Newbie 2072: All Guns Blazing!! - Ended

[ArcAngel9]

Zyla has requested for replacement. Deadline is frozen until a replacement is found.

[ArcAngel9]

Vote Count 2-2

Pavowski :

Umlaut

alstroemerial :

Zyla :

alstroemerial

Lukewarm :

Not_Mafia :

Zyla, Pavowski

Umlaut :

,

marcistar :

Not Voting

: , Lukewarm, Not_Mafia, marcistar,

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to eliminate.

Deadline: July 28, Morning US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-07-28 03:40:00)

Mod Notes:

Deadline is frozen until a replacement is found.
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[ArcAngel9]

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@Mod

, will the deadline be paused/extended if that happens?

Yes. Deadline is frozen until a replacement is found and will be granting one additional day for a replaced player to catch up on the game.

[Umlaut]

Interested in trying this

VOTE: Pavowski

I don't really follow what N_M is saying about Luke (and I think honestly it would be hard for me to ever believe Luke is scum) but the Pavowski read actually makes some sense.

Weekend is busier than anticipated but I am at least reading along still, btw.

Well, at least you voted.

So NM has a bad read on Luke, but a good one on me? My scumread on him today is based pretty much entirely on him saying Luke is the move following a NK that I think most of us agree does not jive with scum!Luke. You are the only one who has even made an effort to justify NM's push on Luke (in 696, you imply that a partner might convince scum!Luke to NK Val even if he wouldn't do it on his own), but now you seem in agreement with me on Luke?

Why *wouldn't* I adjust my read on NM based on his early posts today?

I just refuse to believe Luke is scum and I don't refuse to believe you are. The way you phrase your initial question here seems to indicate some degree of incredulity that N_M could have one bad read and one good one, do you really think that's hard to believe?

I said in 696 that I didn't actually believe Luke was scum, did you miss that?

I suppose you could adjust your read based on N_M's posts, but you haven't really made any argument I can see that N_M's push on Luke is actually scummy as opposed to just wrong. You did say it's "opportunistic" but particularly given it's a continuation of his stated scumread on that slot from yesterday I don't understand where that comes from. What opportunity exactly is N_M taking advantage of?

[alstroemerial]

I can theoretically see a universe in which a Zyla-slot / Pavowski team exists, with Pavowski as the aforementioned scum member on the Shrek wagon

[Pavowski]

I just refuse to believe Luke is scum and I don't refuse to believe you are. The way you phrase your initial question here seems to indicate some degree of incredulity that N_M could have one bad read and one good one, do you really think that's hard to believe?

I said in 696 that I didn't actually believe Luke was scum, did you miss that?

I suppose you could adjust your read based on N_M's posts, but you haven't really made any argument I can see that N_M's push on Luke is actually scummy as opposed to just wrong. You did say it's "opportunistic" but particularly given it's a continuation of his stated scumread on that slot from yesterday I don't understand where that comes from. What opportunity exactly is N_M taking advantage of?

Obviously anybody can make good and bad reads but in this case they seem to be linked.

I don't see his push on Luke today as a continuation of his read from day one. I didn't put much stock in his scum read on day one. Today though he seems to be legitimately pushing Luke in response to the NK and I don't think there's a good faith reason for that. I think it's scummy.

I could be wrong, though. Maybe he's making good his promise to troll the fecal matter out of this game.

How do you view NM'S push on Luke today?

[Pavowski]

Oh and Umlaut I did see your 696. What I was pointing out was that the consensus amongst everybody who's weighed in on the matter is that the NK doesn't really make sense for scum!Luke. Your post that scum!Luke's partner might have convinced him to NK Val is the only thing I see actually entertaining the possibility (and I will grant that you don't actually think Luke is scum).

But NM wants us to push Luke. Why?

[Not_Mafia]

Why are you so fixated on this?

[Umlaut]

How do you view NM'S push on Luke today?

