Silent Star 4: Yin and Yang

[Amy Dunne]

the level of absurdity that i called this happening yesterday and it’s actually working is unbelievable and i’m so mad i want to cry lol

I’m sure you are but with Flea agreeing with both of you/Clidd, it would effectively mean scum can’t win here?

Scum can’t bus, that is the obvious problem here.

Both need to escape, so I need to understand how Chara/buddy wins this.

[Chara]

Amy: what do you think of clidd's tone argument?
i'm definitely more upset than i have been this game, i thought that i didn't need to be townread to win and then find out i do, and now Ydrasse makes this case. and Flea while still scumreading me seems more like fae is actually playing now, even though i expected scum Flea would do that and know fae is perfectly capable of faking reads as scum, it's hard not to think about fae being town when the alternative is clidd or Ydrasse being town. clidd i still think is scum, it's just way, way too convenient that he's now saying my tone is scummy with no further description, at exactly the time he needs to be scumreading me to win.

[Amy Dunne]

Ok, let me know when we're going to vote.

I have some games to read.

I don’t want a vote until someone explains to me how Chara/X scumteam wins here.

[Ydrasse]

i genuinely don’t know how else to explain to you wifom exists even if you have scum going so /calmly/ oh i wouldn’t need wifom don’t worry

scums bussing yes it’s shitty strategy but they are and then tomorrow they’ll just flip what they’re doing onto someone else

[Ydrasse]

whatever i keep looking at this stupid game when i should be working

[Chara]

the level of absurdity that i called this happening yesterday and it’s actually working is unbelievable and i’m so mad i want to cry lol

Ydrasse. if you are town, "this is happening", whatever this is, because you're scumreading me for an extremely ??? reason after not engaging me all of the times i have asked to engage with you.

[Chara]

i genuinely don’t know how else to explain to you wifom exists even if you have scum going so /calmly/ oh i wouldn’t need wifom don’t worry

scums bussing yes it’s shitty strategy but they are and then tomorrow they’ll just flip what they’re doing onto someone else

are you reading my tone as calm right now?

[Ydrasse]

yes

[Ydrasse]

okay i really don’t want to have a fit at work

chara i don’t see how you aren’t scum and your towncase didn’t work for me

what am i missing on you. how is it flea/clidd

i’m probably not going to post tonigjt because this is tucking agonizing

[Amy Dunne]

No idea what is going on with scum, but that's their problem.

I'm pretty sure Ydrasse is town so /shrug.

Well Chara, I absolutely hate hate hate the bolded here.

[clidd]

You hate me being honest.

[Chara]

i'm trying to be calm about this because we are playing a game and i'm not here to get angry at anyone. yes, wifom exists. does that mean yes, scum engages in wifom they didn't need to do because... why?

i don't understand how Pooky has this read either.

[Amy Dunne]

You hate me being honest.

Why would town!you not care about this, when it’s key to solving this game?

[Chara]

okay i really don’t want to have a fit at work

chara i don’t see how you aren’t scum and your towncase didn’t work for me

what am i missing on you. how is it flea/clidd

i’m probably not going to post tonigjt because this is tucking agonizing

i'm sorry you're upset. i'm really not trying to do that. i don't know what you're missing, i've talked about why i don't think your case makes any sense.
i think clidd's been playing to try and rock the boat as little as possible, just look like he's solving, and his sudden scumread on me is because that's what scum clidd needs to do right now to get eliminated.

if it's Flea and not you i think faer plan is this, once Tanner flips fae starts playing more seriously after being proven wrong, though i admittedly have not looked at Flea's recent play very closely because i've been preoccuppied with you.

[clidd]

You hate me being honest.

Why would town!you not care about this, when it’s key to solving this game?

Sorry, I don't get it.

[Amy Dunne]

i'm trying to be calm about this because we are playing a game and i'm not here to get angry at anyone. yes, wifom exists. does that mean yes, scum engages in wifom they didn't need to do because... why?

i don't understand how Pooky has this read either.

I don’t understand why Pooky quickhammeree when me and Tanner didn’t want to rush the day either but it happened.

Well his “criminal” read thing should be considered invalid since Tanner was town.

However, a Clidd/Ydra team doesn’t seem likely because scum!Clidd would have to know Ydra scumflip would look bad for him.

