mini normal 2226; who won

[ChaosOmega]

Apologies, I'm back, should have declared a v/la. Reading back through what I've missed very hungover.

[Vulture]

VOTE: Flubbernugget

E-1.

So let’s assume for a moment that I am scum doing this vote.

The motivation is that I am trying to get Flubber hammered early, yes? I want people to go for it, and barring anyone lolhammering for the sake of it I have to justify why to the audience of non-voters.

My very first post was attacking Flubber. This works with the above, making Flubber out to be bad.

My question then becomes: “When does Titus’s critical thinking kick in, reading what follows?” However, I actually think Titus didn’t use it and just went off vote counts because she thinks they’re a Bible that will gamesolve for her without effort.

If I am trying to sell Flubber as a good elim in this vote and I presumably have set up, even if it’s a small degree given early game, why do I not bring up my scumread on him until after I was asked and just go “meh, let’s see what happens?” in 154 when 158 is something I can post with the vote instead to make it look even marginally better? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I opened this game commenting on Flubber.

[Datisi]

...t3, what was 921 even supposed to say?

[T3]

...t3, what was 921 even supposed to say?

People voting for Vulture.

[Titus]

I hate if I was scum, why wouldn't I do X arguments? It's a question that's really a way for people to defend themselves without actually being townie. There's so many reasons why people do something. It's not like scum are going to say "yes you got me" to any response anyway.

[Lukewarm]

I'm super disengaged but I think Prism v Ari is tvt.

VOTE: vult
I'll sheep.

Who are you sheeping here?

Neither Prism nor Ari are voting for vulture atm.

People voting for Vulture.

(Fixed it)

Okay, but generally when town is sheeping, they have like, a strong town read that they are sheeping....

Not just sheeping the most recent wagon gaining steam...

[Vulture]

I hate if I was scum, why wouldn't I do X arguments? It's a question that's really a way for people to defend themselves without actually being townie. There's so many reasons why people do something. It's not like scum are going to say "yes you got me" to any response anyway.

It’s an attempt to get you to use more than two braincells on my motivations as scum v town and why the scum ones don’t hold weight. Which if you want to call it a defense, sure, but it’s more a commentary on how shortsighted of an analysis you did.

[Vulture]

Tomato, tomato.

[Vulture]

But then again I’ve genuinely never seen you apply correct VCA as long as I’ve been around and only seen it used to help scum so my faith is little.

[Datisi]

It's opportunistic. He has one or two posts before riding the Flubber wave. Once it gets going as a wagon, he puts E minus 1 super early. He has no realistic comment on anyone else.

i mean... how is that opportunistic is my question? i definitely dislike early y-1's but i dislike them for different reasons (opens up room for ballsy scum to hammer early - nothing to do with the person doing the y-1 vote). what does scum!vulture except there to happen? that someone will just run with the vote and decide to hammer flubber on page <10?

don't get me wrong, i don't think this vote makes vulture town, i'm just saying i don't think it's scum!indicative.

[Titus]

I hate if I was scum, why wouldn't I do X arguments? It's a question that's really a way for people to defend themselves without actually being townie. There's so many reasons why people do something. It's not like scum are going to say "yes you got me" to any response anyway.

It’s an attempt to get you to use more than two braincells on my motivations as scum v town and why the scum ones don’t hold weight. Which if you want to call it a defense, sure, but it’s more a commentary on how shortsighted of an analysis you did.

But then again I’ve genuinely never seen you apply correct VCA as long as I’ve been around and only seen it used to help scum so my faith is little.

This is really encouraging me to look elsewhere. [/sarcasm]

It's fair enough to say that you aren't lockscum based on my VCA alone. You're just my biggest suspect. I'm townreading all but you and Chaos on that wagon. Your ISO lacks content. So does Chaos. Chaos is VLA.

What's your excuse?

[Lukewarm]

mind answering my q from 908?

My answer before kind of included posts after that.

615 is a nothing post
620 is a nothing post

628 is a LOT of words to say "Read list was shortned, can elaborate on anything you ask me about"

726 is part of the "feels more like a conversation in abstraction" I mentioned before

And partly feels like something I have seen 1 other newbie scum do (grandpamo, in aliensitter) where they made their points really extra long winded to get people to kinda glaze over and skim past it.

[Lukewarm]

I hate if I was scum, why wouldn't I do X arguments? It's a question that's really a way for people to defend themselves without actually being townie. There's so many reasons why people do something. It's not like scum are going to say "yes you got me" to any response anyway.

If this is wrt to me and Dats, I am trying to get a better understanding of his worry, because it did not make sense to me

[Titus]

It's opportunistic. He has one or two posts before riding the Flubber wave. Once it gets going as a wagon, he puts E minus 1 super early. He has no realistic comment on anyone else.

i mean... how is that opportunistic is my question? i definitely dislike early y-1's but i dislike them for different reasons (opens up room for ballsy scum to hammer early - nothing to do with the person doing the y-1 vote). what does scum!vulture except there to happen? that someone will just run with the vote and decide to hammer flubber on page <10?

don't get me wrong, i don't think this vote makes vulture town, i'm just saying i don't think it's scum!indicative.

It's opportunistic because the main, if not only, thing Vulture had done is promote the Flubber wagon. Either a) he hoped it would go through and it's a rush or b) he knew it wouldn't and he was safe. Either way, scum Vulture keeps the attention on Flubber and off solving the game.

[Prism]

I am tilted for several reasons and some are outside this game but others are not.

