Newbie 2074 | Game Over

[JamesTheNames]

Last but not the least,

Re-read

my post with an

open mind

, thank you

@Ythan

, why don't you find some to time to smell your a** and get high on that

This was completely unnecessary.

[Nahdia]

Vote Count 1.09

Now playing... Metric

Salsabil Faria (5):

StrangeMatter, JamesTheNames, Gamma Emerald, Ythan, Salsabil Faria

Gamma Emerald (2):

Leaven, Dannflor

Ythan (1):

Val89,

Salsabil Faria

Leaven (0):

Salsabil Faria

,

Dannflor

Val89 (0):

Ythan

cowsloveSushirolls (0):

Gamma Emerald

Not Voting (1):

cowsloveSushirolls

Deadline is in

(expired on 2021-08-01 09:30:00)

, at which point we will default to no elimination.

With nine players alive, it takes

five

to reach majority.

Note:

There was a mistake in vote count 1.07 and none of you told me

[Nahdia]

Salsabil Faria has been eliminated. She was a

vanilla townie

.

[Nahdia]

✧･ﾟ: *☾ It is now Night 1 (◡‿◡✿) ༓･ﾟ:*‧͙⁺˚
Rest up and get ready for another day!
Don't forget to submit your night actions via PM or factional private topic.

(expired on 2021-07-30 08:30:00)...

[Nahdia]

if the day starts late, don't panic, i work evenings so i tend to wake up a little later than 8:30am...

[Nahdia]

JamesTheNames has been killed. He was a

vanilla townie

.

[Nahdia]

Vote Count 2.00

Now playing... Floating Room

Not Voting (7):

StrangeMatter, Leaven, Val89, cowsloveSushirolls, Gamma Emerald, Dannflor, Ythan

Deadline is in

(expired on 2021-08-06 10:00:00)

, at which point we will default to no elimination.

With seven players alive, it takes

four

to reach majority.

Note:

A full night's sleep is important for all aspects of your health both physical and mental!

[StrangeMatter]

We have two more shots until we lose, let’s not waste this or a lot of our time. Also, Gamma and Ythan please explain why you voted Salsa again?

[StrangeMatter]

Also, I wasn’t here to even be able to stop them from hammering themselves, which just makes me angry to think about.

1. The two others in this wagon, (Ythan, Gamma) are scum, and pushed it to waste time over day 1. More leaning towards scum being Ythan here.

Or

2. Everyone who is on this is Town and scum is outside this wagon entirely and let it happen instead, passing day 1 and killing the person I read as Town.

[Val89]

Nothing that happened at the end of yesterday makes me rethink the conclusion I came to yesterday, or that I was in anyway on the wrong track.

VOTE: Ythan

[StrangeMatter]

I have no regrets if he flips green. I’d rather eliminate this now than let him stay, though.

VOTE: Ythan

[cowsloveSushirolls]

Though I do advocate early E-1s. Applying some lovely pressure early in a Day phase is much more efficient than in the middle of a Day phase.

pour one out for my fallen brother, who i finally warmed up to after many vague accusations toward eachother

[Ythan]

Also, Gamma and Ythan please explain why you voted Salsa again?

Like you can't still read the same posts we could all see yesterday.

[Gamma Emerald]

The above is true
however, to put it simply, I felt like Salsa was acting performative, as well as trying to mirror Dann's reads too hard
Salsa also felt nothing like how she played when I hydra'd with her

[Dannflor]

Gamma what are your scum reads

[Gamma Emerald]

I still think Ythan is pretty suspicious
Besides that I’d have to look over some of my more nullish reads to see if there’s anything I missed

[Gamma Emerald]

[quote="In [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p12919272]post 533[/url], StrangeMatter"]Also, I wasn’t here to even be able to stop them from hammering themselves, which just makes me angry to think about.

1. The two others in this wagon, (Ythan, Gamma) are scum, and pushed it to waste time over day 1. More leaning towards scum being Ythan here.

Or

2. Everyone who is on this is Town and scum is outside this wagon entirely and let it happen instead, passing day 1 and killing the person I read as Town.[/quote]
This confuses me the more I look at it
Why do I have to be scum with Ythan? This feels like a false dichotomy

[Gamma Emerald]

Shit I think accidentally hit “disable bbcode” while trying to fix an autocorrect

@MOD: can you please fix the above post by me?

[StrangeMatter]

Also, I wasn’t here to even be able to stop them from hammering themselves, which just makes me angry to think about.

1. The two others in this wagon, (Ythan, Gamma) are scum, and pushed it to waste time over day 1. More leaning towards scum being Ythan here.

Or

2. Everyone who is on this is Town and scum is outside this wagon entirely and let it happen instead, passing day 1 and killing the person I read as Town.

