Mini Normal 2223 | Town Wins!

[Dwlee99]

I have different engagement levels with different games. Look at the recently finished Gypyx normal for proof of that.

[Dwlee99]

Skitter why do you town read me.

i liked your tone when you were joking around claims in rvs + your ico vote was good

This is weird though because I feel like I was townier last time we played and hard pushed a scum elimination through and you still scumread me.

sup

do you have, like, thoughts on the game today? where are your reads at

My head is literally empty.

well all right then

I killed scum and didn't catch one last night now what should I do?

[Dwlee99]

I can vote DGB but fmpov it'd be more of a meta thing than a this game thing which makes me feel uncomfortable because I don't know if <thing that I want to know if DGB justifies its play with>

My thoughts remain this. Convince me homie.

What is the meta thing?

DGB feels slightly off. I don't want to go into too much detail on it but it feels like DGB is doing a different playstyle this game which is the <> thing. I don't like meta much unless a player has shown they're incapable of surpressing their meta tells.

[Dwlee99]

^ that's the bracket thing

[Dwlee99]

I am fairly certain there is some kind of town killing role that did not claim and that dwlee was fishing because scum figured out it was likely based on N_M's role which is likely a protective based on his doctor softs

No, Titus was just scummy and I don't think the game would have two town killing roles. That's way too much swing. If I saw my hypothetical buddy was a protective why would that mean I thought there were two killing roles? I would think it would just be meant to protect one member against the babysitter, just like Nom/Vax's role in 233.

[Dwlee99]

"[Redacted]" ended today btw. Large Normal 233. town!Dwlee is very engaged in a 17p game all throughout. He didnt really miss things the way he does in this game when he says his eyes glazed over or when he said earlier he didnt read. Additionally, in one of the Salsabil games I read, Dwlee was scum and he had difficulty recalling specifics at times:

1.) I had a specific reason to be engaged that game. 2.) Me forgetting things is just dwlee-indicative.

[Dwlee99]

Maybe now t3 will believe me when I tell him meta is bad

[Dwlee99]

Also in case anyone has the wrong idea that they can effort trust tell me here's https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=86525 and also the mini normal where I was scum and Kyo says I had low memory/engagement, I actually had high engagement by the end.

[Salsabil Faria]

O my God!! Don't tell me it's

ssbm

and

Math

then

Yes, I know I said

I'm happy to loose

before, but lowkey I won't

[Salsabil Faria]

Ok

Dwlee

, I

think

I can believe you for a short time

UNVOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: Marci

[ssbm_Kyouko]

^ that's the bracket thing

I mean specifically, what is the meta tell that you didnt want to go into detail on? I've talked about [redacted], which you said was a bullshit reason to be scumreading you in the first place. I need you to explain the <thing> now, because as it is now, you didnt have a strong reason to not vote DGB

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Reading your iso in the Gypyx normal we can see evidence of solving on your 13th post. In this game there is something weak at iso post 30 and before that it's purely sheeping and omgus.

[Dwlee99]

Town!dwlee starts solving precisely at post 13. Scum!dwlee waits until at least the 14th, which is how you catch them.

^ that's the bracket thing

I mean specifically, what is the meta tell that you didnt want to go into detail on? I've talked about [redacted], which you said was a bullshit reason to be scumreading you in the first place. I need you to explain the <thing> now, because as it is now, you didnt have a strong reason to not vote DGB

DGB felt slightly off. It felt like DGB was doing a different playstyle this game.

[Dwlee99]

I am having trouble reading people so I'm sheeping my mason buddy.
VOTE: Titus

Ah but this is ISO post 10

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Mmm, no. The usage of the <thing> indicated it was something specific. If there is no believable <thing> you can point to, you were just making up a reason to not vote there, in a way that makes it look like "I'm not going to this player's defending for them, look at how town I am":

I can vote DGB but fmpov it'd be more of a meta thing than a this game thing which makes me feel uncomfortable because I don't know if <thing that I want to know if DGB justifies its play with>

There was definitely something specific you were referencing, and imo you can't point to what it is now because it wasn't real.

[Dwlee99]

The thing in brackets was "DGB is using a different playstyle"

[Dwlee99]

it feels like DGB is doing a different playstyle this game which is the <> thing.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Why were you sheeping Saudade at 392? You say that is ISO post 10, implying it is evidence you are solving. The only way that can be construed as evidence is if you already had "solved" that Saudade was town by that point. If you had, why was he town?

[Dwlee99]

I was pretending to be masons with him and I thought he seemed townie cause he was doing solving™

[Dwlee99]

Upon skim the Titus vote stands.

There's also this post

[ssbm_Kyouko]

So the Titus vote stood but the case on DGB felt like meta to you? I skim Titus's ISO up to 462 in a matter of seconds and it's as empty as DGB's was.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

if "Titus vote stands" is a real thought process from you, you should have had no problem accepting DGB as scum, but instead you say the case on it is just meta and you don't want to vote it in case it says its trying a different playstyle this game - these two thoughts don't exist together in a town mind. Also, look at the original case on DGB. Never a mention of "meta" or anything like it:

Fuck it what about this iso?
Desperately flocking to the prevailing wagons seemingly for no reason, assuming they're both town, 962 is the perfect time to make that post as scum. You get the towncred but also the prevailing wagons are TvT and it's safe to do so.

No content. Flip-flops onto town wagons without reason. Tries to scoop up low-hanging towncred. Yeet

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

[Dwlee99]

I didn't find DGB's ISO scummy when I read it, but I felt it was off in a meta way.

[Dwlee99]

At the point I skimmed Titus' ISO, she had done nothing but what we now know were crumbs.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Reading your iso in the Gypyx normal we can see evidence of solving on your 13th post. In this game there is something weak at iso post 30 and before that it's purely sheeping and omgus.

Also the point of this is obviously not "town!dwlee starts solving by post 13" - the point is, out the gate, as town, you are immediately making connections and asking questions that are obviously directed toward solving. In this game, you don't do anything that even resembles that until post 30, and when you do, it doesn't shout out loud "this is a meaningful question whose answer will contribute to my reads on players x and y." Town!you is transparently solving early. It takes longer for you to get involved in this game and it is a weaker involvement that is not necessarily town-indicative. And your ISO doesn't get better.

Why are Marci and Salsa not scum together? I thought you just pointed out at the start of this Day it makes sense for them to be scum together because when Salsa suspected either you or Marci she voted you?

Btw, I think it's

Dwlee

&

Marci

...

VOTE: Dwlee

Okay maybe there's credibility to the Salsa/Marci solve if Salsa is going to say we are both suspicious and then vote me.

Individual reads:

Me
(for math)
Conftown people

Math/Kyo

Salsa/Marci

NM

Together reads: my gut is telling me NM + a deep wolf, but obviously this doesn't match with the individual reads in a quantifiable way. Might be as simple as NM + one of Marci/salsa. I don't really think that Marci and salsa are scum together though? Based on what I've seen?

VOTE: NM

Kind of a PoE at this point

Unless deepwolf I feel okay about Kyo and Mathblade. My vibe tells me salsa and Marci aren't both scum at the very least.

That leaves you