mini normal 2226; who won

[MathBlade]

i actually got some townie pings from his posting upon his return. my mind completely skipped over 12 at first, so upon that elaboration, i can see town!flubber going mad at someone "lying" about their push.

opening his iso, don't think he looks *great* exactly, talking only about seanzie and nothing else isn't a great look, which is why i'm fine with him being on y-1 to see what happens and i'm not losing my mind over a possible quickhammer.

well if you say so

UNVOTE: Flubber

Looks like you’re playing the game through Datisi versus having your own reads.

[Aristeia]

I'm unlikely to be able to convince you.

You'd have to figure out I'm town on your own.

[Aristeia]

Looks like you’re playing the game through Datisi versus having your own reads.

I don't think being deferential towards people whom you hold a high opinion of is a bad thing.

Mafia games tend to be more ego-driven, I like to be carried by people I trust.

It's just the way I am.

[MathBlade]

Datisis feels town to me.

Now that Flubber has explained more, I think their thought process seems genuine, even thought I disagree with their conclusions.

I am not liking that Aristeia keeps asking other people before she votes/unvotes, like she is absolving herself of her votes.

VOTE: Aristeia

I think that's part of the alt gimmick.

That’s not how alts work.

If she wants to be read as town then she needs to be townie. I don’t try to meta hunt an alt. The purpose of an alt is to distance yourself from your prior play.

Why are you instantly going to alt though?

[Titus]

Well, if you're townreading me, why don't you trust me that all my babies need protecting?

1>Because your reads so far seem to be emotionally based crap.
2> Just because you see something doesn’t mean scum will. Calling attention to something existing just makes scum hunt for it. Best to just not talk about it and hope it goes away.

Pedit:

Hi. I think you’re scum care to convince me you’re not?

What if I'm a special little person who needs to be sure my logic is tracked?

[MathBlade]

Looks like you’re playing the game through Datisi versus having your own reads.

I don't think being deferential towards people whom you hold a high opinion of is a bad thing.

Mafia games tend to be more ego-driven, I like to be carried by people I trust.

It's just the way I am.

I think it’s horrible because if you’re scum and Datisi is bad boosting a bad Townie gets a lot of mileage and if you’re town we don’t get a chance to read you and your thoughts. Mafia is not a game to be done on the sidelines.

[MathBlade]

Well, if you're townreading me, why don't you trust me that all my babies need protecting?

1>Because your reads so far seem to be emotionally based crap.
2> Just because you see something doesn’t mean scum will. Calling attention to something existing just makes scum hunt for it. Best to just not talk about it and hope it goes away.

Pedit:

Hi. I think you’re scum care to convince me you’re not?

What if I'm a special little person who needs to be sure my logic is tracked?

Then trust I will track your logic then

Give me a bit of time to catch up

[MathBlade]

Close to My Heart: Datisi

Beneath the Sky: Lukewarm, Umlaut, Seanzie

Sea of Dreams: Gamma Emerald, Titus, T3

Waves upon the Shore: ChaosOmega, Meg

The Long Winding Road: Alchemist, Flubber, Vulture

Can you please put a non color version in a spoiler in the future? This is incredibly hard to read. I am guessing this is top to bottom.

[MegAzumarill]

Wish I had more time today but something came up. Here goes my first batch of analysis. I probably will refrain from analysing Mathblade/seanzie slot for now. Hopefully, I can get the rest done today.

Alchemist: lots of posts, presses people for their reasonings, very reactionary, null read
Aristeia: posts little content, but still shows they are following the game closely in 184, strong townread
ChaosOmega: keeps posts long, fairly thoroughly analyses conversations, doesn’t actively push his reads out, weak townread
Datisi: tends to latch onto one thing about a player that they find suspicious and stick by it for long stretches, townread,
Flubber: doesn’t provide a lot of reads and doesn’t appear to be actively contributing, scumread
Gamma: reasonings seem to be understandable and seem to be thinking out their actions, townread

[MathBlade]

Datisis feels town to me.

Now that Flubber has explained more, I think their thought process seems genuine, even thought I disagree with their conclusions.

I am not liking that Aristeia keeps asking other people before she votes/unvotes, like she is absolving herself of her votes.

VOTE: Aristeia

I had the same thought. I get the feeling Ari might need to give me a cookie.

I don’t think Aristeia is that person
I think I’ve encountered Aristeia in the stream chat of a certain pink circular creature who may be just a little skinny

How about both of you quit alt hunting/outing and start/go back to scum hunting?

I think Aristeia is likely scum but trying to out them to get an advantage whatever your alignment is a jerk move.

