mini normal 2226; who won

[MathBlade]

See here’s the situation I am in. Assume scum kill you tonight, then you have left nothing really tangible to go towards. If you’re flash wagoned right now (which I disagree with) your ISO is pretty lacking. You’re asking me to already play in a way more your style here and I am taking it on a leap of faith you’re not setting me up for failure here don’t make it hard for me.

[Titus]

See here’s the situation I am in. Assume scum kill you tonight, then you have left nothing really tangible to go towards. If you’re flash wagoned right now (which I disagree with) your ISO is pretty lacking. You’re asking me to already play in a way more your style here and I am taking it on a leap of faith you’re not setting me up for failure here don’t make it hard for me.

If scum kill me tonight, there will be solid evidence of what I did and my reads.

My ISO always falls off on a weekend, but it's pretty clear who I townread and my weak scumreads. Being in a weaker position is ok.

I'm reaching out to you just in case the prize is scum. I'm like 99% sure it isn't but you know leverage.

[MathBlade]

See here’s the situation I am in. Assume scum kill you tonight, then you have left nothing really tangible to go towards. If you’re flash wagoned right now (which I disagree with) your ISO is pretty lacking. You’re asking me to already play in a way more your style here and I am taking it on a leap of faith you’re not setting me up for failure here don’t make it hard for me.

If scum kill me tonight, there will be solid evidence of what I did and my reads.

My ISO always falls off on a weekend, but it's pretty clear who I townread and my weak scumreads. Being in a weaker position is ok.

I'm reaching out to you just in case the prize is scum. I'm like 99% sure it isn't but you know leverage.

Yeah I know leverage pretty well.

Let’s go steal a victory.

[Flubbernugget]

@mod I will be v/la from the 10th to the 23rd

[MegAzumarill]

Mathblade: new sub in so chalk it up to a null read so far
Lukewarm: likes to move around their vote, clash with Chaos appears to be Town on town Imo, mainly coming from a disparity in approach to votes, slight townread
T3: is T3, slight townread
Titus: doesn’t seem super concerned with exactly who is limmed, which seems townie (as I suspect there are 1 or more scum outside of their townblock) but doesn’t seem to provide a good flow of logic into the game, slight townread
Tris: extremely scummy, lim on sight
Umlaut: mostly talks surrounding flubber, and not adding input on the rest of the game, posts intermittently but not often. Scumread
Vulture: on 2 occasions (me and flubber) added to a large wagon without providing thoughts of said wagon, very few reads given until very recently, Scumread

Honestly it feels like vulture hasn’t received enough pressure after their putting flubber at E-1. Especially after Chaos ended up doing the same before, with a much less meaningful vote.

VOTE: Vulture

[MathBlade]

Mathblade: new sub in so chalk it up to a null read so far
Lukewarm: likes to move around their vote, clash with Chaos appears to be Town on town Imo, mainly coming from a disparity in approach to votes, slight townread
T3: is T3, slight townread
Titus: doesn’t seem super concerned with exactly who is limmed, which seems townie (as I suspect there are 1 or more scum outside of their townblock) but doesn’t seem to provide a good flow of logic into the game, slight townread
Tris: extremely scummy, lim on sight
Umlaut: mostly talks surrounding flubber, and not adding input on the rest of the game, posts intermittently but not often. Scumread
Vulture: on 2 occasions (me and flubber) added to a large wagon without providing thoughts of said wagon, very few reads given until very recently, Scumread

Honestly it feels like vulture hasn’t received enough pressure after their putting flubber at E-1. Especially after Chaos ended up doing the same before, with a much less meaningful vote.

VOTE: Vulture

Really? I have more posts than a good chunk of the game and you can’t formulate any sort of read on me?

[MegAzumarill]

I mean I've mainly been catching up to the game since my V/LA, I still sort you as a null read though because in my eyes it looks like you are pushing town but your logic seems to hold up somewhat. So its give and take with you.

