Newbie 2074 | Game Over

[Ythan]

I'm pretty sure I understand you but since we're in a newbie and I'm an se I want to clarify that scum tells do exist. We can debate what they are all day, sure.

[Salsabil Faria]

You need to find agenda behind the behaviour, scum will never act scummy.

If you can believe this then ask yourself what scummy means.

I don’t understand what you're trying to say here... Scums usually don't appear as scummy, are they? It’s better to treat as town rather then scum, right?

If you think scum never do scummy things then it's different things that are scummy, but something is scummy or this game would be random for real and not just when we talk shit.

What scums do is scummy by decimation, but they don't want to

appear

to be scummy, that's what I meant.

[Ythan]

You need to find agenda behind the behaviour, scum will never act scummy.

If you can believe this then ask yourself what scummy means.

I don’t understand what you're trying to say here... Scums usually don't appear as scummy, are they? It’s better to treat as town rather then scum, right?

If you think scum never do scummy things then it's different things that are scummy, but something is scummy or this game would be random for real and not just when we talk shit.

What scums do is scummy by decimation, but they don't want to

appear

to be scummy, that's what I meant.

Yeah I got u we're on the same page.

[Salsabil Faria]

You need to find agenda behind the behaviour, scum will never act scummy.

If you can believe this then ask yourself what scummy means.

I don’t understand what you're trying to say here... Scums usually don't appear as scummy, are they? It’s better to treat as town rather then scum, right?

If you think scum never do scummy things then it's different things that are scummy, but something is scummy or this game would be random for real and not just when we talk shit.

What scums do is scummy by definition, but they don't want to

appear

to be scummy, that's what I meant.

EBWOP

[Salsabil Faria]

I'm pretty sure I understand you but since we're in a newbie and I'm an se I want to clarify that scum tells do exist. We can debate what they are all day, sure.

Nah, thank you! I do enough theory talk already for the sake of being in the newbie game

[Salsabil Faria]

You need to find agenda behind the behaviour, scum will never act scummy.

If you can believe this then ask yourself what scummy means.

I don’t understand what you're trying to say here... Scums usually don't appear as scummy, are they? It’s better to treat as town rather then scum, right?

If you think scum never do scummy things then it's different things that are scummy, but something is scummy or this game would be random for real and not just when we talk shit.

What scums do is scummy by decimation, but they don't want to

appear

to be scummy, that's what I meant.

Yeah I got u we're on the same page.

If one of my scumreads flip green, you'll be deep wolf appearing as a town-helping SE

[Ythan]

I like scummy by decimation if I could just figure out a way to use it in a sentence. Like if you kill a tenth of the town as a vig claim you're scummy by decimation.

[Ythan]

I like scummy by decimation if I could just figure out a way to use it in a sentence. Like if you kill a tenth of the town as a vig claim you're scummy by decimation.

Yeah I understand the numbers don't make sense in this scenario.

[Salsabil Faria]

No one is doing anything, scums are chilling I bet...

@Ythan

, want to start a flash wagon on anyone I don’t townread??

[JamesTheNames]

This isn't to say that Salsabil hasn't done things that do warrant attention in this game. I'm still trying to get my head around what her CCing your VT claim means for her alignment; I literally don't know where to start with that one, which is why I haven't approached it until now; but I don't think that comment and the 2064 game are going to be helpful in sorting her.

they've been saying that they are bored a lot this game, i think the action is in line with that along with maybe their relatively high posting
i just think salsa leans town for their earlygame
#78, #111 i felt were pretty town. before these posts i just townbinned them for laughing at me (#37, response in #77)
looking back the rest of the fluffposting is comparatively 'empty' to the towny posts i pointed out
i guess i'll know if it's gonna be helpful in sorting them when i start reading

I'm bored af

Let's hope the next game is fun and you aren't complaining every other post.
UNVOTE: Ythan
VOTE: Salsabil Faria
She's purposefully going for the too scummy to be scummy vibes.

