Silent Star 4: Yin and Yang

[Tanner]

pooky do you think i'm scum here

like has anything in the past few pages shaken your read of me

because i am tired x_x

(ydra i will come back to it later after i digest it a bit better, currently taking a break from some paperwork)

[Ydrasse]

weeeee

[Flea The Magician]

maybe we leave flea/tanner for last

has to be at least one baddy in the two of them right? this can't be T/T

Like I've been saying, leave me Chara and Tanner for last, and we can win.

[Ydrasse]

and np i’m sitting here on break staring at food that i very much don’t want to eat like “i should do it while i have 14 mins left...”

[Flea The Magician]

would you feel ok about betting the game on scumflea tanner?

no

i've learned that town's ability to Do Insane Things is infinite, and from the vibe i get from flea, faer tunnel is not outside faer townrange so no, no i would not

So what is your read on me rn?

[Tanner]

my best bet for scum but not enough that i would outright bet the whole game on it

[Flea The Magician]

so... why is flea acting as if yin confirming fae as not a criminal is somehow clearing? also i'm not being leashed to shit.

This is making me laugh so much given that you think passing a trustfall hammer test conftowns you.

It doesn't even biasconf you let alone mechconf.

{yeah I'm in your ISO again, for some reason}

[Tanner]

it "conftowns" me in a sense that scum!me always takes the opportunity to gtfo. i know it doesn't literally conftown me - but after a passed hammer test, i'm literally always getting flipped, and hectic will conftown me after that. so basically it does.

[Flea The Magician]

No it isn’t because because if either you or Chara flips mafia, we are obviously not going ton yeet the other, which is why I think this.

and if we're both town, then what? you yeet one, and think "well he must have named at least three", and there you go, a townie locked out. or an even better scenario (i know this is not the case, but from a townie's pov), if chara *does* flip mafia, you flip me right after because "no way he named all 4", and then you get fucked over if he did name all 4. it's literally nothing but wifom and you're falling right into it.

This is also hilarious looking back given that you went for me for a similar perspective slip.
Also I love the jump from "If one of you is red, the other isn't getting flipped" to "YEAH BUT WHAT IF WE'RE BOTH TOWN HUH"

Like that wasn't even in there. It was when one of you flips red, not when one of you flips green.

[Flea The Magician]

it "conftowns" me in a sense that scum!me always takes the opportunity to gtfo. i know it doesn't literally conftown me - but after a passed hammer test, i'm literally always getting flipped, and hectic will conftown me after that. so basically it does.

Sorry what?

"Scum me always takes the oppotunity to gtfo"
you mean like you've been crying to get out of here all day and asking NAY DEMANDING to be freed?

You can't pass a trustfall hammer test. Thats the problem here.

And you won't be conftowned. You'll be flipped scum.

Even in the like 1E-10¹⁰⁰% chance I'm wrong, you're then flipped town, not conftown #semanticsTrollTime

[Flea The Magician]

You are literally demanding to be given the oppotunity to self-clear.

Vote yourself already. Let town judge you properly.

[Flea The Magician]

i am ready to scream at any two of clidd/pooky/chara/amy that i need so that they vote for me, i write a "not hammering myself" post so that we can see flea's head explode. and theni'm hammering myself and getting out of here.

Oh hey look what I just found, didn't realise I was so close to it.

Also your chara reads this game are beautiful, can I just say.

I admit I was wrong, you weren't exactly SR'ing it... but this is still beautiful.

[Tanner]

so when i *don't* hammer myself, will you admit i'm town or will you go back to saying i'm trying to mastermind my partner getting yeeted first?

[Flea The Magician]

so when i *don't* hammer myself, will you admit i'm town or will you go back to saying i'm trying to mastermind my partner getting yeeted first?

There's been a time I haven't said that?
o.o

The spear-esque headache must be worse than I thought.

