in royalty I lol hammered my strongest TR.
I immediately and completely tanked all my towncred but my team thought I could recover. There was no way.

[Flea The Magician]

If I want to be D1'd, I openwolf, and openwolf hard. I dont set up anything after that. If anything I'd aim to be 2nd or 3rd out and I'd stay the hell away from mech.

[Amy Dunne]

hmm. pooky, do you think me/flea this game is comparable to me/krazy in chara's folly? i thought of that game after typing out 4140. sure, you getting mason'd keeps the game most stable, but does scum!flea want the game to be stable? or like, when krazy ic'ed me (and i was arguably the "unstabling ic"), he didn't want the game to be stable because he was in the collective poe.

am i overthinking this? i feel like i'm committing *some* sorta fallacy by comparing the two situations abd thinking how scum!flea would've mason'd me. ugh...

somehow in typing out this, i've convinced myself that ydrasse is town because she would've mason'd me and idk anymore

i mean if pooky dies first she probably gets out the game at some point, and i don't think i caught what pooky's read on her was after tweetie got her case out anyway

this is why i hate nightkill analysis. or rather, nightmasoning analysis

Yeah, I think she’s probably town. I’m extremely good at reading her. I think scum really wanted Nakata before Infinity and Flea kept saying how pissed fae was that fae didn’t get stumped in Royalty, so maybe that was the actual plan then? Maybe Flea was supposed to get limmed before Infinty?

I think had we limmed Nakata first, we probably would have never limmed Robert because they were so obviously unaligned. I think that’s why scum wanted Nakata limmed before Infinity.

You realise in royalty I lol hammered my strongest TR.
I immediately and completely tanked all my towncred but my team thought I could recover. There was no way.

The Hopkirk wagon was literally the entire scumteam + Pooky.

[Flea The Magician]

Look at the hammer on it Amy...

[Flea The Magician]

TRUE Win Conditions:

There are 4 mafia and 9 town in this game. Mafia win by sentencing all 4 of their members. Town win by sentencing 5 townies. Town are under the impression they should be sentencing mafia, but once two mafia have been sentenced, the true wincons will be revealed publicly. Mafia were aware of all this.

omg even better this is YOLO!!!
AAHAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHA

We have to eliminate 3.
We only have 3.

Absolutely amazing we need to perfect play this.

I am absolutely never voting Tanner.

[Ydrasse]

well we can just... vote around you? the majority right now is four and me + tanner + amy + pooky + also clidd are all willing to vote tanner so

[Tanner]

UNVOTE: tanner

anyone wanna let me do the hammertest? :3

[Amy Dunne]

If I want to be D1'd, I openwolf, and openwolf hard. I dont set up anything after that. If anything I'd aim to be 2nd or 3rd out and I'd stay the hell away from mech.

My main point is that there’s no way Robert would have gotten sentenced after Nakata but I could see a world where scum might have wanted to keep him around post-reveal for miselimbait because Robert/Nakata being unaligned looks less likely post-reveal and especially after Tanner townflip, so I think scum needed Nakata to be limmed first and Tanner, Norwee, Ydra pretty much ruined that. Because Nakata lim happening first, would have made reveal happen D3 instead of D4.

[Flea The Magician]

hmm. Scum shouldn't have any more removal ability, but, that explains why 2 are masons so scum can't just Majority yeet.

[Flea The Magician]

well we can just... vote around you? the majority right now is four and me + tanner + amy + pooky + also clidd are all willing to vote tanner so

yeah I know, I just find it hilarious.

[Amy Dunne]

Scum probably wanted Robert to be kept around post-reveal as a potential sr. His D2 lim was an accident. Because pretty no one wanted to vote Nakata D2 because of Infy tunnel. It was only after Robert townflip that he was potentially limmible.

[Amy Dunne]

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Votecount 2.5

(FINAL)

[6] Robert M Hunter:

Ydrasse, Tanner, Robert M Hunter, Ircher, clidd, PookyTheMagicalBear

HAMMER

[1] Satoru Nakata:

Morning Tweet

[1] Flea The Magician:

Chara

[1] Tanner:

Flea The Magician

[2] Not Voting:

Amy Dunne, Satoru Nakata

With 11 alive, it took 6 to sentence.

The deadline was (expired on 2021-07-17 20:00:50).

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Tanner/Ydra both early on Robert.

[Tanner]

im actually thinking maybe flea is town because theres no way anyone picks flea to endgame over infinity

This post got me thinking would scum really have wanted Infinity before Nakata? More likely, they just went along with because they figured when Ydrasse caught her ellitelling, she was fucked regardless.

i had a thought about infy/nakata at some point yesterday... i had a feeling that nakata was not supposed to go down in the First Stage of the game. mainly because infinity's read on nakata seemed like old-school distancing i guess? like i find it difficult to believe that they had infinity consistently push nakata (more or less) to then plan for nakata to go down right after her.

or maybe i'm looking at it wrong and nakata was the one who was supposed to go down instead, and his constant avoidance of infinity was meant to make her be able to deepwolf later on. but that would mean that a third scum was supposed to fall after nakata, and uh. this is why this game annoys me, it's wifom galore and we don't even know if scum had the game go according to plan or if they were winging it

[Chara]

i also thought Nakata wasn't intended to be eliminated early.

