Silent Star 4: Yin and Yang

[Amy Dunne]

amy, i'm not sure your view of the game is exactly correct right now, mostly because flea's voting patterns on day 1. i think it was brought up earlier (by you? i don't remember) that flea was sitting on my vanity wagon while nakata had a real chance to get yeeted, but once the wagons shifted to infinity, fae finally jumped off me to nakata. (checking the votecounts, fae was either not voting or on me during that time.) if fae is scum, and scum was planning that hard to yeet nakata first... i don't think scum!flea would've been dancing around the wagon like that? though seeing all of infinity/clidd/chara were voting there, if you're right about ydra!town, maybe scum didn't want for all of them to vote nakata.

Yeah well a scum flip is still a scumflip, so maybe that’s why? I think scum really didn’t have a lot of choice to flip it because Ydra and Norwee were extremely determined and they would have presumably looked bad after Infy flip and scum had to get Nakata out next, so maybe didn’t want to make waves because they knew he was never getting sentenced post-reveal anyway.

[Flea The Magician]

Oh I've already said I have tradmaf reads.

Oddly enough they align with my mech reads rn.

Well, small lie, Chara and clidd are in similar territory, but clidd is the better of the two.

[Flea The Magician]

Annoyingly the realisation that I need to be yeet one way or another actually pisses me off, because even though I'm 100% right, until the end game nobody is going to believe it.

[Chara]

@Chara

What do you think about Ydrasse being eliminated after Tanner?

i'm okay with that but i want to see her answers first. and also want an opportunity to read before we elim.

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: infinity

Spoiler:

i okay with this. my mentality when thinking about infinity went: "oh, i remember i didn't like something she did early game", read her iso, went "oh yeah, i didn't remember this, but it's bad when i'm looking at it again." she doesn't feel like she's... herself, this is hard to describe unless you've played with her a lot. town her is more Here and in the moment, free-flowing and though she sometimes gets flak early game it usually clears up even during d1. and the fact that it isn't happening here is like. ya okay her being off wasn't just a fleeting thing.

i think there's something to be said about satoru's unwilingness to vote infinity and positing her as someone who can be read later, while also... like. to me, the mentality about robert (we should get him out now as he's bait and we will not be able to solve him at all late game and he will just get killed by scum into a loss) (which i think is a scummy mindset in general; i lost a post i was trying to write earlier when my spare laptop's battery died wherein, i felt like satoru did none of the legwork to solve robert and was just fine kicking him over and see what he flipped which is the /exact/ sort of mindset that he's like, talking about will happen later down the line) isn't being extended to infinity, which doesn't make sense because like... what is a mt vote doing right now? why not vote someone you scumlean when there's a wagon on her when it will let 1) town!satoru live longer to do things and 2) fits into the mentality of "well all scum die eventually."

idk. just going like "any scumflip is good even if it's low info lol" and then going "nah better targets atm" when his life is on the line is dumb as fuck.

if infinity flips scum i'm going to kill satoru or die trying tomorrow. i haven't felt this confident on my reads since titus v nancy drew and i was on fucking FIRE there.

Actually it was the other way around but Ydrasse but having rolled scum with Ydra, I think she far more self-aware as scum.

[Amy Dunne]

Annoyingly the realisation that I need to be yeet one way or another actually pisses me off, because even though I'm 100% right, until the end game nobody is going to believe it.

You keep saying that but when has town!you ever had perfect reads?

[Tanner]

i'm reading that ydra wall and i'm like
both scum and town on her again
why

given the way i perceive you in my head would be more nervous/unhappy with being scum. i know that that's something easily fakeable but to me (and this is mean maybe? sorry) i do see you like a hand-wringing woe is me sort of scum player who like, even on an alt doesnt just come out and post something like that at all when you don't have to even acknowledge it imo?

this part kind of confuses me - where did you get that vibe about me? or rather, i don't have a feeling myself that i was giving off that vibe in 2175, so i'm curious where is this coming from?

you did lose me for a while in the robert area v satoru area but i just didn't agree at the moment, there were times where i went like "what is he doing" and i wasn't like, 100% sold but i felt good about you still? your actions didn't feel like they added up to something scum wanted to do because you were kind of like, a bit all over the place and the robert thing was going on too and it didn't make sense for you to scream about that compared to other stuff you could have been doing like letting the ircher wagon just go through

you uh. totally lost me here.

because i rely on tonal familiarity a lot when im trying to solve things

this sounded fine until it didn't - do you think you have a good grasp on the tonal differences between scum! and town!me?