[cowsloveSushirolls]

Let's hope the next game is fun and you aren't complaining every other post.
UNVOTE: Ythan
VOTE: Salsabil Faria
She's purposefully going for the too scummy to be scummy vibes.

why'd you end up not expanding on the "CLSR is scum" post?

[cowsloveSushirolls]

i think that both of these seem to contradict eachother. which do you believe more? or am i looking at this wrong

hmmmm i think i am actually. ill point out what i see

scum will never act scummy, when combined with the statement "scum try to look town" when town act scummy means that one of the two are wrong

You guys read the whole thing wrong or I can't express the words properly. English isn’t my Native language, you guys can ask

Dan

if you still don’t understand.

okay, i think i have the posts understood now. i'm posting it here so you can fix whatever seems wrong if you think it's worth your time

What I meant was I openwolfing as town, so if anyone thinks anti-town = pro-scum and eliminate me for that, it’s not necessarily my fault. You need to find agenda behind the behaviour, scum will never act scummy.

townies do outrageously pro-scum things all the time

scum try to look town

^This

i think that both of these seem to contradict eachother. which do you believe more? or am i looking at this wrong

In both posts, it’s saying that Scums usually need act like townie to get towncred and towns don’t need to act like townie to get towncred. It's usually scums burden to get towncred, not towns.
Read the posts again.

takeaway from first post of 343:
scum's posts will often be posted with an agenda in mind. anti-town actions, most of the time will not benefit scum

takeaway from second post of 343:
i agree with dann, who says that town almost always will do things that benefit mafia*. the mafia will mimic this pattern if they think it will make them look town.

*may include less severe actions too, like tunnelling and not contributing, which won't really make mafia stronger in terms of info, but is still bad

post 346: i want to reaffirm that scum can mimic the carefree attitude of an anti-town townie. the posting will have an agenda behind it, because looking town can help with accomplishing their goals

i think this is logical and something that i actually agree with the majority of, but the posts border on mafia theory so i'm marking it as not alignment indicative

[Salsabil Faria]

This isn't to say that Salsabil hasn't done things that do warrant attention in this game. I'm still trying to get my head around what her CCing your VT claim means for her alignment; I literally don't know where to start with that one, which is why I haven't approached it until now; but I don't think that comment and the 2064 game are going to be helpful in sorting her.

they've been saying that they are bored a lot this game, i think the action is in line with that along with maybe their relatively high posting
i just think salsa leans town for their earlygame
#78, #111 i felt were pretty town. before these posts i just townbinned them for laughing at me (#37, response in #77)
looking back the rest of the fluffposting is comparatively 'empty' to the towny posts i pointed out
i guess i'll know if it's gonna be helpful in sorting them when i start reading

I'm bored af

Let's hope the next game is fun and you aren't complaining every other post.
UNVOTE: Ythan
VOTE: Salsabil Faria
She's purposefully going for the too scummy to be scummy vibes.

Whatever you say

[Salsabil Faria]

i think that both of these seem to contradict eachother. which do you believe more? or am i looking at this wrong

hmmmm i think i am actually. ill point out what i see

scum will never act scummy, when combined with the statement "scum try to look town" when town act scummy means that one of the two are wrong

You guys read the whole thing wrong or I can't express the words properly. English isn’t my Native language, you guys can ask

Dan

if you still don’t understand.

okay, i think i have the posts understood now. i'm posting it here so you can fix whatever seems wrong if you think it's worth your time

What I meant was I openwolfing as town, so if anyone thinks anti-town = pro-scum and eliminate me for that, it’s not necessarily my fault. You need to find agenda behind the behaviour, scum will never act scummy.

townies do outrageously pro-scum things all the time

scum try to look town

^This

i think that both of these seem to contradict eachother. which do you believe more? or am i looking at this wrong

In both posts, it’s saying that Scums usually need act like townie to get towncred and towns don’t need to act like townie to get towncred. It's usually scums burden to get towncred, not towns.
Read the posts again.

takeaway from first post of 343:
scum's posts will often be posted with an agenda in mind. anti-town actions, most of the time will not benefit scum

takeaway from second post of 343:
i agree with dann, who says that town almost always will do things that benefit mafia*. the mafia will mimic this pattern if they think it will make them look town.