All you have to do is discredit 1 player enough to ensure that Chara is yeet before them, independently of you.
You don't have to support Chara, you just have to shit on others enough that chara comes out townier.

[Flea The Magician]

you only need one person to trust you in trust fall

in this game you’re trying to get everyone to trust you and your partner more than the towniest people, and i’m gonna assume you’re not partnered with mt/tanner, so like of course you don’t get to play this setup like trust fall? what?

In Trust Fall as well as this game, the only thing the scum have to do is make sure the bottom 2 least trusted people are town.

I don't have to make anyone doubt you to win, I can just target the LHFs in this town if I am scum. For example, Clidd/Chara/Flea are all easier targets for scum!me than you. Even if you assume one of them is my partner, I can simply target the other two.

[Flea The Magician]

AHAHAHAHAHA

DO YOU REMEMBER THIS POST TANNER!??!



W I L D

WHAT THE FUCK

NO

i'm so tempted to pull a guill here and just starting running on HAAAH YOU TMI'D YOU TMI'D xD

[Flea The Magician]

Context is incredibly fucking important. What do you lose from me, you, chara and someone else being in YOLO with Amy?

(1) lylo is a fucking nightmare and i prefer to avoid that shit like the plague. (2) if both scum are outside of that, we lose. (because frankly i don't have too much faith in you breaking out of your yin tunnel even if we flip a scum outside the criminals because you're already finding every single thing i did in this game scummy and i bet you could do the same for chara.) (3) if there's 1 scum in that, i have to scream at someone while the deciding vote will be a townie who scumreads me. no thanks.

I'm noticing a pattern...

You really do like going to extremes. I am amused.
you already mused on what you call my "plan B" which frankly was me openly stating tradmaf tactics.

And I'd said repeatedly that the moment I'm disproven, I will drop the yin mech.

you are literally fighting tooth and nail to not be in the last few and it's hilarious.

[Flea The Magician]

i'm wondering if i should reverse my d2 scumread on chara. because i thought it had s/s relations with infinity. but now that the wincons are revealed to be the inverse of what they usually are, i should townread its relations with infy? lol idk

I FOUND IT.

you did say it

But wait... there's more :3

[Tanner]

You don't have to support Chara, you just have to shit on others enough that chara comes out townier.

because shitting on others, nay, screaming and getting into a wallwar with them, when i'm about to be confirmed to be scum is a *great* way to make the rest of the town think they're my partner! my fucking god, you've solved the game.

[Flea The Magician]

Spoiler: The Cow

i'm also liking chara for ??? reasons idk i'm probably playing with fire here, i've heard spicy things about its scumgame ok cool bye

- chara. i'm not very certain on this, and it's mostly a nullread coupled with "its infinity vote made me raise an eyebrow" and some posts around her feeling "hmm". i haven't yet put too much thought into this, since sorting chara is probably Not Easy, and i don't like using up effort if i don't know if i'm gonna see tomorrow to present that effort. and i know "this person have stronk scumgaem so null" is an extremely annoying thing to hear (i lose my shit every time innocentvillager does it to me, even though more often than not it's a joke), so in advance i'm apologizing for doing that, but. yeah.

chara and tweetie are both rising in my townreads which is good but also uh i'm running out of people that can be scum so maybe that's bad? i actually did get kind of suspicious for chara starting to push flea there because idk. but then it had a "clidd is not obvtown" take which is what i was thinking at the time so then it kind of rose a bit in my reads again and my head is still a mess.

my current "this is probably not it, but holy shit i will laugh if this is it" solve is flea/chara

i actually have a crack theory on flea/chara it's that bad

and yet in spite of myself i kind of want to hear it.

ok so this is not exactly my current thoughts, more like a universe i am considering, but:

so first of all, flea's play this game didn't make sense to me at all. and i'm not talking the mech stuff, i'm talking the votepark on me on d1 and then votepark on nakata and it's all odd. however i think it makes at least some sense if we assume/guess that flea was one of the people that was destined to fall early rather than infinity or nakata. if it seems like fae was consistently trying to single me out, it's not far fetched that someone thinks of us as psrtners. especially since i wasn't exactly attacking fae in return, which could easily be swept as scum wifom. (i mean almost anything can be but you know what i mean.)