[Tanner]

VOTE: infinity

Spoiler:

i okay with this. my mentality when thinking about infinity went: "oh, i remember i didn't like something she did early game", read her iso, went "oh yeah, i didn't remember this, but it's bad when i'm looking at it again." she doesn't feel like she's... herself, this is hard to describe unless you've played with her a lot. town her is more Here and in the moment, free-flowing and though she sometimes gets flak early game it usually clears up even during d1. and the fact that it isn't happening here is like. ya okay her being off wasn't just a fleeting thing.

i think there's something to be said about satoru's unwilingness to vote infinity and positing her as someone who can be read later, while also... like. to me, the mentality about robert (we should get him out now as he's bait and we will not be able to solve him at all late game and he will just get killed by scum into a loss) (which i think is a scummy mindset in general; i lost a post i was trying to write earlier when my spare laptop's battery died wherein, i felt like satoru did none of the legwork to solve robert and was just fine kicking him over and see what he flipped which is the /exact/ sort of mindset that he's like, talking about will happen later down the line) isn't being extended to infinity, which doesn't make sense because like... what is a mt vote doing right now? why not vote someone you scumlean when there's a wagon on her when it will let 1) town!satoru live longer to do things and 2) fits into the mentality of "well all scum die eventually."

idk. just going like "any scumflip is good even if it's low info lol" and then going "nah better targets atm" when his life is on the line is dumb as fuck.

if infinity flips scum i'm going to kill satoru or die trying tomorrow. i haven't felt this confident on my reads since titus v nancy drew and i was on fucking FIRE there.

Actually it was the other way around but Ydrasse but having rolled scum with Ydra, I think she far more self-aware as scum.

yeah that's what's getting at me - if ydrasse is scum in this game, she has absolutely decided to unapologetically powerwolf the everloving shit out of this game, and i don't think that's the mental model i connect with scum!ydrasse?

[clidd]

with recent events clidd's behavior could come from town

Hum, not sure if scum!Ydrasse would post this.

[Flea The Magician]

Annoyingly the realisation that I need to be yeet one way or another actually pisses me off, because even though I'm 100% right, until the end game nobody is going to believe it.

You keep saying that but when has town!you ever had perfect reads?

My D1 scumping is getting pretty freaking good...
My [redacted] play is also improving massively...
As is my reads, rarely perfect but I'm still getting pretty damned good at this :p

[Flea The Magician]

i'm reading that ydra wall and i'm like
both scum and town on her again
why

given the way i perceive you in my head would be more nervous/unhappy with being scum. i know that that's something easily fakeable but to me (and this is mean maybe? sorry) i do see you like a hand-wringing woe is me sort of scum player who like, even on an alt doesnt just come out and post something like that at all when you don't have to even acknowledge it imo?

this part kind of confuses me - where did you get that vibe about me? or rather, i don't have a feeling myself that i was giving off that vibe in 2175, so i'm curious where is this coming from?

you did lose me for a while in the robert area v satoru area but i just didn't agree at the moment, there were times where i went like "what is he doing" and i wasn't like, 100% sold but i felt good about you still? your actions didn't feel like they added up to something scum wanted to do because you were kind of like, a bit all over the place and the robert thing was going on too and it didn't make sense for you to scream about that compared to other stuff you could have been doing like letting the ircher wagon just go through

you uh. totally lost me here.

because i rely on tonal familiarity a lot when im trying to solve things

this sounded fine until it didn't - do you think you have a good grasp on the tonal differences between scum! and town!me?

Because you need to discredit her enough to get Chara yeet as well?

[Flea The Magician]

VOTE: infinity

Spoiler:

i okay with this. my mentality when thinking about infinity went: "oh, i remember i didn't like something she did early game", read her iso, went "oh yeah, i didn't remember this, but it's bad when i'm looking at it again." she doesn't feel like she's... herself, this is hard to describe unless you've played with her a lot. town her is more Here and in the moment, free-flowing and though she sometimes gets flak early game it usually clears up even during d1. and the fact that it isn't happening here is like. ya okay her being off wasn't just a fleeting thing.

i think there's something to be said about satoru's unwilingness to vote infinity and positing her as someone who can be read later, while also... like. to me, the mentality about robert (we should get him out now as he's bait and we will not be able to solve him at all late game and he will just get killed by scum into a loss) (which i think is a scummy mindset in general; i lost a post i was trying to write earlier when my spare laptop's battery died wherein, i felt like satoru did none of the legwork to solve robert and was just fine kicking him over and see what he flipped which is the /exact/ sort of mindset that he's like, talking about will happen later down the line) isn't being extended to infinity, which doesn't make sense because like... what is a mt vote doing right now? why not vote someone you scumlean when there's a wagon on her when it will let 1) town!satoru live longer to do things and 2) fits into the mentality of "well all scum die eventually."

idk. just going like "any scumflip is good even if it's low info lol" and then going "nah better targets atm" when his life is on the line is dumb as fuck.

if infinity flips scum i'm going to kill satoru or die trying tomorrow. i haven't felt this confident on my reads since titus v nancy drew and i was on fucking FIRE there.

