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[Morning Tweet]

there's a sizable difference when i rep in as town versus scum but it's not effort-wise. This is my scum rep-in

The difference is whether or not im willing to constantly have takes versus keeping everyone mostly at "slight town" or "null". you can probably guess which one of those i do as scum constantly.

[Morning Tweet]

well my only apprehension about heavening MT is that I want them in the game

That's pretty much all I've got for this day phase

♡

it sucks having to basically carry out the same function as night killing your top town lol

there's no night kills so you just have to do it yourself

fucked up

Well the interesting thing about this setup is that for scum to win, they MUST flip their best players

And usually the house starts to crumble if the leader goes absent. you've got all the associatives

So if scum were to get flipped I probably wouldn't be terribly beat up about it if they were someone we were never going to catch. I suppose my point is that you don't *have* to heaven top town. Although it's probably the most intuitive and safest.

Also, have we played before by the way?

[Morning Tweet]

You wanted to heaven T3?

I appearently didn't say T3 was a TR or if I did I can't find it

I kind of implied it here

Spoiler:

I don't recall you saying you TR enchant, so is there another reason?

vote farren

im intending to switch to t3 regardless b4 deadline. I'm not letting a wagon farren wants get through

Ok, VOTE: Farren

Actually I don't know why I'm townreading flow trap.

My charm obviously :D

Though, perhaps a sense of TvT banter

Well i mean there's townreading then there's Heavening which (presumably) meant T3 was your most confident town out of everyone

could i ask why you like or liked T3 perhaps?

[Morning Tweet]

Morning Tweet is town for effort I think. That doesn't totally outweigh the meta case on nsg.

So am i town for effort or is NSG's meta making me scum, you can't do both then pick whichever one is convenient later

It's easy to post a lot when you start with 39 pages?

I would say.... yes, for the most part. I think T3's read of me is as boiled down as it can get. I think it's possible to TR the review but not because im posting a lot

[Morning Tweet]

lol.
MT definitely rolled a scum PM with farren :lol:

OOF

I think your tunnel on Farren is bad and you were correct townreading him earlier in the game and some of his best parts (EoD) you're scumreading but I have not quite gotten the scum motivation for discrediting your heaven preemptively.

Don't worry though the start of today where i presume you talk more about it is what im gonna read more of tonight

[Ich Troje]

You dont seem to understand how my read was formed in the first place

[Morning Tweet]

yes

[Esooa]

don't think we've played

[flow trap]

could i ask why you like or liked T3 perhaps?

Yes, but I forgot

I think they sounded relaxed which is towny

[Morning Tweet]

could i ask why you like or liked T3 perhaps?

Yes, but I forgot :good:

I think they sounded relaxed which is towny

lmao yall are killing me this game

don't think we've played

I see, i see

im gonna give Ich's Farren SR an honest go since I was probably glossing a bit over it earlier

I think the crackpot paranoia theory about me/you/redtea is like, far more likely to come from a diseased town brain than a scum brain

I think generally the way they're thinking about the game state, while not necessarily accurate, points towards a town mindset

and i liked their progression on my slot

I have a dinner but I can expand a little later tonight. or honestly just next phase because I think they're my heaven candidate

Excellent. Then how does someone you think has a "diseased town brain" and comes up with a "crackpot paranoia theory" makes a good Heaven candidate, given the existence of Judgment Day?

Farren, it feels really badly like you're setting up to avoid voting for me D2 and planting excuses as well as pushing others to not do so either. Not sure what to think of it.

Okay, so why does Farren need to stop you in specific from getting voted in? Let's go over the context.. Farren has already expressed a townlean on you. Farren isn't saying you're scummy, he is contesting Dann's reasoning to have you go to heaven when he describes you as having diseased town brain

It seems most likely to me this came from a misunderstanding of what "diseased town brain" meant, no? farren seems to interpret it as "Ich is a tinfoil conpiracy theorist all the time" when Dann more or less was just applying it to the one read you made on Dann/NSG that one time as a reason to TR you.

But maybe Farren fakes the misunderstanding or is just trying to discredit you. Why do you think he feels the need to do that?

Farren, do you think i have a "diseased town brain" then?

Because that's dann's read, not yours, but you took it and said "i dont want that in heaven".

Also while im on the subject, you seem to have misinterpreted Farren as saying "I dont want that in heaven", when he was actually saying "Why would you want that in Heaven, Dann?"

Addtionally, you had a really hard TR on Farren before this point, so I **reeallly** question why you're taking the nongenerous route that he's discrediting you rather than the generous one that he is simply questioning Dann's logic.

[Morning Tweet]

That is really funny that you were taking his scum meta though lol. My point being is that you were townreading Farren very hard up til that point so theoretically you're actually a good heaven candidate. Scum doesn't need to send scum to heaven, they can actually just send pocketed townies just fine. Anyway,

After a brief reskim I firmly believe Enchant/Farren is TvS

I already engaged with this but you haven't replied yet -- i didnt even notice these two interact, so I'm curious what you meant by this.