[Amy Dunne]

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Votecount 1.24

(FINAL)

[7] Infinity 324:

Tanner, Ydrasse, NorwegianboyEE, Amy Dunne, Ircher, Chara, clidd

HAMMER

[3] Ircher:

PookyTheMagicalBear, Robert M Hunter, Morning Tweet

[2] Satoru Nakata:

Infinity 324, Flea The Magician

[1] Morning Tweet:

Satoru Nakata

With 13 alive, it took 7 to sentence.

The deadline was (expired on 2021-07-07 18:10:20).

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I think Chara/Clidd seems unlikely but possible but more likely Flea + 1 of them.

So we just figure out which is town between Clidd/Chara and hopefully we can still pull this out.

I think Pooky’s analysis is likely wrong based on my theory.

It’s also unlikely scum could have anticipated Robert acting so weird D2.

[Tanner]

i'm wondering if i should reverse my d2 scumread on chara. because i thought it had s/s relations with infinity. but now that the wincons are revealed to be the inverse of what they usually are, i should townread its relations with infy? lol idk

[Amy Dunne]

im actually thinking maybe flea is town because theres no way anyone picks flea to endgame over infinity

This post got me thinking would scum really have wanted Infinity before Nakata? More likely, they just went along with because they figured when Ydrasse caught her ellitelling, she was fucked regardless.

i had a thought about infy/nakata at some point yesterday... i had a feeling that nakata was not supposed to go down in the First Stage of the game. mainly because infinity's read on nakata seemed like old-school distancing i guess? like i find it difficult to believe that they had infinity consistently push nakata (more or less) to then plan for nakata to go down right after her.

or maybe i'm looking at it wrong and nakata was the one who was supposed to go down instead, and his constant avoidance of infinity was meant to make her be able to deepwolf later on. but that would mean that a third scum was supposed to fall after nakata, and uh. this is why this game annoys me, it's wifom galore and we don't even know if scum had the game go according to plan or if they were winging it

Well I could see Infinity following Nakata more than the other way around but I don’t think anyone wanted to vote outside of Infinity/Nakata/Ircher D1 or Robert/Nakata D2 and Nakata was very clearly obvscum by D3.

Ydrasse even said something about getting Infinity if Nakata flipped scum, so she was definitely meant to outlast him.

[Tanner]

amy, i'm not sure your view of the game is exactly correct right now, mostly because flea's voting patterns on day 1. i think it was brought up earlier (by you? i don't remember) that flea was sitting on my vanity wagon while nakata had a real chance to get yeeted, but once the wagons shifted to infinity, fae finally jumped off me to nakata. (checking the votecounts, fae was either not voting or on me during that time.) if fae is scum, and scum was planning that hard to yeet nakata first... i don't think scum!flea would've been dancing around the wagon like that? though seeing all of infinity/clidd/chara were voting there, if you're right about ydra!town, maybe scum didn't want for all of them to vote nakata.

[Flea The Magician]

i'm wondering if i should reverse my d2 scumread on chara. because i thought it had s/s relations with infinity. but now that the wincons are revealed to be the inverse of what they usually are, i should townread its relations with infy? lol idk

This is gorgeous.

[clidd]

@Chara

What do you think about Ydrasse being eliminated after Tanner?

[Amy Dunne]

i'm wondering if i should reverse my d2 scumread on chara. because i thought it had s/s relations with infinity. but now that the wincons are revealed to be the inverse of what they usually are, i should townread its relations with infy? lol idk

Idk maybe?

If Flea’s scum and we followed faer plan and Clidd flips mafia than fae could I suppose still try to push either of you but?

I currently like Chara’s ISO better than Clidd’s. Clidd was super aggressive in pushing his reads in me v Titus. Here it almost feels like he’s phoning it in?

[Tanner]

Ydrasse even said something about getting Infinity if Nakata flipped scum, so she was definitely meant to outlast him.

you think so? i guess that's one possible conclusion from that, but like i said, i can easily see nakata's "i don't wanna vote infinity, she will be sortable later " to be meant as a deepwolf setup - sure, it makes nakata look *worse* on the day after infinity flip, but it also makes him look that much better after infinity flip + reversed wincons, no?

and damn if that ydrasse infy/nakata s/s read isn't still ringing to me as potential tmi... i keep sitting down to read ydra's wall and then i keep distracting by whatever y'all are posting lol

[Tanner]

If Flea’s scum and we followed faer plan and Clidd flips mafia than fae could I suppose still try to push either of you but?

i mean, fae would have to, if we flip a scum then the game is potentially marching to a final 1v1, and i'm assuming fae doesn't get out before that 1v1, so, yeah?

but also flea has given very *very* few reads that weren't related to mech. so realistically, scum!flea would be starting with an almost clean slate after having faer "theory" proven wrong.