Now Flea is no longer certain on anyone, which is interesting, so in the hypothetical case of Ydra flipping scum, fae is covered.

[clidd]

ah, whatever, do what you want.

I'll be busy for the next few hours.

[Amy Dunne]

okay i really don’t want to have a fit at work

chara i don’t see how you aren’t scum and your towncase didn’t work for me

what am i missing on you. how is it flea/clidd

i’m probably not going to post tonigjt because this is tucking agonizing

i'm sorry you're upset. i'm really not trying to do that. i don't know what you're missing, i've talked about why i don't think your case makes any sense.
i think clidd's been playing to try and rock the boat as little as possible, just look like he's solving, and his sudden scumread on me is because that's what scum clidd needs to do right now to get eliminated.

if it's Flea and not you i think faer plan is this, once Tanner flips fae starts playing more seriously after being proven wrong, though i admittedly have not looked at Flea's recent play very closely because i've been preoccuppied with you.

If Ydra is scum, Flea looks more like a buddy than Clidd, so if Clidd is scum, it probably means Ydrasse is town.

[Amy Dunne]

Chara is now a WIFOM issue, and I'd rather drink that one later.
For today, Ydrasse.

Then when she flips green, I have the solve.
If she flips red, I'm down to 50/50 where I'm actually going to have either beat them both with a stick or just let them argue with each other.

If Flea is scum, fae’s golden regardless of Ydra flip.

[Chara]

clidd keeps going from curiosity about motivations to just not caring about them. when i was wondering if he was town he had a reaction wondering about my alignment that i wanted to townread, but now he doesn't care what scum could be doing. day 1 there was also a lot of that, especially with his Ircher read, but now that it fits the agenda for me and Flea to be the team, that's the team, any reasoning about it or more than surface-level observations be damned. that's also why i feel like it could be clidd/Ydrasse, but even if it's clidd/Flea i'm pretty sure he can still come up with a reason for me to be scum over Flea.

[Chara]

If Ydra is scum, Flea looks more like a buddy than Clidd, so if Clidd is scum, it probably means Ydrasse is town.

why is Ydra/Flea more likely for you than Ydra/clidd again?

[Chara]

oh, you answered.

[Chara]

i'm trying to be calm about this because we are playing a game and i'm not here to get angry at anyone. yes, wifom exists. does that mean yes, scum engages in wifom they didn't need to do because... why?

i don't understand how Pooky has this read either.

I don’t understand why Pooky quickhammeree when me and Tanner didn’t want to rush the day either but it happened.

Well his “criminal” read thing should be considered invalid since Tanner was town.

However, a Clidd/Ydra team doesn’t seem likely because scum!Clidd would have to know Ydra scumflip would look bad for him.

Now Flea is no longer certain on anyone, which is interesting, so in the hypothetical case of Ydra flipping scum, fae is covered.

i think he would be aware of that, but you were also saying Flea/Ydrasse was unlikely because Flea was pushing Ydrasse's lim hard yesterday, too. i think either way Ydrasse's buddy would be townreading her, she has been really towny.

but given her reaction here i am wondering if she is just wrong, i don't know if scum Ydrasse gets this upset being challenged on this read? but it's making it hard for me to read her because it still feels like she's avoiding engaging with me, even if i don't believe she's lying about either rl circumstance or her actual feelings.

[Chara]

Chara is now a WIFOM issue, and I'd rather drink that one later.
For today, Ydrasse.

Then when she flips green, I have the solve.
If she flips red, I'm down to 50/50 where I'm actually going to have either beat them both with a stick or just let them argue with each other.

If Flea is scum, fae’s golden regardless of Ydra flip.

i think clidd can do this too. if Ydra is town he looks good for just supporting her the whole time, and he can push me and Flea, and if Ydra flips scum then he was wrong and he can just rethink his reads.

like his reads today are so surface and easy, he has no curiosity or worry about them or about possibly being wrong, never mind his read on me being literally nothing. except to be compared to a time town clidd caught a different scum player (Hopkirk) through fake tone, a statement that sounds nice but can be applied to whatever player you want because it identifies nothing.

[Flea The Magician]

clidd

my one worry is that it feels like everyone’s pushing flea to be left out which means faes partner is doing it too which would be frankly suicidal

I'm glad someone picked up on that I'm being hard bussed by everyone