Newbie 2071: The Sandwich Debate - End!

[petapan]

oh, right, i forgot i was technically scum with bulge in nightless exploder pandemonium, but that game obviously is not representative of anything

this is the sequence from the bulge i am looking at:

Do I let myself get pocketed by bulge and then lose in elo? The answer is, I hope not.

i think t3 is town

*opens pocket seams wider and more invitingly*

serious read tho

i think t3 is town

*opens pocket seams wider and more invitingly*

Happily jumps in

pedit:

this would be a very weird interaction between partners. it can be done, but most wouldn't choose to play it that way. the weird playfulness and him bluntly declaring a townread on t3 - it'd be bold, in particular because t3 gets a fair amount of scumreads and is a pretty decent bet to get flipped in any game. i think someone with knowledge of his alignment would be more inclined to see his play as scummy, in particular because his contribution was almost non-existent. i think this is more likely a case of bulge having an incorrect read than him trying to aggressively defend his partner. for reference, i looked at his newbie scumgame from last year, newbie2023, and his play around his partner there was a lot more conventional - slight distancing, some questioning of each other, nothing too weird, fairly safe. this would be a fairly significant deviation from bulge's established scumplay. i think his slot is probably town here based on this

[petapan]

i went to look at some other games even though different setups often mean playing differently around teammates and lol wtf are you doing bulge, you can't bus your entire team in nightless

[petapan]

this is kind of an awkward situation

general f3 theory says what gets said on this day is not that important, the main information you should base your decision around is on previous days

but as none of us are the original occupants of our slots in this sham of a game, we can't answer for our predecessors so even our ability to discuss past actions is limited



is there anything either of you want to ask me?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

this is kind of an awkward situation

general f3 theory says what gets said on this day is not that important, the main information you should base your decision around is on previous days

but as none of us are the original occupants of our slots in this sham of a game, we can't answer for our predecessors so even our ability to discuss past actions is limited



is there anything either of you want to ask me?

right now, GTH, who would you vote?

[petapan]

looker, b/c even though i feel like i have a lot of reason to distrust you, the evidence from earlier in the game points to bulge and t3 being unaligned, and i do actually think strange's play was +scum

[Lady Lambdadelta]

god this day is fucking with me

[petapan]

i have not been to many f3s as town (in forum mafia) so i don't have the practice

[Looker]

I don't mean to offend anyone, but it doesn't make sense. I'm getting big "my time to shine"/"super sleuth" energy, and I know that's part of the game, but I can't sit here and pretend this is anything other than subjective, self-serving angleshooting when everything is based on opinion or interpretation.

[Looker]

I don't see the point of WIFOMing hypothetical NKs - "I would have..." etc - I don't believe any of it. Saying replacements are scum-indicative is moot because we've all been replaced - the only difference is that your guys' slots weren't filled with newbies. You imply that T3 not voting me would have been distancing, but say that since he did vote me, it's bussing. And then you go looking for shaky play in newbie predecessors, but Strangematter being bored doesn't make him scum.

[Looker]

And re:being bored, I don't think T3 and Bulge joking within the first few pages in a newbie is alignment-indicative, but I'm willing to concede you believe that, even though your next post is you expressing unfamiliarity with Bulge's play. The whole thing just seems ad hoc.

[Looker]

Also, you keep bringing up Strangematter, but what did he actually do? Especially compared to two miselims. He has 9 posts.

[petapan]

I don't mean to offend anyone, but it doesn't make sense. I'm getting big "my time to shine"/"super sleuth" energy, and I know that's part of the game, but I can't sit here and pretend this is anything other than subjective, self-serving angleshooting when everything is based on opinion or interpretation.

I don't see the point of WIFOMing hypothetical NKs - "I would have..." etc - I don't believe any of it. Saying replacements are scum-indicative is moot because we've all been replaced - the only difference is that your guys' slots weren't filled with newbies. You imply that T3 not voting me would have been distancing, but say that since he did vote me, it's bussing. And then you go looking for shaky play in newbie predecessors, but Strangematter being bored doesn't make him scum.

And re:being bored, I don't think T3 and Bulge joking within the first few pages in a newbie is alignment-indicative, but I'm willing to concede you believe that, even though your next post is you expressing unfamiliarity with Bulge's play. The whole thing just seems ad hoc.

that's the fucking game, looker

[petapan]

but no, i'm not really trying to show off, i'm just trying to make a guess at the answer in a game i don't have much investment in

[petapan]

although you have wildly misinterpreted my arguments in ways i would not think possible with a cursory understanding of english

[petapan]

i get it you're the cool edgy mafia nihilist dude

yawn, boring

[petapan]

Also, you keep bringing up Strangematter, but what did he actually do? Especially compared to two miselims. He has 9 posts.

this is strange wording to say that i "keep bringing [them] up" given that i've mentioned strange twice because i thought them showing up and contributing nothing was suspect

you say they were "bored" but as far as i can tell that's pure speculation on your part, nothing in their posts indicated they were bored, they made statements about catching up and being busy. sometimes people are busy. sometimes they make excuses when they're scum and don't know what to post.

as i already said looking at strangematter's other games they had no trouble posting content as town so them having nothing to say here is suspect


of course, i could be entirely off base and reading too much into it

that's the fucking game, looker

[petapan]

as it is you seem content to mostly just shoot down discussion and advance nothing yourself because you're, like, so hip and edgy and above it all

if you think it's me still i encourage you to go for it and vote me

[petapan]

thinking on it, it's interesting that your immediate put-down is "trying to be a super sleuth" because it seems to be presuming that i'm doing this

for real

rather than making up stuff to be manipulative, you know?

[fferyllt]

Vote Count 4-2

Sandwich or no?

Not Voting

(3): looker, Lady Lambdadelta, petapan

With 3 alive, it takes 2 to eliminate.

Deadline: August 10, Midnight US Eastern Time.

Countdown: (expired on 2021-08-09 21:00:00)

Mod Notes:

- fferyllt-Cabd combined ISO for vote counts
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[Lady Lambdadelta]

Look, I gotta be honest.

I'm back reading the game...and trying to solve it, and I'm still getting stuck in the same rut I had when I initially went for a solve.

But I can't imagine you not killing me Peta.

[petapan]

meh

i have a lot of reservations based on the way things are going

but it's hard for me to overlook the early game stuff with bulge

i'm going to give him one last reread

[petapan]

whatever

if you're scum please give a thank you letter to the bulge for this game because i reread his iso and decided he looked town

VOTE: looker

[petapan]

UNVOTE:

eh one more time

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Not voting.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Well, I guess P-Edit changed that but, yea