the thing that i found really *really* odd is that flea never voted chara even though chara fit the bill of criminal, *and* chara was lower in faer reads than i was. this was excused by flea saying that fae usually doesn't have much faith in faer reads, but it still feels... backwards??

i can't say that flea refusing to play the game is completely scum!indicative bc apparently they're capable of playing it properly as scum so idk.

(sidenote i just realized, pooky said that no? and yet wasn't he on clidd's ass for not providing reads saying that that is scum!indicative but giving flea a pass for that? idk a note to check that later)

but like, i can kind of see flea's plan here of oppose my yeet, then once it happens anyway, do a 180 and push chara through?

actually as i type that out i'm slightly less convinced that that is the case because if that happened, i'm not sure flea gets out of here, but my earlier points of "flea wanting to murder me for being a criminal but completely ignoring chara in that regard" is still valid i think

somewhere along the way this turned into a "hey maybe the team is pooky/flea" but uh i will think about that later, i'm going for a walk now, enjoy this wordvomit i guess

take that i'm not sure makes sense - *if* flea is scum, then faer partner is non-me, non-chara, and they are arguing against yin and pushing for my yeet. i think, if flea is scum here, they need one of me/chara out of this game asap. because fae has committed to screaming how yin is right until fae gets proven wrong, right? and if fae wants to ascend, fae should be broken out of that tunnel asap so that fae can start townspewing in a more... traditional ig sense? so the more time for that, the better?

i tried to remember why i wrote out chara being scum with flea in the first para (not talking about its broader play, i feel like i had some specific associate reason) but other than "flea is trying to murder criminals" i don't even have one, like flea has specifically been trying to murder me rather than flea

and the fact that i cannot remember what i was thinking 3 minutes ago is a sign that recent insomnia is getting to me and that i should try to get more than 6 hours of sleep tonight

i feel like i haven't in a long time

funnily enough as i was reading what i missed, i got the feeling of "hey, wouldn't it be funny if this were a ydra/flea team", though i think that regardless of faer alignment, flea pushes for ydra today so the post above this one isn't that helpful

what did occur to me - flea spent a good amount of time yelling yesterday how it doesn't matter if fae is scum bc fae is never leaving the pit, etc, etc. now this was making me doubt scum!flea because scum!fae *has* to ascend, and it's gonna be really really difficult for fae to suddenly start arguing for faer own spare. since, it seemed like one townie was gonna be able to stay behind.

however, with the reveal that there is another "nightkill" and that we need to spare *all* townies if we wanna win - that gives scum!flea a very easy and natural opening onto pushing faerself (is that the correct form?) as a spare later on. because all town needs to be spared now. if i were to assume that scum knew that they were gonna have another "nightkill" tonight and that the town will have to spare every town member if they wanna win... it's making one of my main doubts on scum!flea kind of disappear right now.

ydra feels like the most likely partner for flea, since chara/flea would be kind of a meme, and clidd/flea would require scum!clidd to blatantly push a pro!town wincon without even trying to grab towncred. i don't think ether are necessarily *impossible*, but gun-to-head that's what i would say.

aaand now that i type that out, i do start thinking how there's been much fewer flea/chara interactions that flea/tanner interactions, and how that's weird if we're both lockscum to fae, but it could be that i'm a much more reactive player to that type of thing than chara. will think about this should it become relevant.

So you think no one else gets sentenced. Yeah I guess that makes sense because game would end tonight regardless if we get it right or not.

I’m okay with voting you, so now we need to figure out who else is town. Could it be Flea/Chara?

i don't know, i'm just saying. if scum has another "make a townie unsenteceable" shot, this game is literally already lost and hectic is kind of an asshole for not calling it, so i'm assuming it's not the case.