Oh yeah, twilight is a thing. I can post until flipped.

Hope you've got a lot of good explaining skills, Enchant, because that was a pretty scummy last minute vote there.

Last words: keep Ich Troje out of heaven.

You know you werent being limmed here

This is a confirm biased read unless you have reason to believe that's the case over him not knowing imo

also after me yall 100% need to turbo farren into hell

Not happening if I have anything to say about it. Either of these things.

I do not risk my life like that as scum unless there is a significant reward outweighing the risk. T3 could easily have switched back to me, and I'd be dead instead.

The only way scum|me doesn't have to worry about that is if T3 is scum as well. In which case, that entire song-and-dance is completely unnecessary, and everything was faked.

And there's no way scum|me could fake that ending, unless *Enchant* was scum and in on it. The timing was too tight unless I know it's happening in advance. Given that Enchant didn't say anything until *literally* the last minute, and given that Enchant flipped Town - not possible.

As for you - no. Not how after you ended D1. If you're Town, I strongly recommend taking a step back and looking at things again. Because otherwise, this is not going to end well for either of us.

these are the ramblings of scum desperate to explain their actions. You were only concerned with self preservation. Nothing else. If you were town who really thought I was scum, you let yourself flip there and then your town flip would be pretty decisive for that. But no, I do not believe you flip town here. And my town flip here will prove you are full of shit.

You're in full anti-spew mode and you know you won't be sheeped here.

T3 is the one who saved his ass by making a townread on Farren and convincing Farren to switch his vote??? If you wanna talk self-preservation lol

I'm curious why you're applying anti-spew mode, he doesn't even really mention anyone other than T3 in that post. And I mean, you do need to explain why scum!Farren opens himself up to getting killed by T3 there, no?

I see you're assuming that T3 is therefore scum with Farren since it makes no sense from scum!Farren and town!T3. Okay then, I guess.

the salt stuff and farren not interacting with u doesnt mean much to me let me know if it is important i guess

lmao please fuck off with that, you KNEW as soon as you voted enchant you were safe unless someone else came in and swapped off enchant, and posted with that assumption.

Why do you think this? What is the reasoning you're using to conclude Farren did everything through a scum lense? You're not refuting his points you're basically just calling him a liar which is pointless

[ManateeDude]

Heaven VC1.03

Music later

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to send someone to Heaven

Ich Troje (3):

T3, Ich Troje, flow trap

Morning Tweet (2):

Esooa, Farren

Not Voting:

Dannflor, redtea, Morning Tweet

Deadline

(expired on 2021-08-03 15:30:00) from now

Mod Notes:

prodding redtea

[Morning Tweet]

me and esooa mindmelding
'cept for dann heaven
then again i have one (1) person im confident sending to heaven and i don't want to this phase

To be honest it's kind of felt the same way for me

Like those thoughts exactly actually

Flowtrap do you intentionally try to be as scummy as possible just as town or do you do that as both alignments

howdy

howdy howdy howdy

Damn where am I at

Uhhhh so like as I read later into the game my heart wants Esooa and redtea to be town pretty strongly. By heart i just mean sharing takes with them and really *feeling* it but i dont so much have a reason

My head says Ich/Farren are town for more classical reasons i guess.

and a mixture of both doesn't like T3 and Dann. I would condemn T3 to the fiery pits of hell in a heartbeat. Like literally even if he is town (Which im doubting but it's T3 i guess) i dont want him anywhere near judgment day LMAO

Flow I would probably defer to the whoever the flow professionals are i have 0 experience with him

@Manatee

You've got NSG on the VC

[Morning Tweet]

HOLY FUCK it's deadline?

Well I'm not done playing this game personally so I'd probably vote Ich, probably town for basic reasons.. even if Ich is scum i'd rather have them eliminated rn then reeval anyway

My only concern being is that if Farren is in fact town, which I lean towards I guess not with total confidence but some, then we autolose judgement day

[Morning Tweet]

i'd have to review to find the scum within redtea/Esooa/Farren...? if flow is town or i messed up a scumread. I would guess Esooa even though i like her. I think dunking on T3 is viable enough and i psyche myself out with some of the Dann/T3 interactions. But tbh i was tired and paranoid af for some reason when i read over those, would have to check again

There'll be plenty of time assuming we're heavening Ich

[Morning Tweet]

Also this game always been this dead? Think Ich implied that earlier. That's a shame, i prefer more material >w< tried my best in any case

The only thing I really want to do rn is kill T3 and heaven Ich

[Morning Tweet]

Also don't vote Ich just let the deadline timer run out

[Farren]

It seems most likely to me this came from a misunderstanding of what "diseased town brain" meant, no? farren seems to interpret it as "Ich is a tinfoil conpiracy theorist all the time" when Dann more or less was just applying it to the one read you made on Dann/NSG that one time as a reason to TR you.