This confuses me the more I look at it
Why do I have to be scum with Ythan? This feels like a false dichotomy

Oh I see, I made a mistake here. At least one of you two are scum in my eyes if it is option 1.

[Leaven]

Well. Salsa's self-vote was disappointing. Is there ever a good reason to hammer oneself as town? James was an interesting NK - if town wins, he'll be the hero.

I do agree we need a very good reason to move off of GM or Ythan though. I actually would like to fully explore GE, before moving forward with Ythan. This is not a real defense of Ythan (outside of that too scummy to be scum vibe), but rather simply that GE did more of the rounding up of the wagon while trying to maintain the appearance of town. Ythan, imo, just rubbed many the wrong way and I read both sides of that vote as more emotional (see Salsa getting fed up and self-hammering in the heat of the moment) compared to GE's case which was more deliberately executed. Also, I worry that given the day, GE would be able to sell me a bridge.

VOTE: GammaEmerald

I've been trying to think through the implications of presenting this case, because as much as I caveat, I can't get away from this reading as a Ythan defense and tbh who would want to defend Ythan here. It's such an easily and defensible vote.

[Dannflor]

VOTE: gamma emerald

[Gamma Emerald]

Why does me rounding up the wagon result in me being a scumread? I’ll admit that yes I did try to improve my slot’s standing, because as I read I felt like it was apparent my predecessor had not really been received that well. I also respect that you probably are concerned about me given how fervently I defended you Day 1.

[Gamma Emerald]

Dann, give me a reason why your SRs/pushes have been what to me feel like easy targets?
I’ve pretty much eliminated everyone but you and Ythan from my suspect pool, so there’s two reasons this benefits you, helping me see how you can be town, as well as potentially getting me to reconsider my TRs.
SM, Leaven, and CLSR I have as town just in general, and Val89 I have as town because if he’s scum with Ythan that IMO requires some weird play by the both of them.

[Dannflor]

You're an easy target?

[cowsloveSushirolls]

gun-to-head i just vote gamma here

ythan had reasons to vote salsabil that were

actually

things she did in the game (salsa was continuously misrepresenting ythan while fillerposting) which by default is pretty damn town.
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As far as I'm concerned, if your sole argument is "Look. Meta." as to why you're town, you aren't town.

i'm really feeling that this quote also applies the opposite way

the case for salsa provided by gamma was a lot more vague than i wanted, then he drops a whole bunch of good reasons to vote salsa post-elim despite wanting to focus on improving his slot's credibility
(which i think having a logical, consistent and transparent thought process IIT would help with a lot)

now that salsa has flipped blue i think these two logs look really bad

So if Salsa, Leaven, and James all flip town this game. What are the takeaways.

- With Salsa, scum can freely do anti-town things and even be town-bucketed for it. Furthermore, if people vote that scummy behavior, they will actually be scum-bucketed for it.
- With myself, scum will know they can't easily get away with anti-town things.

What advantage does town get (now or in the future) from laying a red carpet down for scum to freely behave against the interest of town? I'm happy to create an environment that discourages anti-town behavior.

If James was randomly 25% Scum, 25% PR, 50% VT, now I have him at 30% Scum, 5% PR, 65% VT. Still overwhelmingly likely to be VT, but as I've said previously, outside of a better option (which we likely will have in 5 days), my vote lands there.

Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnngggggggg

If you have time, check my meta, will see how townie I am all the time

This is scummy.

Why?
I kinda think it is too, but I don’t think it’s gonna be the same logic as yours.

As far as I'm concerned, if your sole argument is "Look. Meta." as to why you're town, you aren't town.

Impressive. It’s not what my logic is, but it definitely blows mine out of the water.
I was thinking the sheer amount of time Salsa was calling stuff “boring” was scummy
Which has a merit to it I think, but the last time I saw someone do the “I’m town because this is my town game” thing they were scum, and someone actually whipped out this exact same point against them

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there's a surprising lack of "i would've stopped the wagon if i were here" which is kinda ???
i absolutely did not think the case on salsa was developed well enough to warrant axing, but of course i will admit that a hole was being dug by her so i will not explicitly blame anyone for being a part of that wagon

since the james kill is a thing i'm assuming that it was a kill to minimize info since after a while of discussion around theory and mechanics they were just Townbinned

the scary part is that they thought it would be better than hunting PRs. double goon setup?

locktown:

james
salsa

town:

leaven
ythan

null:

dannflor (null-town)
strangematter (null-scum)

scum:

val, gamma

(but i'm not saying this is the pair)

i haven't done a mass ISO/reread yet but i bet there's gonna be a ton of interest if i'm totally off the mark according to you guys here