[MegAzumarill]

If anyone would like me to better elaborate on a part of this analysis or the last feel free to ask, I know Flubber responded to my last one but was primarily dismissive about the whole thing.

[Datisi]

he was dismissive yeah, but i think he brought up some valid points. most of your reads feel like they need some heavy elaboration.

[MathBlade]

he was dismissive yeah, but i think he brought up some valid points. most of your reads feel like they need some heavy elaboration.

Agreed. Especially the inability to form a read on me.

That just seems like lazy scum

[MegAzumarill]

Feel free to press on whatever point you want first, try to be more specific than "most" its a lot easier for me to communicate this 1 by 1 than all at once, and I figure it will be easier for you guys to digest as well.


Also Mathblade, I have reads on you, but I don't feel so inclined to disclose them until they settle on something, nostly it aligns with what I already mentioned about you though.

[MathBlade]

Feel free to press on whatever point you want first, try to be more specific than "most" its a lot easier for me to communicate this 1 by 1 than all at once, and I figure it will be easier for you guys to digest as well.


Also Mathblade, I have reads on you, but I don't feel so inclined to disclose them until they settle on something, nostly it aligns with what I already mentioned about you though.

Who is “they” and what do “they” need to settle on before you can give a read?

[Datisi]

Wish I had more time today but something came up. Here goes my first batch of analysis. I probably will refrain from analysing Mathblade/seanzie slot for now. Hopefully, I can get the rest done today.

Alchemist: lots of posts, presses people for their reasonings, very reactionary, null read
Aristeia: posts little content, but still shows they are following the game closely in 184, strong townread
ChaosOmega: keeps posts long, fairly thoroughly analyses conversations, doesn’t actively push his reads out, weak townread
Datisi: tends to latch onto one thing about a player that they find suspicious and stick by it for long stretches, townread,
Flubber: doesn’t provide a lot of reads and doesn’t appear to be actively contributing, scumread
Gamma: reasonings seem to be understandable and seem to be thinking out their actions, townread

Mathblade: new sub in so chalk it up to a null read so far
Lukewarm: likes to move around their vote, clash with Chaos appears to be Town on town Imo, mainly coming from a disparity in approach to votes, slight townread
T3: is T3, slight townread
Titus: doesn’t seem super concerned with exactly who is limmed, which seems townie (as I suspect there are 1 or more scum outside of their townblock) but doesn’t seem to provide a good flow of logic into the game, slight townread
Tris: extremely scummy, lim on sight
Umlaut: mostly talks surrounding flubber, and not adding input on the rest of the game, posts intermittently but not often. Scumread
Vulture: on 2 occasions (me and flubber) added to a large wagon without providing thoughts of said wagon, very few reads given until very recently, Scumread

Honestly it feels like vulture hasn’t received enough pressure after their putting flubber at E-1. Especially after Chaos ended up doing the same before, with a much less meaningful vote.

VOTE: Vulture

okay then

- why is alchemist null? you listed things that seem like it should be ai (pressing for reasoning/being reactionary)? if they're not ai, why even bother to list them?
- why is "following the game closely" worthy of a *strong townread*? and what about her readslist made you so sure that it's genuine?
- why am i a townread for latching onto things for a long amount of time?
- what makes you believe that luke/omega is t/t?
- do you have exp with t3? why are they "slight townread"?

i also had a "provide examples" for pretty much every single one of your reads, but that got repetitive very quickly...

[MegAzumarill]

"they" are my reads on you. I see them falling on either side of the scum/town line right now, which is why I am leaving you as unsure on my reads list until I make up my mind.

Why do you find it so important I have a defined read on you? Seems like a little of a weird thing to ask of me. I would love to hear why you seem to want it so much.

I'll get to you Datisis in a few minutes.

