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[Dannflor]

what do you find strange about it? I admit I had trouble navigating the phrasing at first but I think it makes pretty clear sense to me now

[northsidegal]

mm, i think i'm just psyching myself out maybe. it doesn't really fit the model i have for the types of posts that i see posted to notes PTs and something about the last line could read to me as responding to someone else (not you), but i think that viewed as redtea trying to prepare a bunch of posts in a notes PT in advance it makes more sense.

[Dannflor]

I feel like it doesn't make sense as a notes PT post either tho

like it makes sense in thread in context but I don't understand why it would ever be posted in a notes thread

also how often do notes thread slips actually happen

is this even a useful line to go down idk

[Dannflor]

actually I guess it makes sense if I think about it

it's just not something for me to actually respond to

I am skeptical of thread slips in general but no that actually might be one

[northsidegal]

i mean, he said that it was meant for a notes PT, and after thinking about it i think that that's probably just the most likely explanation? for now i'm chalking another one up for the advice of "scumslips basically never happen, you should basically never ever consider that possibility unless given super hard evidence"

[Dannflor]

"Anyways, I think we should try to kill the werewolves. Feel free to bus me early because I'll bus you all. The miller claim is an inside joke but I can always say it's serious later. I might rolecop northsidegal because of the soft?"

[Dannflor]

t3 will get it

[redtea]

iche troje

having flow "locktown" makes no sense to me, and I don't remember... an elaboration? sorry if there was and i forgot lol. Pls explain

dann is giving tr's out like candy
so is flow trap

also

flow trap

unvoted me then voted no one else for a while what was that about

"redtea is wolf"
where

@esooa

additionally one person thinks im not partners with farren if im maf but you do(?)
so like what's that about you two

farren started just laying down his opinions about others' opinions. it's gutsy. he's town for me now. can hardly believe it.

seeing esooa in Fight mode completely flipped my opinion of her
am i the only one who got positive reads on her out of that wagon?
I know i didn't talk about her At All before as most of her posting happened while i was away (iirc), but everyone's already talked about her Weird Vibes by now.
even so, dunno why

farren

finds 385 towny
tho i guess he said "depends"

t3

's responses to enchant are....
interesting.....

Spoiler: on/re Dannflor

278
if Esooa's iso reads "from fiiiine to good", at least partially because you're unsure of where their reads are coming from- why didn't you ask her?
and your read on Esooa's tr of you doesn't seem to be informed by your general read of esooa, as of this post.

Like, you talk a lot but you don't say much, you know?
(i think someone says something to that effect later)

ive been nursing a paranoia nsg read since basically her entrance but i think that paranoia was bound to come up at some point this game so im not really giving it any credence until nsg gets a chance to play more

you and nsg both make me paranoid
had the same thought about nsg tho, not enough posts to determine
(update: LOVE the heat when pressuring Esooa, bc honestly the "wagons" this game have been weak. Can't tell you what alignment that makes her tho, haven't Condensed my thoughts yet)

something_Smart type player where you aren't necessarily going to come to any firm conclusions anytime soon but seeing every step of the process to even your mildest conclusions is vital for reading that type of play, at least for me

i concur with this, I think it sums up why farren wasn't a tr for me

i think dann asked me about flow trap or something
about why is he a false flag well idk everyone's tr'ing or nulling him now aren't they
unless you mean "who set him up to be one" in which case
idk bother me about that if i don't get back to it
it's a good question regardless of what you meant actually

[Dannflor]

dann is giving tr's out like candy

I honestly don't feel like i have?

maybe I'm not stating enough of my read shifts in thread but I have like 2.5 people as town right now

[redtea]

im not reading you guys' new posts until i finish this btw

2.5 hours

this is why

I think its weird you start getting defensive after I out my reads list with you at the bottom while I'm pushing someone else mainly rather than when I had actually pushed you with a vote.

you've been verbally pushing esooa this whole time- i don't think a vote elsewhere evens that out.

