Newbie 2073: Parfait (Over)

[Roden]

I mentioned it a few times in our last game actually, I'm surprised you never read it.

[Val89]

I'm sure I have read it, I just don't remember a fake hammer gambit or whatever you want to call it. I'm not suggesting you are lying, I just don't recall it.

Is catboi still around, and have anything they want to contribute?

[Roden]

At the end of Day 2, Vax got fake hammered and spewed town. T3 got called out for WK'ing Vax to the point of scum slipping and then got flash wagon'd.

[Save The Dragons]

where i stopped voting for you? you haven't figured out why someone who's town would stop voting for you?

No, I'm struggling to figure out why someone who is town, who apparently saw what you saw, voted me in the first place; let alone posted that quote to the thread.

You don't understand why that was scummy as fuck?

no

[Save The Dragons]

did you ever make your case against me or is it entirely based on me saying interesting to something

[GuyInFreezer]

VC 2.02

General Wu (1):

MegAzumarill

Save The Dragons (2):

catboi, shwinnbego

MegAzumarill (2):

GeneralWu, Save The Dragons

Not Voting:

Roden, Val89

With

7

players remaining,

4

votes to eliminate

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-08-02 20:12:11)

MegAzumarill - V/LA (7/25 - 8/1)

[GeneralWu]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

VOTE: SaveTheDragons

This is my best guess for today.

Roden, you said you wanted to cast the hammer vote. You still gonna do that?

I haven't read everything yet, but I feel like these posts are trying to encourage an early hammer. Shwinnie's repeated desires for an early hammer (including the fact that he wanted to hammer out of boredom on day 1) make him suspicious.

[GeneralWu]

By the way, I'm going to be busy for the next few days, so:
VOTE: V/LA until 8/1

[shwinnebego]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

VOTE: SaveTheDragons

This is my best guess for today.

Roden, you said you wanted to cast the hammer vote. You still gonna do that?

I haven't read everything yet, but I feel like these posts are trying to encourage an early hammer. Shwinnie's repeated desires for an early hammer (including the fact that he wanted to hammer out of boredom on day 1) make him suspicious.

Yes, I find the wildly long days on this forum fairly excruciating and generally support hammering early. I'm unlikely to ever want to let these ridiculously long games actually run their course.

[shwinnebego]

General Wu: would you support an StD quorum?
StD: would you support a General Wu quorum?

[shwinnebego]

It would be easy for scum partners to say "yes" to that, so we'd need to find a way to get you to put you money where your mouth is. But, please respond. Ya know, for the fucking record.

[catboi]

I actually think the way STD backed diown on Val is kind of towny, although 579 does not do very much for me at all, the reasoning for the vote on val in the first place feels rather mediocre.

I haven't given proper consideration to generalwu's case on Meg and need to do so at some point

[catboi]

Moving back to the game, and I feel like we really are entering the twilight zone here given that I am about to suggest that people with a correct read are sus - but given that T3 was fakeclaiming mason, as town, in an actual mason game; and doing some of the scummiest stuff you could think possible, I am actually thinking that those who were expressing town reads on T3 in spite of it - and I'm looking at Shwinn, asking about why a town!t3 claims mason, GeneralWu with a townread justified by absolute bullshit (T3 was doing a lot of things, but actively solving the game wasn't one of them), and StD here - feel a little like TMI.

Given the curveball we've been thrown, I don't think we need to rush this one, but in principle, I am also happy starting with StD, for much the same reasons as have come up already. As of this moment, GeneralWu would be my second choice for today.

I don't think I've made much of a secret about where I am at today. My PoE is StD, GeneralWu, Shwinn. I think we will find one, if not both, scum in that trio. In the event the second scum falls outside that trio, I would be looking at Meg and Catboi. Both of those are currently leaning town in my eyes, and I think there is a good chance the game will be if we had time to lim all 3 of my PoE. I'm not seeing a scum Roden, and they are a straight up town read for me right now.

Roden,
Meg, Catboi
Schwin
StD, GeneralWu.

How does your list look today compared to yesterday, Catboi?

Roden. shwinn, and you are town in my view, STD/Wu/meg are suspects, need to give them more consideration as to who I feel strongest about, but it's late right now and I'm tired.

[shwinnebego]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

VOTE: SaveTheDragons

This is my best guess for today.