[Vulture]

Mathblade: new sub in so chalk it up to a null read so far
Lukewarm: likes to move around their vote, clash with Chaos appears to be Town on town Imo, mainly coming from a disparity in approach to votes, slight townread
T3: is T3, slight townread
Titus: doesn’t seem super concerned with exactly who is limmed, which seems townie (as I suspect there are 1 or more scum outside of their townblock) but doesn’t seem to provide a good flow of logic into the game, slight townread
Tris: extremely scummy, lim on sight
Umlaut: mostly talks surrounding flubber, and not adding input on the rest of the game, posts intermittently but not often. Scumread
Vulture: on 2 occasions (me and flubber) added to a large wagon without providing thoughts of said wagon, very few reads given until very recently, Scumread

Honestly it feels like vulture hasn’t received enough pressure after their putting flubber at E-1. Especially after Chaos ended up doing the same before, with a much less meaningful vote.

VOTE: Vulture

Pretty sure this proves you're not reading my posts in good faith given the fact that I townread almost everyone on your wagon, as seen here. There's not a lot to say when you're scummy and I agree with the people voting you.

Spoiler:

I'm phoning it in for this game. Normal games don't have the same zest as other games, it feels like, so I'm unsure why I threw myself in here.

I'm comfortable with the townpool of T3/

Datisi

/Lukewarm/

Ari

(Her posting improved once I saw more for her. Someone prodded her on a read on someone I don't remember, but it didn't feel as if it was something she made up). Thinking about

Titus

some; from a glance at a recent scum game, she went hard after her partners. It doesn't feel like she's doing that this game and unless she has at least 1 partner in the townpool I'm inclined to believe she's town from that as well.

Chaos's vote being parked on Flubber feels strange. I feel as if he's abandoned (at least somewhat) pressing there in favor of calling out other slots as weird. But keeping his vote parked on Flubber while having another growing wagon (Meg) and acknowledging her as weird feels as if Chaos doesn't want to vote a partner and wants to go for a miselim on Flubber.

VOTE: MegAzumarill.

This, however, depends on Meg flipping scum. And given that Meg sounds awkward, fine to vote there regardless.

This comes across as an attack because I voted you and because I am the 'easiest' vote on your wagon that you could feasibly swing, and even then you're trying to frame it as 'they need more pressure' in a way that is underhanded. Your tone hasn't improved and I think that I'm probably correct about my previous thoughts on wagons.

[Vulture]

My assumption here is that Meg got called out, didn't want to flip onto partners, but the fact she didn't flip just makes it look worse for them both.

[Vulture]

I'm entertaining a scumteam of Meg/Chaos+1 more (maybe Vulture?) at the moment.

Umalut/Mathblade could also still be a thing? Tough to say because both slots (Umalut/Seanzie at the time) did some badposting and don't have enough activity to say much more on. MathBlade so far looks town, but there's a pocket bias here given they came in off the bat to say my wagon sucks lol

Something feels weird that I'm entertaining scumpools of entirely different people though. Hmmmm

Also, I was reading earlier and want to say that this is a very silly team to theorize over. The assumption is that I would bus both of my partners and for... what result?

It's probably just Umlaut.

[MegAzumarill]

Mathblade: new sub in so chalk it up to a null read so far
Lukewarm: likes to move around their vote, clash with Chaos appears to be Town on town Imo, mainly coming from a disparity in approach to votes, slight townread
T3: is T3, slight townread
Titus: doesn’t seem super concerned with exactly who is limmed, which seems townie (as I suspect there are 1 or more scum outside of their townblock) but doesn’t seem to provide a good flow of logic into the game, slight townread
Tris: extremely scummy, lim on sight
Umlaut: mostly talks surrounding flubber, and not adding input on the rest of the game, posts intermittently but not often. Scumread
Vulture: on 2 occasions (me and flubber) added to a large wagon without providing thoughts of said wagon, very few reads given until very recently, Scumread

Honestly it feels like vulture hasn’t received enough pressure after their putting flubber at E-1. Especially after Chaos ended up doing the same before, with a much less meaningful vote.