Actually it was the other way around but Ydrasse but having rolled scum with Ydra, I think she far more self-aware as scum.

yeah that's what's getting at me - if ydrasse is scum in this game, she has absolutely decided to unapologetically powerwolf the everloving shit out of this game, and i don't think that's the mental model i connect with scum!ydrasse?

I mean other than she's town and that she doesn't really powerwolf that I know of....

Kinda like shes town and you're trying to discredit :3

[clidd]

@Chara

What do you think about Ydrasse being eliminated after Tanner?

i'm okay with that but i want to see her answers first. and also want an opportunity to read before we elim.

ok, so you don't have her as more likely town between flea and me by poe already?

pedit: bleh, flea openwolfing

[Tanner]

flea. chill. i'm flipping today. if i flip red, you can follow the rest of the townies towards victory. tanner/chara are not winning here.

[Tanner]

lead* the rest of the townies

not follow

i'm tired

[Flea The Magician]

@Chara

What do you think about Ydrasse being eliminated after Tanner?

i'm okay with that but i want to see her answers first. and also want an opportunity to read before we elim.

ok, so you don't have her as more likely town between flea and me by poe already?

pedit: bleh, flea openwolfing

Is it though? is it me openwolfing?

Or is it just me laughing at the fact i've had this solved forever and a smear campaign even got Tweetie to come off the wagon.
Or is me howling with laughter because ya know, I have more evidence supporting me.

Or is it just the level of confidence I have thats throwing you? Because you've dealt with confident me before Clidd, and you scumread me wrongly then too.

[Flea The Magician]

flea. chill. i'm flipping today. if i flip red, you can follow the rest of the townies towards victory. tanner/chara are not winning here.

We both know it won't happen.
We both know my credit is completely shot and you've won this.
Even Amy has said no matter if I'm right or not I'm not being evicted.

I've already said I'm not going to be dignified about this.

[Flea The Magician]

Thing is people don't want to believe the game can be mechsolved because it's Hectic and Isis.

Never mind that we realised through pooky and some other questions that we could gain a PoE.

I think we got stupid lucky.

And then you went and stuffed yourself.

[Flea The Magician]

Spoiler: Trolooololololllolololol lololollllll

• There are 4 criminals (286) across 3 factions (503)
  
  
• The public masonry is not criminal free. (503)
  
  Chara,

  Norwee

  and

  Pooky
  (282)
  
  
• Pooky
  has voted for a criminal as of post 981
  
  Ydrasse,

  Morning Tweet

  , Tanner, Chara
  (982)
  
  
• There is a maximum of 1 criminal in
  Amy
  ,
  Robert
  and Tanner (1254)
  
  
• A member of the scumteam has recieved a maximum of 5 votes. (1254)
  
  Nakata

  ,

  Infinity

  ,

  Ircher
  
  
  
• Amy
  has voted at least 1 criminal.
  
  Chara,

  Ircher

  ,

  Nakata

  ,

  Infinity
  
  
  
• There are no truely criminal in
  Amy
  , Ydrasse and
  Ircher
  .
  
  
• There is at least 1 criminal voting
  Nakata
  in VC 1.11.
  
  Ydrasse,

  Amy Dunne

  , clidd,

  Infinity

  ,

  Morning Tweet

  
  
  
• There is more than 1 criminal in Tanner,
  Amy
  ,
  Robert
  , Ydrasse and Chara. 2154
  
  
• There is a criminal in Tanner, Ydrasse, and
  Ircher
  
  
  
• There is a Criminal in Flea,
  Nakata
  and
  Pooky
  (2355)
  
  
• There are 0 or 2 criminals in
  Morning Tweet
  , clidd,
  Pooky
  
  
  
• Amy
  has voted for a still living criminal (as of this post)
  Chara,
  Ircher
  ,
  Nakata
  ,
  Infinity
  
  
  
• There are criminals inside
  Amy
  , Ydrasse and
  Nakata
  (2806)

