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[DkKoba]

better to no lim earlier with a PT cop since guilties are more likely to be disabled the more scum are in the graveyard.

[DkKoba]

So you figure Dwlee/Kyouko is likely then?

Yeah I think the last Scum is between the two. I don’t see Chaos as Scum and everybody else is ruled out in my mind due to mechanics or play.

Cheers - I like this solve too when binning Gamma as town

[Dragon of the West]

plus PT cop prob useless at this stage as we are prob dealing with 1 group scum 1 traitor or just 1 groupscum. so yep

The remaining scum would still have a PT for results purposes though? How is that result useless?

[Andresvmb]

I don’t think we need to no lim honestly, but I think your proposal makes some sense.

I say we execute one of Kyouko and DW, check the other, and force the Scum’s hand. If I’m wrong I don’t think the Scum get away with it anyway - the POE is kind of narrow and they probably need to many mis-executions to win. And I’m not going to be one of them.

[Andresvmb]

^too many.*

[DkKoba]

plus PT cop prob useless at this stage as we are prob dealing with 1 group scum 1 traitor or just 1 groupscum. so yep

The remaining scum would still have a PT for results purposes though? How is that result useless?

1 scum PT returns green on a PT cop

[Andresvmb]

plus PT cop prob useless at this stage as we are prob dealing with 1 group scum 1 traitor or just 1 groupscum. so yep

The remaining scum would still have a PT for results purposes though? How is that result useless?

1 scum PT returns green on a PT cop

Not according to the wiki. A player in a PT by themselves will show up as “having access” to the PT Cop.

[DkKoba]

Note that merely having access to a private topic is not necessarily enough to be able to communicate; there will have to be a second living player in the private topic in question to communicate with...

[Andresvmb]

Yeah but that doesn’t speak to what the result would be for a PT Cop.

[Andresvmb]

Look for PT Cop in the Wiki - it spells out what I’m saying.

[Dragon of the West]

So you figure Dwlee/Kyouko is likely then?

Yeah I think the last Scum is between the two. I don’t see Chaos as Scum and everybody else is ruled out in my mind due to mechanics or play.

I think Andres is town if Gamma flips green. No way Titus and Andres are both scum while sitting in town!Gamma's check pool. But I don't think we should be assuming gamma is cleared at all and they 100% need to be flipped tomorrow. Their claim is convenient based on where the game state was when they claimed and I could easily see them being traitor

[DkKoba]

Oh wait I thought traffic analyst and PT cop were the same. Lmao. Nevermind then we can lim then.

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Dwlee99

[Andresvmb]

What I want is for those who are voting for Chaos to explain themselves outside of DW who already has tried to. I just don’t think TMI and vote parking Scum are particularly strong arguments.

[Dragon of the West]

Tbh if Koba claims I'll vote Kyo instead

[Andresvmb]

So you figure Dwlee/Kyouko is likely then?

Yeah I think the last Scum is between the two. I don’t see Chaos as Scum and everybody else is ruled out in my mind due to mechanics or play.

I think Andres is town if Gamma flips green. No way Titus and Andres are both scum while sitting in town!Gamma's check pool. But I don't think we should be assuming gamma is cleared at all and they 100% need to be flipped tomorrow. Their claim is convenient based on where the game state was when they claimed and I could easily see them being traitor

What I want you to think about and maybe not for this game is whether I would vote park my Partner all of D1, and then make a mechanical argument against my Partner while also suspecting them for other reasons (Titus). You already know that Town make mistakes obviously, but during those times that I’ve been focused, I think I’ve made decent points. I just don’t think you need to wait for Gamma to flip ever which way for me to be cleared. Based on what you’re saying, in the (remote) universe Gamma flips Traitor, I’m Scum. If Gamma flips main Scum, we’ve probably won, and if they flip Town PT Cop, then you’re saying I’m Town. So, what’s stopping you from just calling me Town?

[Andresvmb]

For balance reasons you already don’t think there’s a Traitor (I agree), so I don’t get it. But whatever I mean I don’t need you to clear me, we just need to find the last Scum and win.

[Dragon of the West]

My point is more that you aren't in PoE unless Gamma flips traitor. Even then you aren't a main suspect of mine

[Andresvmb]

There’s also the fact that Kyouko was early on Titus actually. We shouldn’t discount that.

[Andresvmb]

That’s on the day that the wagon actually went through.

[Dragon of the West]

I'll reread Kyo's ISO in the morning. I feel like last time I read it the Titus vote and Kyo's surrounding ISO it didn't seem like town catching scum. Did they hop off the wagon or something?

[Andresvmb]

I'll reread Kyo's ISO in the morning. I feel like last time I read it the Titus vote and Kyo's surrounding ISO it didn't seem like town catching scum. Did they hop off the wagon or something?

Not on the day Titus was executed, no. They defended Rathe and concluded Titus or Chaos made sense as the execution, and voted Titus (while making a slight joke). DW just has a weird progression around Titus that day. It doesn’t read like solving, but instead just a player that can’t get caught away from the Titus wagon that’s relentlessly building. DW even voted Gamma before landing on Titus that day.

[Andresvmb]

I was trying to see how Kyouko’s thinking had progressed, and they have some good posts and at one point they attack nom3 and leave a vote there for some ~400 posts. But they’ve clearly never ended on Scum that I can tell and have consistently voted for Town funny enough. I mean there’s votes for T3, Anya… were not on the final wagons on Titus or osuka as far as I can tell. It’s not a great history.

But yeah no I was wrong here. They didn’t end up on Titus the first time around (when Anya was executed), but they did end up on Titus the day after Anya flipped.

[Dwlee99]

You're actually kidding me here

[Dwlee99]

Am I actually at risk of lim right now?