VOTE: Vulture

Pretty sure this proves you're not reading my posts in good faith given the fact that I townread almost everyone on your wagon, as seen here. There's not a lot to say when you're scummy and I agree with the people voting you.

Spoiler:

I'm phoning it in for this game. Normal games don't have the same zest as other games, it feels like, so I'm unsure why I threw myself in here.

I'm comfortable with the townpool of T3/

Datisi

/Lukewarm/

Ari

(Her posting improved once I saw more for her. Someone prodded her on a read on someone I don't remember, but it didn't feel as if it was something she made up). Thinking about

Titus

some; from a glance at a recent scum game, she went hard after her partners. It doesn't feel like she's doing that this game and unless she has at least 1 partner in the townpool I'm inclined to believe she's town from that as well.

Chaos's vote being parked on Flubber feels strange. I feel as if he's abandoned (at least somewhat) pressing there in favor of calling out other slots as weird. But keeping his vote parked on Flubber while having another growing wagon (Meg) and acknowledging her as weird feels as if Chaos doesn't want to vote a partner and wants to go for a miselim on Flubber.

VOTE: MegAzumarill.

This, however, depends on Meg flipping scum. And given that Meg sounds awkward, fine to vote there regardless.

This comes across as an attack because I voted you and because I am the 'easiest' vote on your wagon that you could feasibly swing, and even then you're trying to frame it as 'they need more pressure' in a way that is underhanded. Your tone hasn't improved and I think that I'm probably correct about my previous thoughts on wagons.

Part of my point is that ChaosOmega ended up doing a similar bit to what you are doing (joining the wagon without adding any input to it), and ended up getting pressure for it. Why would that not apply to you, I feel even doubly so for putting Flubber at E-1. I think your spot deserves more looking into.

I also feel that it is incredibly strange that your vote on me you end up discussing just about every other player than the person you are voting.

[MathBlade]

"they" are my reads on you. I see them falling on either side of the scum/town line right now, which is why I am leaving you as unsure on my reads list until I make up my mind.

Why do you find it so important I have a defined read on you? Seems like a little of a weird thing to ask of me. I would love to hear why you seem to want it so much.

I'll get to you Datisis in a few minutes.

Because you can give a quantifiable read on someone with less posts and interactions and can’t give a read on me despite me interacting with a decent portion of the game. It feels inauthentic to me.

The way you phrase it is also passive “I am a replacement so no read” vs actively engaging with content.

A scumread using ridiculous logic because it was Sunday and cats were meowing would be better than that.

[Vulture]

Mathblade: new sub in so chalk it up to a null read so far
Lukewarm: likes to move around their vote, clash with Chaos appears to be Town on town Imo, mainly coming from a disparity in approach to votes, slight townread
T3: is T3, slight townread
Titus: doesn’t seem super concerned with exactly who is limmed, which seems townie (as I suspect there are 1 or more scum outside of their townblock) but doesn’t seem to provide a good flow of logic into the game, slight townread
Tris: extremely scummy, lim on sight
Umlaut: mostly talks surrounding flubber, and not adding input on the rest of the game, posts intermittently but not often. Scumread
Vulture: on 2 occasions (me and flubber) added to a large wagon without providing thoughts of said wagon, very few reads given until very recently, Scumread

Honestly it feels like vulture hasn’t received enough pressure after their putting flubber at E-1. Especially after Chaos ended up doing the same before, with a much less meaningful vote.

VOTE: Vulture

Pretty sure this proves you're not reading my posts in good faith given the fact that I townread almost everyone on your wagon, as seen here. There's not a lot to say when you're scummy and I agree with the people voting you.

Spoiler:

I'm phoning it in for this game. Normal games don't have the same zest as other games, it feels like, so I'm unsure why I threw myself in here.