Grouplist

• MIN 1 ->
  Chara
  /
  Norwee
  /
  Pooky
  
  
• MIN 1 -> Ydrasse /
  Morning Tweet
  /
  Tanner
  /
  Chara
  
  
• MAX 1 ->
  Tanner
  /
  Amy
  /
  Robert
  
  
• MIN 1 ->
  Nakata
  /
  Infinity
  /
  Ircher
  
  
• MIN 2 ->
  Chara
  /
  Ircher
  /
  Nakata
  /
  Infinity
  
  
• MIN 1 -> Ydrasse /
  Amy Dunne
  / clidd /
  Infinity
  /
  Morning Tweet
  
  
• MIN 1 ->
  Tanner
  / Ydrasse /
  Norwee
  
  
• MIN 2 ->
  Tanner
  /
  Amy
  /
  Robert
  / Ydrasse /
  Chara
  
  
• MIN 1 -> Flea /
  Nakata
  /
  Pooky
  
  
• HAS 0 ->
  Morning Tweet
  / Clidd /
  Pooky
  
  
• MIN 1? ->
  Amy
  / Ydrasse /
  Nakata

Clearlist

• Ircher
  - 1656
  
• Ydrasse - 1656
  
• Amy
  - 1656 / D3 Start
  
• Robert
  - PoE bias-clear / D2 flip
  
• Norwee
  - N1 Flip
  
• Flea - 2642

8 in game. 5+1 vs 2
Mislim. 5+1 vs 1
Kill. 4+2 vs 1
Elim. 3+2 vs 1.
Kill. 3+3 vs 1.
Elim 2+3 vs 1.
Kill 1+4 vs 1
Coinflip.

[Amy Dunne]

VOTE: infinity

Spoiler:

i okay with this. my mentality when thinking about infinity went: "oh, i remember i didn't like something she did early game", read her iso, went "oh yeah, i didn't remember this, but it's bad when i'm looking at it again." she doesn't feel like she's... herself, this is hard to describe unless you've played with her a lot. town her is more Here and in the moment, free-flowing and though she sometimes gets flak early game it usually clears up even during d1. and the fact that it isn't happening here is like. ya okay her being off wasn't just a fleeting thing.

i think there's something to be said about satoru's unwilingness to vote infinity and positing her as someone who can be read later, while also... like. to me, the mentality about robert (we should get him out now as he's bait and we will not be able to solve him at all late game and he will just get killed by scum into a loss) (which i think is a scummy mindset in general; i lost a post i was trying to write earlier when my spare laptop's battery died wherein, i felt like satoru did none of the legwork to solve robert and was just fine kicking him over and see what he flipped which is the /exact/ sort of mindset that he's like, talking about will happen later down the line) isn't being extended to infinity, which doesn't make sense because like... what is a mt vote doing right now? why not vote someone you scumlean when there's a wagon on her when it will let 1) town!satoru live longer to do things and 2) fits into the mentality of "well all scum die eventually."

idk. just going like "any scumflip is good even if it's low info lol" and then going "nah better targets atm" when his life is on the line is dumb as fuck.

if infinity flips scum i'm going to kill satoru or die trying tomorrow. i haven't felt this confident on my reads since titus v nancy drew and i was on fucking FIRE there.

Actually it was the other way around but Ydrasse but having rolled scum with Ydra, I think she far more self-aware as scum.

yeah that's what's getting at me - if ydrasse is scum in this game, she has absolutely decided to unapologetically powerwolf the everloving shit out of this game, and i don't think that's the mental model i connect with scum!ydrasse?

Yeah, I think she’d be a lot more self-conscious of doing that as scum. I’ve never ever seen her powerwolf.

[Tanner]

/shrug, correctly tunnelling the deepwolf who managed to fool literally every other person in the game sound like a pretty credit-gaining thing to me, but what do i know.

[Flea The Magician]

in fact looking over that, Clidd is more clear than Ydrasse is Thanks to the "HAS 0"

VOTE: Clidd It's either here or Ydrasse for me anyway.

[Flea The Magician]

oh wait ydrasse is also in a Has 0 group

VOTE: both lol

[Flea The Magician]

The villagers give each other solemn looks as they push Morning Tweet forward into the clutches of the Mayor.

Excellent work as always.

A fine criminal indeed

.

Morning Tweet was a...

Spoiler:

Vanilla Townie

Apparently we’re ALL criminals according to this.

Except me, I am explicitly not a criminal... and there's a couple others who are explicilty not criminal too...

Almost like the criminals are trying to escape... lol

[Amy Dunne]

@Flea,
I just finished 2 towngames with you and in both you were very obviously town and you didn’t nail the scumteam. Your strongest read was town!Titus in Happy Face and you didn’t get that by mech iirc?

And Tanner isn’t discrediting Ydra, she’s still going next.

Tanner wasn’t discrediting her because his conclusion was the same as mine.