I am tilted at the Vulture wagon but I am even more tilted by Vulture and I have already started off my morning being nasty.

Aristeia if you're that worried about me pacing the game/controlling the thread you fucking try instead.

[Vulture]

I hate if I was scum, why wouldn't I do X arguments? It's a question that's really a way for people to defend themselves without actually being townie. There's so many reasons why people do something. It's not like scum are going to say "yes you got me" to any response anyway.

It’s an attempt to get you to use more than two braincells on my motivations as scum v town and why the scum ones don’t hold weight. Which if you want to call it a defense, sure, but it’s more a commentary on how shortsighted of an analysis you did.

But then again I’ve genuinely never seen you apply correct VCA as long as I’ve been around and only seen it used to help scum so my faith is little.

This is really encouraging me to look elsewhere. [/sarcasm]

It's fair enough to say that you aren't lockscum based on my VCA alone. You're just my biggest suspect. I'm townreading all but you and Chaos on that wagon. Your ISO lacks content. So does Chaos. Chaos is VLA.

What's your excuse?

Check literally any game that I’ve played. This rate of posting is steady across them (and they’re all town games).

Is there anything actually scummy about the content.

[Vulture]

I am tilted for several reasons and some are outside this game but others are not.

I am tilted at the Vulture wagon but I am even more tilted by Vulture and I have already started off my morning being nasty.

Aristeia if you're that worried about me pacing the game/controlling the thread you fucking try instead.

If you wanted me to engage more, here you go.

[Lukewarm]

even talking about them becoming your preferred vote, but you didn't vote them.

Also, about this. moment they were my prefered vote, I voted them.

I started with them being scummy, but chaos was my preferred vote.

Then, it got to the point where it was about equal.

Then, I saw the vulture counter wagon pop up from no where, and making sure one of my top scum reads was a viable wagon was enough to push my vote over

[Prism]

I'm going to work and hopefully return to a pleasant/diplomatic state. I know Titus asked about my Vulture TR, tl;dr they do this stupid fucking deadweight act every game and live to take shots & feel superior when someone actually plays the game and pushes them for it. Horrendous fucking play and maybe they're worth a policy but I think they're town.

[Titus]

I hate if I was scum, why wouldn't I do X arguments? It's a question that's really a way for people to defend themselves without actually being townie. There's so many reasons why people do something. It's not like scum are going to say "yes you got me" to any response anyway.

If this is wrt to me and Dats, I am trying to get a better understanding of his worry, because it did not make sense to me

You and Vulture both did that. I probably have done it before. I hate it because it usually generates unreadable content, but it's usually NAI. The only time it works is when the reason is so fucking obvious to everyone.

[MathBlade]

Maybe there’s more to it in the Titus and Math back and forth that I have chosen not to read because it feels like it’s insular and beneficial to only them, but man, not like I have too much faith in any read that generates from there anyways.

This is why I said don’t meta me.

You can literally build a case that I do almost anything as scum. Some games I manipulate people socially like Boonskiies and Calculasia. Some games I just lurk (well lurk by my standards) like in Werewolf is Mafia. Others I am town leader like Gistou.

You can literally build a case that I do almost anything as town. I manipulate people 992 are you my partner.
Vibe with people and use that in seemingly a scummy way to defend a town read: Charge Me Up
Town leader: Raw Unfiltered UPick

If you have an opinion one way or another about me, you can and will succeed in making a meta case about it because I work damn hard in making sure that I don’t have trust tells so you have to read me in the game we are in.

It’s why I never engaged in T3’s incorrect meta here. I am not a “lurk/passive” unless I think it benefits my alignment. T3’s perception still helps them to read me so I just let it go.

This on the other hand doesn’t look like an attempt to read but an attempt to shade. Yes I buddied Titus hard in that game. There’s also Warehouse 13 where I reached out to her so hard about SirCakez it frustrated me to no end. SirCakez is one of the few players I “just get”.

If you’re going to go down a meta case you have to at least follow it up here.

And if you think I did what I did with Titus JUST for Titus you’re sorely mistaken. There are some things that are just too anti town to say so I have to avoid answering the question. So I always try to answer it as best I can to the person who asks.

[Prism]

I am tilted for several reasons and some are outside this game but others are not.

I am tilted at the Vulture wagon but I am even more tilted by Vulture and I have already started off my morning being nasty.

Aristeia if you're that worried about me pacing the game/controlling the thread you fucking try instead.

If you wanted me to engage more, here you go.

Haha yeah this is exactly what I was hoping for thank you!

[Datisi]

And even following that, it has taken questions for Meg to expound on things. And the way they have expounded, feels more like a conversation in abstraction then how they feel about each player they are talking about. Like, why each action could be read the way they read them in the read lists, as opposed to what they think about each player.

you're right, sorry i read this paragraph and then promptly deleted it from my brain for some reason

i think "conversation in abstraction" puts into words what i've been vaguely feeling about most of meg's posts but was struggling to express.

[MathBlade]

I'm going to work and hopefully return to a pleasant/diplomatic state. I know Titus asked about my Vulture TR, tl;dr they do this stupid fucking deadweight act every game and live to take shots & feel superior when someone actually plays the game and pushes them for it. Horrendous fucking play and maybe they're worth a policy but I think they're town.

Absolutely not.

Titus is 100% not worth a policy this game. And yeah she pokes at things that she doesn’t agree with but that’s what literally everyone does. She’s just blunt about it.

If you’re talking policy D1 your head is not in the game.

[Prism]

That's about Vulture, MathBlade