I'm comfortable with the townpool of T3/

Datisi

/Lukewarm/

Ari

(Her posting improved once I saw more for her. Someone prodded her on a read on someone I don't remember, but it didn't feel as if it was something she made up). Thinking about

Titus

some; from a glance at a recent scum game, she went hard after her partners. It doesn't feel like she's doing that this game and unless she has at least 1 partner in the townpool I'm inclined to believe she's town from that as well.

Chaos's vote being parked on Flubber feels strange. I feel as if he's abandoned (at least somewhat) pressing there in favor of calling out other slots as weird. But keeping his vote parked on Flubber while having another growing wagon (Meg) and acknowledging her as weird feels as if Chaos doesn't want to vote a partner and wants to go for a miselim on Flubber.

VOTE: MegAzumarill.

This, however, depends on Meg flipping scum. And given that Meg sounds awkward, fine to vote there regardless.

This comes across as an attack because I voted you and because I am the 'easiest' vote on your wagon that you could feasibly swing, and even then you're trying to frame it as 'they need more pressure' in a way that is underhanded. Your tone hasn't improved and I think that I'm probably correct about my previous thoughts on wagons.

Part of my point is that ChaosOmega ended up doing a similar bit to what you are doing (joining the wagon without adding any input to it), and ended up getting pressure for it. Why would that not apply to you, I feel even doubly so for putting Flubber at E-1. I think your spot deserves more looking into.

I also feel that it is incredibly strange that your vote on me you end up discussing just about every other player than the person you are voting.

I have input on my thoughts on the wagon in the post quoted. Do you need me to bold that for you too?

There's not much to say about you. You're stilted and tonally awkward. Your reads are barebones despite there being more than enough content. It feels like scum trying to act like they're solving without saying much at all, and most of my townreads are voting you too, so that gives me more confidence in the read.

[T3]

Wish I had more time today but something came up. Here goes my first batch of analysis. I probably will refrain from analysing Mathblade/seanzie slot for now. Hopefully, I can get the rest done today.

Alchemist: lots of posts, presses people for their reasonings, very reactionary, null read
Aristeia: posts little content, but still shows they are following the game closely in 184, strong townread
ChaosOmega: keeps posts long, fairly thoroughly analyses conversations, doesn’t actively push his reads out, weak townread
Datisi: tends to latch onto one thing about a player that they find suspicious and stick by it for long stretches, townread,
Flubber: doesn’t provide a lot of reads and doesn’t appear to be actively contributing, scumread
Gamma: reasonings seem to be understandable and seem to be thinking out their actions, townread

Mathblade: new sub in so chalk it up to a null read so far
Lukewarm: likes to move around their vote, clash with Chaos appears to be Town on town Imo, mainly coming from a disparity in approach to votes, slight townread
T3: is T3, slight townread
Titus: doesn’t seem super concerned with exactly who is limmed, which seems townie (as I suspect there are 1 or more scum outside of their townblock) but doesn’t seem to provide a good flow of logic into the game, slight townread
Tris: extremely scummy, lim on sight
Umlaut: mostly talks surrounding flubber, and not adding input on the rest of the game, posts intermittently but not often. Scumread
Vulture: on 2 occasions (me and flubber) added to a large wagon without providing thoughts of said wagon, very few reads given until very recently, Scumread

Honestly it feels like vulture hasn’t received enough pressure after their putting flubber at E-1. Especially after Chaos ended up doing the same before, with a much less meaningful vote.

VOTE: Vulture

okay then

- why is alchemist null? you listed things that seem like it should be ai (pressing for reasoning/being reactionary)? if they're not ai, why even bother to list them?
- why is "following the game closely" worthy of a *strong townread*? and what about her readslist made you so sure that it's genuine?
- why am i a townread for latching onto things for a long amount of time?
- what makes you believe that luke/omega is t/t?
- do you have exp with t3? why are they "slight townread"?

i also had a "provide examples" for pretty much every single one of your reads, but that got repetitive very quickly...