If memory serves, I interpreted it as "coming up with bad reads," or something along those lines, at least in my head. The exact interpretation didn't really matter, though:

Okay, so why does Farren need to stop you in specific from getting voted in? Let's go over the context.. Farren has already expressed a townlean on you. Farren isn't saying you're scummy, he is contesting Dann's reasoning to have you go to heaven when he describes you as having diseased town brain

Also while im on the subject, you seem to have misinterpreted Farren as saying "I dont want that in heaven", when

he was actually saying "Why would you want that in Heaven, Dann?

"

This is an accurate paraphrase of the event, at least with regards to what I said and did.

[ManateeDude]

@Manatee

You've got NSG on the VC

fixed ty!

[flow trap]

Flowtrap do you intentionally try to be as scummy as possible just as town or do you do that as both alignments

When I'm town I play like how I want to play town

When I'm maf I play like how other people want me to play town

[Farren]

HOLY FUCK it's deadline?

Well I'm not done playing this game personally so I'd probably vote Ich, probably town for basic reasons.. even if Ich is scum i'd rather have them eliminated rn then reeval anyway

My only concern being is that if Farren is in fact town, which I lean towards I guess not with total confidence but some, then we autolose judgement day

*ding ding ding*

If they're scum, then scum is one step closer to a Heaven victory - but we get some breathing room during Hell 2.
If they're Town, then you have precisely summed up the problem.

Except that there's an obvious solution to that problem, if it arises: eliminating me during Hell 2. Better would be eliminating scum, but we'd be in a 4v3 ELo; I don't like our odds in that world.

Or we exalt someone else. Problem: If we exalt Town, then I predict Hell 2 will be a redux of what Heaven 1 started as - which is not conducive to actually figuring anything out. If we exalt scum ... probably the same outcome, except it isn't Judgment Day when it happens, so there's at least some extra time.

[redtea]

haven't fully read the last page but all these tabs are gonna crash my laptop and i don't feel like spending time unquoting myself, so im posting some of these now
they may or may not read a little out of order, sorry if so

It's easy to post a lot when you start with 39 pages?

you're just jealous she can do quantity AND quality
has literally done more scumhunting than anyone else in the game

MT is either high-effort scum the heights of which make slackers like me quake in their shoes, or town.
so unless anyone has something to actually say in regards to the former, mt is gonna sit right next to farren in my town reads

Morning Tweet is town for effort I think. That doesn't totally outweigh the meta case on nsg.

if you used mt's review of that just now as a summary, i know there was more to the meta case than just that which basically contradicted the original one. I

think

someone said their scumplay improved majorly over time?
not that I don't agree with you, but for completeness's sake

there's a sizable difference when i rep in as town versus scum but it's not effort-wise. This is my scum rep-in

The difference is whether or not im willing to constantly have takes versus keeping everyone mostly at "slight town" or "null". you can probably guess which one of those i do as scum constantly.

and MT brings it up herself!

maybe it's the fact i'm informed on your alignment reading that game, but your coverage there seems a lot sloppier than your coverage here. More just throwing shit out and seeing what people make of it rather than having your own internal consistency/thought train, if that makes sense.

[redtea]

MT #979
if im reading this right are you saying dann is dancing around t3 based on his post about people dancing around t3

MT #981
as to dann seeing more into nsg's post than there probably was- being ungenerous as it were- in my opinion, the ich/esooa blowup mirrors it. Ich was finding all kinds of shit in esooa that neither i nor anyone else (iirc) was seeing, or at least not anywhere near to the depth he was.

Is that something you've considered yet? Or do you have any strong thoughts about that interaction?

(add: i might go back and review ich/farren, similarly. Can you see why i don't want to heaven ich? lol)

T3 just gets scummier as I read though I have no idea why he's not being called out harder.

I know this is mainly about him/dan, but as for the others it may or may not be because it's heaven phase. Otherwise I know I'd be casing him right now.

[redtea]

well my only apprehension about heavening MT is that I want them in the game

That's pretty much all I've got for this day phase

it sucks having to basically carry out the same function as night killing your top town lol

there's no night kills so you just have to do it yourself

fucked up

very true
this mirrors my feelings about heavening farren. I guess i can't say much irt mt, as she's been, you know, reviewing, but if nothing else i think farren is enough to keep us on the "straight and narrow", and mt could be heavened today. i trust her over ich, anyway.
i wouldn't

dislike

the other way around, but that's how i'd prefer it.

[redtea]

[MT] has literally done more scumhunting than anyone else in the game

actually im doing nsg dirty by saying that. Same slot tho