Newbie 2073: Parfait (Over)

[Val89]

Man, I would be half-tempted to buy this, StD, if it wasn't for your 653, and to a lesser degree your 626.

Why do you have to decide to go and do this just when I've got stuff to do, eh?

[Save The Dragons]

you don't think it's possible i just did a shit job at rereading/skimming the game?

[Val89]

That might account for the 626, but not the 653. You can't simultanously say you've decided you have reasons I am town, and at the same time say you don't understand why what you did seemed scummy.

[Save The Dragons]

why not

[Val89]

Yeah, no. Yet another attempt to turn the conversation back in that direction.

Those seconds thoughts are gone. This is flipping red.

[Save The Dragons]

i'm trying to understand what your case against me is and i don't

i don't think that's unreasonable to ask

[shwinnebego]

Val, stop twisting StD's words and conflating two VERY OBVIOUSLY DISTINCT issues.

Issue 1: What is your case on StD?

StD doesn't understand it, and to be honest I'm starting to lose track of what your case on him is too. Stop responding in these weird, obtuse, evasive ways, and *especially* stop conflating this issue with

Issue 2: what StD thinks about your play/alignment

I can't believe *I*, a stupid person, am having to break this shit down for you.

[shwinnebego]

If you have a case on StD state it.

If you believe you've already said it, then do one of:

1. Restate it succinctly and move on
2. Say "I have already expressed my case adequately and don't care to do it again"
3. Link to said explanations
4. Just stop responding altogether, if you believe that you've said what you need to say.

Rather than pursuing one of these normal fucking courses of action, you are electing, WILDLY, utterly, maddeningly, bafflingly, to:

5. Flail, conflate, confuse, complain, and obfuscate.

Cut it the fuck out if you are town.

[shwinnebego]

Val is either an unclear thinker, an unclear writer, or a wolf.

[shwinnebego]

Like I would literally prefer "I actually don't really have a clear case on you it's just my best guess, sorry" to whatever the fuck nonsense train you're on

[shwinnebego]

In a world where StD is town, I actually think it's likely that Val and catboi and even General Wu are also town and that the scum is exactly Meg and Roden

[Roden]

This is exactly why I said we shouldn't hammer early. Thank you for proving my point and generating content for us.

[Roden]

@Val:

I hope you did the homework I gave you because it's surprisingly very pertinent here.

Look at what Shwinn's doing here and compare it to what T3 did in the game I showed you. It looks like Shwinn just TMI'd that he knows StD is town and is trying to be on the right side of history after we flip StD. He just randomly paired me with Meg and town read literally everyone else with zero evidence or reason.

I think Shwinn is absolutely flailing here and is desperately trying to save StD. Whether they're actually blatant partners or Shwinn is just pocketing and TMI'ing, I think he actually has a better chance of flipping red here than StD.

[Roden]

Been thinking on it more and I'm pretty sure I'm right about Shwinn. The consensus on StD felt way too easy, and if Shwinn really did TMI that StD is town, then his desperate attempt to save him means StD is this game's LHF, or low hanging fruit.

Think about it. StD has barely generated any content, has posted very sparsely, and keeps doing and saying things that could be perceived as scummy. He's the obvious vote when we can't think of a better wagon, and there was almost zero resistance to his wagon aside from Shwinn. If StD was scum I think his partner would've told him to start towning it up more over a week ago, but his playstyle has remained consistent this entire time.

Now look at Shwinn. He's been buddying up with him since the start, and openly said he vibed with StD's playstyle. He votes him but never builds a case and instead

defends

him while also begging for a hammer multiple times. He needed to be on the right side of history with this vote but needed the hammer to happen before anyone could catch on. But now he's slipped and has gone quiet. I'm fairly certain I caught him at this point.

[catboi]

I finally read the case in 549 and I'm not sure it's convincing in its reasoning, mainly it seems to revolve around meg being scum because he is scumcasing generalwu. But I am also not sure it's a case made by scum. I am feeling very hedgey.

[catboi]

The 180 from STD on Wu is...a surprising move that I'm not sure comes from scum. That's him taking away a very viable vote for him, and if it's his partner...why does he reverse like that? Just seems strategically bad.

I think Roden continues to be very town.

I need to think about things more and reread people.

UNVOTE:

[catboi]

look i don't really understand the case against me but i don't think it's val anymore. i think i was just jumping at something i saw when rereading yesterday and i think he's forcing it to match his confirm biased worldview that i'm scum.

i don't think you should lim me today because we've already lost a townie to whatever the hell T3 did and i'd hate to lose another just to my shitty attempt to get back into the game.

Can you explain who you think is scum besides Meg?

[GuyInFreezer]

VC 2.03

General Wu (1):

MegAzumarill

Save The Dragons (2):

shwinnbego, Val89

MegAzumarill (2):

GeneralWu, Save The Dragons

Not Voting:

Roden, catboi

With

7

players remaining,

4

votes to eliminate

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-08-02 20:12:11)

MegAzumarill - V/LA (7/25 - 8/1)
GeneralWu - V/LA (7/29 - 8/1)

[catboi]

Honestly, I might want to vote Meg, although I have no good idea who his partner would be, but on a reread of his ISO I'm less than impressed. Although I liked his start, his reads have been static and mostly based off early impressions of Wu/STD "not doing much", but to me now looking at them, they've actually shown fluidity in their thought processes and a willingness to evaluate new information, I actually get the sense they might be thinking about the game. I realize he's been V/LA for a significant time period but I get the sense Meg is coasting.

Wild that I'm ending up here.

[Roden]

I'm not sure what I'm missing in regards to Meg, but that's four people now who scum read them. I don't think Val is scum, so if Meg is scum then somebody is trying to bus them. Shwinn could be doing so by partnering his buddy with me in his scum pool. I've done the same before as scum so it isn't particularly far fetched.

Is there a more comprehensive scum case on Meg? Because of the four presented, yours is the only one that makes me pause to think on it, Catboi.

[catboi]

I can try to put words together on it sometimes tomorrow. I'm second guessing my read on STD, mainly.

[shwinnebego]

People who have good analysis: catboi, meg, savethedragons
people whose analysis is defective: roden, general wu, val

favorite quorum for today: savethedragons (for exactly the same reasons i said 3-4 pages ago)

my second favorite quorum is now more like meg, roden, or val
over general wu

mainly, though, the venn diagram between "who i think is evil" and "whose arguments make sense to me" is decidedly not a circle. i didnt think this was a challenging concept, Roden

[shwinnebego]

Roden I’m not “desperately trying to save StD” - that descriptor would far more accurately apply to you, the person who refused to hammer him. I would hammer him right now if I had the power to do so.

[shwinnebego]

Roden, who are your top two picks for quorum today in order

[shwinnebego]

Also Roden I am not defending SavetheDragons’ *alignment* I am defending their argumentation vis-a-vis Val in a recent, specific interaction. As I said, Val is either an unclear thinker, an unclear writer, or a wolf; and it’s quite likely that he is an unclear thinker and unclear writer.

None of that is germane to STD’s alignment in this game. I do struggle to believe that an intelligent person would fail to grasp this distinction, and since I believe you to be an intelligent person I find you suspicious.