Newbie mentioning ongoing games be like

[T3]

Mathblade: new sub in so chalk it up to a null read so far
Lukewarm: likes to move around their vote, clash with Chaos appears to be Town on town Imo, mainly coming from a disparity in approach to votes, slight townread
T3: is T3, slight townread
Titus: doesn’t seem super concerned with exactly who is limmed, which seems townie (as I suspect there are 1 or more scum outside of their townblock) but doesn’t seem to provide a good flow of logic into the game, slight townread
Tris: extremely scummy, lim on sight
Umlaut: mostly talks surrounding flubber, and not adding input on the rest of the game, posts intermittently but not often. Scumread
Vulture: on 2 occasions (me and flubber) added to a large wagon without providing thoughts of said wagon, very few reads given until very recently, Scumread

Honestly it feels like vulture hasn’t received enough pressure after their putting flubber at E-1. Especially after Chaos ended up doing the same before, with a much less meaningful vote.

VOTE: Vulture

Really? I have more posts than a good chunk of the game and you can’t formulate any sort of read on me?

I'm in the same boat as meg tbh

[T3]

"they" are my reads on you. I see them falling on either side of the scum/town line right now, which is why I am leaving you as unsure on my reads list until I make up my mind.

Why do you find it so important I have a defined read on you? Seems like a little of a weird thing to ask of me. I would love to hear why you seem to want it so much.

I'll get to you Datisis in a few minutes.

Because you can give a quantifiable read on someone with less posts and interactions and can’t give a read on me despite me interacting with a decent portion of the game. It feels inauthentic to me.

The way you phrase it is also passive “I am a replacement so no read” vs actively engaging with content.

A scumread using ridiculous logic because it was Sunday and cats were meowing would be better than that.

Agreed.

[MathBlade]

Mathblade: new sub in so chalk it up to a null read so far
Lukewarm: likes to move around their vote, clash with Chaos appears to be Town on town Imo, mainly coming from a disparity in approach to votes, slight townread
T3: is T3, slight townread
Titus: doesn’t seem super concerned with exactly who is limmed, which seems townie (as I suspect there are 1 or more scum outside of their townblock) but doesn’t seem to provide a good flow of logic into the game, slight townread
Tris: extremely scummy, lim on sight
Umlaut: mostly talks surrounding flubber, and not adding input on the rest of the game, posts intermittently but not often. Scumread
Vulture: on 2 occasions (me and flubber) added to a large wagon without providing thoughts of said wagon, very few reads given until very recently, Scumread

Honestly it feels like vulture hasn’t received enough pressure after their putting flubber at E-1. Especially after Chaos ended up doing the same before, with a much less meaningful vote.

VOTE: Vulture

Really? I have more posts than a good chunk of the game and you can’t formulate any sort of read on me?

I'm in the same boat as meg tbh

Okay then ask me what you need to get a read on me. What helps you sort me?

[T3]

Mathblade: new sub in so chalk it up to a null read so far
Lukewarm: likes to move around their vote, clash with Chaos appears to be Town on town Imo, mainly coming from a disparity in approach to votes, slight townread
T3: is T3, slight townread
Titus: doesn’t seem super concerned with exactly who is limmed, which seems townie (as I suspect there are 1 or more scum outside of their townblock) but doesn’t seem to provide a good flow of logic into the game, slight townread
Tris: extremely scummy, lim on sight
Umlaut: mostly talks surrounding flubber, and not adding input on the rest of the game, posts intermittently but not often. Scumread
Vulture: on 2 occasions (me and flubber) added to a large wagon without providing thoughts of said wagon, very few reads given until very recently, Scumread

Honestly it feels like vulture hasn’t received enough pressure after their putting flubber at E-1. Especially after Chaos ended up doing the same before, with a much less meaningful vote.

VOTE: Vulture

Really? I have more posts than a good chunk of the game and you can’t formulate any sort of read on me?

I'm in the same boat as meg tbh

Okay then ask me what you need to get a read on me. What helps you sort me?

I don't know.
I guess I'll metadive you.