*may include less severe actions too, like tunnelling and not contributing, which won't really make mafia stronger in terms of info, but is still bad

post 346: i want to reaffirm that scum can mimic the carefree attitude of an anti-town townie. the posting will have an agenda behind it, because looking town can help with accomplishing their goals

i think this is logical and something that i actually agree with the majority of, but the posts border on mafia theory so i'm marking it as not alignment indicative

I change my play style if I want to change it, not because what other people think I should do as any alignment.
It’s nothing wrong what you're saying, I am just stating that if you want to eliminate an anti-town player, you need to find/understand the agenda behind it, not only because they are playing anti-townie way.

[JamesTheNames]

I change my play style if I want to change it, not because what other people think I should do as any alignment.
It’s nothing wrong what you're saying, I am just stating that if you want to eliminate an anti-town player, you need to find/understand the agenda behind it, not only because they are playing anti-townie way.

If you can't get rid of scum for whatever reason you should aim for Hammer or lose without anti-townie people. Purposeful anti-town behaviour, such as yourself, isn't indicative sure, but it benefits town to hammer them still.
So tell me, why are you playing off the "What I'm doing is anti-town but doesn't make me scum?"
Do you intend to play in a way to benefit town? Do you have any arguments as to why you're town instead of "meta" and "anti town =/= scum"?

[Salsabil Faria]

I change my play style if I want to change it, not because what other people think I should do as any alignment.
It’s nothing wrong what you're saying, I am just stating that if you want to eliminate an anti-town player, you need to find/understand the agenda behind it, not only because they are playing anti-townie way.

If you can't get rid of scum for whatever reason you should aim for Hammer or lose without anti-townie people. Purposeful anti-town behaviour, such as yourself, isn't indicative sure, but it benefits town to hammer them still.
So tell me, why are you playing off the "What I'm doing is anti-town but doesn't make me scum?"
Do you intend to play in a way to benefit town? Do you have any arguments as to why you're town instead of "meta" and "anti town =/= scum"?

The whole argument is for dismissing

Leaven

's

anti-town=pro-scum

notion, it’s not about my alignment here.
I'm trying to move the game forward, actively scum-hunting, engaging with a

wall

like you (ironically who did the most anti-town thing but keep questioning about mine ), engaging with others also to sort them out.... so yeah, I'm not using meta card here.

[Salsabil Faria]

Read-list:

Town:

James

Val

Dann

Null:

CLSR

Clark

Ythan

Scum:

SM

Leaven

[Leaven]

You might be overselling this one a bit James. Given the "will see how townie I am all the time" comment came in response to Leaven suggesting that a refusal to vote you for your VT claim is laying a red carpet for scummy behavoir

To be clear, the red-carpet isn't laid by not voting James or ignoring it all together. The red-carpet is laid by how we as town react. When we start town-bucketing because of their anti-town behavior and scum-bucketing for condemning it, we are shooting ourselves in the foot.

[Leaven]

To that end, I owe James an apology. All this activity is proof that his line had merit. UNVOTE: JamesTheNames

VOTE: ClarkBar 10 posts? Come save us please!

[Val89]

Hello. I'll be catching up when I wake up. cowsloveSushirolls is scum. I'll explain why when I wake up.

James, do you have any plans to come back to this?

[JamesTheNames]

Hello. I'll be catching up when I wake up. cowsloveSushirolls is scum. I'll explain why when I wake up.

James, do you have any plans to come back to this?

Yep I'm just being very careful with interactions with him, as to not break any rules.

[Nahdia]

Now seeking replacement for ClarkBar.

[StrangeMatter]

Alright, catching up for right now. See if there's anything that comes up that I might've missed while I wasn't here.

[cowsloveSushirolls]

planning on doing a mass ISO since there's not much left to respond to

[Nahdia]

Now seeking replacement for ClarkBar.

Gamma Emerald replaces ClarkBar.