Roden, you said you wanted to cast the hammer vote. You still gonna do that?

I haven't read everything yet, but I feel like these posts are trying to encourage an early hammer. Shwinnie's repeated desires for an early hammer (including the fact that he wanted to hammer out of boredom on day 1) make him suspicious.

Yes, I find the wildly long days on this forum fairly excruciating and generally support hammering early. I'm unlikely to ever want to let these ridiculously long games actually run their course.

In all seriousness, does no one else agree that we are starting to hit diminishing returns on discussion?

[Val89]

Yes.

i do not think discussing this benefits the town

did you ever make your case against me or is it entirely based on me saying interesting to something

I find it highly 'interesting' that StD continues to try and draw me into a discussion on this. It's not specified, but I think it's clear he is talking to me, wanting ME specifically to post a sucmcase against him and get back into this discussion he has demostrated he knows is anti-town, despite being almost universally scumread at this point.

I actually think the way STD backed diown on Val is kind of towny

Preciesly because he is continuing to draw my slot into that discussion, I don't think you can make that conclusion. Instead, I read it as scum who thinks they have acheived what they set out to achieve with the pillow push on my slot, and intends for scum to deal with it 'privately', so to speak. If that is what is going to happen, I'll rest easy knowing I outted at least one scum in the process.

VOTE: SaveTheDragons

That is E-1.

It looks to me like the game is starting to stall a bit now, so I think now is the right time to put back the vote.

[Val89]

I'm also putting the vote down now because I am going to be less active for a while. I don't think I'll be so unable to keep up that I need to declare a formal V/LA, but I won't be as active.

[shwinnebego]

Yes.

i do not think discussing this benefits the town

did you ever make your case against me or is it entirely based on me saying interesting to something

I find it highly 'interesting' that StD continues to try and draw me into a discussion on this. It's not specified, but I think it's clear he is talking to me, wanting ME specifically to post a sucmcase against him and get back into this discussion he has demostrated he knows is anti-town, despite being almost universally scumread at this point.

I actually think the way STD backed diown on Val is kind of towny

I find it off putting and borderline suspicious that you refuse to simply articulate a case in response to StD. If it’s the TMI argument, just say that.

Otherwise you are just saying “I don’t need to make a case, evetyone already KNOWS you’re evil” which scans as a bald faced attempt to will into being a self fulfilling tautology of the highest order.

I’m still down to quorum StD but Val has made at least three deeply sub-par posts in the past 24 hours and I don’t really trust Val anymore.

Preciesly because he is continuing to draw my slot into that discussion, I don't think you can make that conclusion. Instead, I read it as scum who thinks they have acheived what they set out to achieve with the pillow push on my slot, and intends for scum to deal with it 'privately', so to speak. If that is what is going to happen, I'll rest easy knowing I outted at least one scum in the process.

VOTE: SaveTheDragons

That is E-1.

It looks to me like the game is starting to stall a bit now, so I think now is the right time to put back the vote.

[shwinnebego]

Dammit I put my comment inside the quote by accident - here is what I meant to say:

I find it off putting and borderline suspicious that you refuse to simply articulate a case in response to StD. If it’s the TMI argument, just say that.

Otherwise you are just saying “I don’t need to make a case, evetyone already KNOWS you’re evil” which scans as a bald faced attempt to will into being a self fulfilling tautology of the highest order.

I’m still down to quorum StD but Val has made at least three deeply sub-par posts in the past 24 hours and I don’t really trust Val anymore.

[shwinnebego]

Does anyone other than StD himself strongly object to quoruming StD? Please say your piece if so.

[Save The Dragons]

val is town

[shwinnebego]

val is town

When did you decide this?

[Save The Dragons]

a while ago

[shwinnebego]

a while ago

you put a vote on Val at 1:46pm yesterday. you decided he's town between now and then?

[Save The Dragons]

look i don't really understand the case against me but i don't think it's val anymore. i think i was just jumping at something i saw when rereading yesterday and i think he's forcing it to match his confirm biased worldview that i'm scum.

i don't think you should lim me today because we've already lost a townie to whatever the hell T3 did and i'd hate to lose another just to my shitty attempt to get back into the game.

[shwinnebego]

We're all over the fucking place as a group lol, I'm ready to flip someone and end this day