[Dannflor]

oh I guess I did say I was town reading flow trap

I'm not any more

will elaborate soon if I get the energy to write my wall

[redtea]

for like 10 of his posts me and danfloor were like

[Dannflor]

dannflooooor

[redtea]

ooh, it's so tempting to just live dangerously right now.

you been tempted to hammer too?

i'm pondering 559, which is a bit of a strange post. call this angleshooting, but i think that "notes PTs" basically always come from town. alternatively, though (and very much against my better judgement and against advice i consistently give to other people), i am pondering the hypothesis of that post as a genuine scum PT slip. yes, yes, i know, unlikely, almost any other explanation is overwhelmingly more likely to be the case. even still, like i said—it's a bit of a strange post.

you're not supposed to use the existence of a personal PT to determine alignment

[redtea]

ill also say i think i will make use of a personal pt for every game going forward, now. Beats putting posts into notepad

[northsidegal]

-shrug-

i'll confess that i didn't check the rules before talking about it, but i don't think that i've broken any. maybe you could call it unethical, but i've never really agreed with that sort of philosophy. regardless, this'll be the last post i make on the subject.

[Dannflor]

just ftr I'm pretty sure I've seen the occasional scum player use note PTs before? it's pretty rare and I can't remember any instances off the top of my head but i swear I've seen it at least once before

idk im not really interested in arguing it as an AI point but I would necessarily view it as clearing

although I think I am leaning redtea town anyways

[Dannflor]

would not*

[Farren]

I didn't see 562 on first glance, and was wondering where the heck northsidegal came up with the "notes PT" business until I took another look.

559 didn't have any sort of "notes" vibe to me. Didn't have any sort of "this belonged in scumchat" vibe either, though. The former makes me wonder, though - it's a response to someone. It's not a reminder for later. It's not the sort of post that would require a draft, IMO. (wallpost, post full of cites and links, blistering case, etc.)

But it's a response to a genuine quote in the thread - and I did double-check that. I don't see anything about it that would prompt 562 as "scum covering their tracks".

I think for it to be a scumchat thing, it'd have to be a case of ... like, asking for a tonal evaluation by a scumpartner, or something like that? I don't see a lot of scumchats where that's common.

PEdit> holy crap, that's a lot of posts.
General rule in a lot of rulesets: "if you have a notes PT, don't mention it in the thread." I haven't seen any rule that says "if someone mentions a notes PT, pretend like they didn't," or anything similar. Analyzing something that looks like it doesn't belong in the thread is fair game, unless it flat out doesn't belong in the game at all.

PEdit again > Dannflor: I've requested Notes PTs as scum before. Once, I think; not all the time.

[Farren]

farren started just laying down his opinions about others' opinions. it's gutsy. he's town for me now. can hardly believe it.

What's gutsy about it?

[redtea]

oh yeah lol im totally using it 80% at least to prepare posts. like i said, im pretty sure the one i posted on accident was the final form of that post anyway, since i don't have any after it in my pt with additions/subtractions.
ANYWAY

ill await your reads wall then, dann
and for the people i bolded to respond to me. If they don't, I'm gonna be mad, because it wouldn't be the first time people blatantly ignored my @'s. i WILL get on your case so please make it easy for me.

[Farren]

I don't think I want to see any lolhammers during this.

UNVOTE: redtea

[Esooa]

just ftr I'm pretty sure I've seen the occasional scum player use note PTs before? it's pretty rare and I can't remember any instances off the top of my head but i swear I've seen it at least once before

idk im not really interested in arguing it as an AI point but I would necessarily view it as clearing

although I think I am leaning redtea town anyways

I've seen bug spray? Or whoever use it

[redtea]

I'm 100% sure I saw something that said "do not use the existence of a PT thread to determine alignment" but fuck if I can find it.
That's why I felt safe venting about the mistake, but I'll just follow the "don't mention it" rule of thumb from now on I think

Okay this is the line at which we stop talking about it, and i'll stop responding about it and encouraging it
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[redtea]

ill get back to you farren