[MathBlade]

VOTE: chaosomega

i cannot wait for us to yeet flubber today and he flips scum and then i look like an idiot tomorrow. anyway, 227 gives me bad vibes, kinda feels like scum nitpicking any miniscule thing just so they can stay on-wagon.

re flubber's 222 - i feel like there's been at least something that pinged me wrong on minimum half the slots here, that's why i said it. i could iso everyone and compile that, but... i don't feel like that's gonna be useful for me or anyone else.

flubber, do you have any townreads?

VOTE: chaos Time to join the “idiot” club because this Flubber wagon sucks.

[MathBlade]

I like Aristeia's response and read list.

UNVOTE:

Am back from my VLA, and will probably give the game a reread later tonight

atm, I am roughtly at Datisi, Umlaut, Gamma, Aristeia feeling like town

Flubber felt like scum, then wormed back to null again, but then was not a fan of the recent interaction with Titus. Similar to what Alchemist said, it felt like a pocket attempt coming from flubber

Titus is a hard player to read, and want to give her a closer look

T3 is T3

I have zero thoughts about: chaos, meg, vulture. Had to look at the playerlist to see who I was missing

And you still forget my slot lol.

I think you’re town though so it’s probably just derpage

[Datisi]

@meg, when you're back

Flubber: doesn’t provide a lot of reads and doesn’t appear to be actively contributing, scumread

what's your experience in mafia, and why are you not voting the person you apparently scumread?

[MathBlade]

VOTE: Lukewarm
…..OMGUS

That post really could be shorter.

Just a matter of if it’s town OMGUS or scum omgus

[Aristeia]

I think it’s horrible because if you’re scum and Datisi is bad boosting a bad Townie gets a lot of mileage and if you’re town we don’t get a chance to read you and your thoughts. Mafia is not a game to be done on the sidelines.

I think I've been fairly transparent about my thoughts on the game so far.

I like to support Datisi because he's a brilliant player and one that I townread.

I've played before with him and he instantly caught a scum and helped put the town on its way to winning quite handily.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87222

Why do you think Datisi is a bad townie?

[MathBlade]

He votes for Lukewarm and then,

His first two lines are explain-y, as in "this is what I'm actually trying to do", the point he's making is that he did nothing wrong.

I find that tends to come from people who are scum and disagree with the manner in which they get caught.

Because if Lukewarm is scum, why would he even bother explaining to Lukewarm what he's actually trying to do?


"If everyone is jumping off, why would I be so desperate as scum to keep on here? Wouldn't this draw attention to me as it has?"

This line is just wifom.

He's also looking at Lukewarm jumping off me, but if he actually believes Flubber to be scum, he should be much more interested in how Lukewarm started the Flubber wagon and then jumped off of it rather than the interaction with me.

Worth of note this is the first time Aristeia has conviction/pushes a read.

I am pausing here because IRL stuff but this I need to think about in-depth.

[MathBlade]

I think it’s horrible because if you’re scum and Datisi is bad boosting a bad Townie gets a lot of mileage and if you’re town we don’t get a chance to read you and your thoughts. Mafia is not a game to be done on the sidelines.

I think I've been fairly transparent about my thoughts on the game so far.

I like to support Datisi because he's a brilliant player and one that I townread.

I've played before with him and he instantly caught a scum and helped put the town on its way to winning quite handily.

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=87222

Why do you think Datisi is a bad townie?

Not what I said. I was posing a hypothetical.

If you’re scum AND Datisi is a bad townie.
As scum there’s plenty of reasons to hide behind a townie. That’s the first that came to mind because of how I play scum sometimes.

Brilliance in the past is not an indicative of brilliance now or bad play or anything. That’s why you BoP good players but don’t sheep them directly

[Aristeia]

yes that's true. but wouldn't you need some evidence that Datisi is playing badly before you make this kind of accusation?

[MathBlade]

Again it’s not an accusation that’s a misrep.

I work in hypotheticals.

That’s what BoP means. If I assume Datisi is good town (I haven’t played with him in like ever) then I Burden of Proficiency him. That means if we don’t have scum by like day 3 then Datisi shoots up on my PoE regardless of it.

However I still form my own opinions and see where we do and don’t sync.

Just because someone is good doesn’t mean you clock out.

[Datisi]

aristeia, why are you making people have expectations of me, it makes me nervous >_>

[MegAzumarill]

@meg, when you're back

Flubber: doesn’t provide a lot of reads and doesn’t appear to be actively contributing, scumread

what's your experience in mafia, and why are you not voting the person you apparently scumread?

I've played in one other game on site and played for a while on other sites. I'm not voting flubber until I get a chance to analyze the rest of the Player List. When I finish that I'll likely vote my biggest SR.

[T3]

...

[Gamma Emerald]

Maybe scum don’t have a PT and have a discord instead? I have played a smaller game where this was the case. Reading that in the OP made me think what if no scum have a PT at all and made me want to join to see if this is the case.

This would be a shit move to pull imo

[Datisi]

lol tris

[tris]

you didn't see anything. <_<