I don't understand the push because I haven't seen any case to speak of. I don't like it that N_M refuses to give a case but I don't think it's necessarily scum-indicative of him.

You didn't just say it's a bad or nonexistent case, though, you said it's

opportunistic.

So either you just chose a buzzword at random or you think there is something in particular that is opportunistic about it. Do you think he's an easy target? I certainly would not characterize anyone as prolific and aggressive as Lukewarm in that way, so what do you mean?

[Pavowski]

How do you view NM'S push on Luke today?

I don't understand the push because I haven't seen any case to speak of. I don't like it that N_M refuses to give a case but I don't think it's necessarily scum-indicative of him.

You didn't just say it's a bad or nonexistent case, though, you said it's

opportunistic.

So either you just chose a buzzword at random or you think there is something in particular that is opportunistic about it. Do you think he's an easy target? I certainly would not characterize anyone as prolific and aggressive as Lukewarm in that way, so what do you mean?

I'm saying a gut reaction to Val dying would lead us to look at Luke, so pushing on Luke would make sense. For a few seconds.

Of course, the moment you think about it, you'd conclude (as most of us have) that the kill does *not* make sense from a scum!Luke POV.

So, yeah, I'm right with you. The case is nonexistent. The push seems opportunistic (Hey, Luke and Val were arguing, Val died, let's kill Luke!).

Am I being that unclear?

[Umlaut]

Do you think scum!N_M took less than a few seconds to think before making this "opportunistic" push that no one else is interested in?

[Pavowski]

Honestly I don't know what goes in that guy's head

I just don't understand it

[Lukewarm]

imo, Not_Mafia's push on me immediately after the Val flip does not make sense coming from either alignment, and that has been the main reason I did not start pushing him today.

It is very confusing tbh, because Scum!Not_Mafia would have had the entire night phase to think about who he wanted to flip at the start of the day, and would have known the Val flip was coming in advance.

On the other hand, I outlined my reasons for scum reading him Day 1, and then his positioning around the Shrek wagon was kinda meh as well.

Once I read the Val flip, my first thought was to vote Not_Mafia, but then his opening post gave me pause

[Lukewarm]

It is very confusing tbh, because Scum!Not_Mafia would have had the entire night phase to think about who he wanted to

flip

push

at the start of the day, and would have known the Val flip was coming in advance.

Meaning that scum not_Mafia would not be making a gut reaction to the val flip, he would have had time to think about the push in advance

[ArcAngel9]

Zyla has requested for replacement. Deadline is frozen until a replacement is found.

Please note that i am still looking for this replacement!

[alstroemerial]

I truly do not think that N_M is mafia at this point, though I am willing to be proven wrong. I'm going to be kind of in and out due to a personal family matter, but at the pace of the game, I'm not worried about keeping up. I'm looking forward to the (hopefully) injection of energy from a new player. Marci, I know you said you were going to do an updated look. How's that going? For me I have Luke, NM, Alstro (obviously) in townread, Marci and Pavowski as townlean, Umlaut as null, and Zyla-slot as scumlean. I don't have any powerful scumreads so I have to go into the lean. :/

[ArcAngel9]

T3 replaces Zyla. Please welcome him!

[ArcAngel9]

Vote Count 2-3

Pavowski :

Umlaut

alstroemerial :

T3 :

alstroemerial

Lukewarm :

Not_Mafia :

T3, Pavowski

Umlaut :

,

marcistar :

Not Voting

: , Lukewarm, Not_Mafia, marcistar,

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to eliminate.

Deadline: July 28, Morning US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-07-31 03:40:00)

Mod Notes:

The deadline has been extended by 1 additional day for the replaced players to catch up on the game.
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[T3]

how

[T3]

I thought this was scum lol

[T3]

Do I catch up?

[T3]

I'm going to look at the person voting me.

[T3]

I've looked at their avatr for 20 seconds and I'm not getting any scmpings.

[T3]

Not_Mafia is locktown for this effort.

[alstroemerial]

*turtwig noises*