(if i had to guess, i'd guess the next two nights will be classic nightkills on the two masons, so that the game starts approaching 3p lylo, if we don't win before that.)

clidd/ydrasse? ehh. still need to actually read the ydra wall (phoneposting over dinner rn) and i'll get back to you on that. i thought you townread ydrasse?

or if that's saying you think flea/chara are scum - could be i guess? like i said, after another mason got revealed, my "flea is town because fae is insisting on not getting voted" read lost a lot of its meaning i think. and i do think the flea hard pushing ydrasse immediately is weird of they're scum together.

though i think i found an interaction earlier that struck me as non-s/s between chara and flea, so gth right now i'd say this is clidd/flea, but uhh. game hard.

Given we've no way to verify night actions, the claim request is pointless.

how do you know this?

i'd still like to know how you're aware of this, Flea.

I assume there's no PRs in this kinda game, quite simply.

^^ this interaction struck me as anti-partnery. like, flea has just "slipped" about "knowing" that the game is all vanilla, and chara doubles down on it and pushes fae to respond to it? i know scum often likes to distance, but i have a feeling this kinda distancing often isn't what scum first thinks of

but *again*, i don't think chara used this ever again after the interaction, and it did keep voting flea, so if they were planning distancing for now (since i imagine scum wants to look Not Aligned in the endgame), then /shrug

Spoiler: The Beef

Go look at his chara reads and make your own conclusions, these are the bulk of the posts indicating a read on Chara.
Chara is practically held at null constantly except when in association with me. There's a couple half arsed efforts to interact there, but there's no actual solid read.

[Flea The Magician]

You don't have to support Chara, you just have to shit on others enough that chara comes out townier.

because shitting on others, nay, screaming and getting into a wallwar with them, when i'm about to be confirmed to be scum is a *great* way to make the rest of the town think they're my partner! my fucking god, you've solved the game.

. <-- Here is the point.









here is you -> o/


You don't even have to associate at all with chara, just disprove at least 1 other person enough that it is generally a more consensus town read.
That's the thing here. You keep going to extremes when in reality the play required is so much more subtle.

[Tanner]

i am flipping first. i am always flipping before chara. in your world, any disproving of you i do will be that of confirmed scum. do you genuinely think that people are not even gonna think about my associates after i flip, but will blindly keep thinking that you're scum? like. i mean at this point i guess i'll take it as a compliment? if my scumgame is able to make people think "hey, i know tanner just flipped scum and he's spent the last *checks notes* entire game slapfighting with flea, but he's disproven fae *so well* that i still think fae is scum"?

[Flea The Magician]

i am flipping first. i am always flipping before chara. in your world, any disproving of you i do will be that of confirmed scum. do you genuinely think that people are not even gonna think about my associates after i flip, but will blindly keep thinking that you're scum? like. i mean at this point i guess i'll take it as a compliment? if my scumgame is able to make people think "hey, i know tanner just flipped scum and he's spent the last *checks notes* entire game slapfighting with flea, but he's disproven fae *so well* that i still think fae is scum"?

The thing is the only associatives between you and chara, are based around me.
You don't even have anti-assosicatives.
You have being stood behind it as the bus goes past.

Thing is we're both being read independently of this slap fight mostly. And even when you do flip red, people are still going to be sus of me because simply I have been working in black and white since the PoE was yin-confirmed. Town don't act in black and white because they can't, and yet, here's my chaotic fairy ass self operating in strict black and white.

[Amy Dunne]

what if its Tanner/Flea :O

I thought that initially but it really doesn’t look like scum theatre to me, plus he was early on Infinity but I’m cool with Ydrasse. I’ve analyzed the game from multiple angles and practically all of them point to Ydra!town.

I can’t see town!Flea here regardless, so unless we both die, I think we got this.

So let’s yeet Ydra today then.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we cant actually die i think

the game would be unplayable if we could?