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[Dannflor]

red tea doesn't feel particularly low content to me? That feels like a scum read because you *needed* to have another null/scum read in your pile

[flow trap]

Spoiler:

Scum don't win at parity. Parity triggers Judgment Day.

Idk, that sounds like something you want to avoid but better than losing?

I have no idea how to judge new situations

2) If you're Town, you're not 100% sold on scum|me.

Well this is true, you're one of the 2 that has done something above mildly scummy imo, but it hasn't been consistent and I don't like declaring things 100% anyways

Scumm Dannflor is scummy. Town Dannflor is towny.

Alright, makes sense

Hang on, that's just circular reasoning

Wait what?! Mmm, you tricked me!

VOTE: farren

Obviously you have some opinions on the gamestate, given this.

Gamestate#Reads???

Essoa I have no idea.
You're mafia.
MT is town.
flow is town lean.
redtea is scum lwan.
Dann is town lean.
I'm openwolfing scum. ^j^

Somewhat agree
Neutral
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Agree
Dann is that one player I TLed at the start of the game and kept it because they didn't do anything crazy, so I might be blindsighted there
*Openwolfing town

There may be some funny = town bias

Honestly same, which might be partially in play to my TR on you

i consistently post in giant unmissable blocks there is no excuse except laziness

Lazy is NAI

Scum|flow trap would have to worry either way - if I win the fight, he's eliminated; if I lose the fight, he has to not get murdered by Ich Troje in Judgment Day.

I would like to know why Ich would go "A locktown pushed someone I told them too, they must be scum"

Scumm Dannflor is scummy. Town Dannflor is towny.

?

T3, you got a confused reaction to a joke like I do

red tea doesn't feel particularly low content to me? That feels like a scum read because you *needed* to have another null/scum read in your pile

(To be fair I do that as town sometimes to get a general direction of where I want to go) But I think they confused low content with content they skimmed over

[Farren]

Gamestate#Reads???

Reads are part of the gamestate.

I would like to know why Ich would go "A locktown pushed someone I told them too, they must be scum"

1) You're not locktown.
2) Try "flow trap pushed someone I told them to, who then flipped green. Maybe the people pushing Farren were scum." Granted, it could go the other way - but it'd still be something to worry about. Far less predictable about what happens then.

No comments on what I said about Town|flow trap?

[flow trap]

Pretty sure Ich said I was locktown

[flow trap]

Well they also said you were locktown ig

[redtea]

red tea doesn't feel particularly low content to me? That feels like a scum read because you *needed* to have another null/scum read in your pile

to be fair he basically said as much

[redtea]

i consistently post in giant unmissable blocks there is no excuse except laziness

Lazy is NAI

clearly

[redtea]

Im stuck on mobile again so I'll come back to the rest later

[flow trap]

i consistently post in giant unmissable blocks there is no excuse except laziness

Lazy is NAI

clearly

Would you like some coffee?

[Dannflor]

T3, can you go a little in depth on your town lean of me?

[Esooa]

oh yeah this is a thing

[Esooa]

I'm gonna play some vidya then I'll solve the game

[redtea]

get a load of this guy

[Farren]

Pretty sure Ich said I was locktown

Well they also said you were locktown ig

They also said I was scum, repeatedly, and more recently. Regardless, though. If you are scum, you know I'm Town - and that my flipping will give them a strong incentive to re-evaluate.

As a side note - do you think you are locktown, or were you just saying that from what you thought Ich Troje's POV is?

[Dannflor]

flow trap who do you want to hell today?

[ManateeDude]

Hell VC2.01

Released in 1981

With 7 alive, it takes 4 to send someone to Hell

Farren (1):

T3

T3 (1):

redtea

Not Voting:

Dannflor, Morning Tweet, flow trap, Esooa, Farren

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-08-08 22:30:00)

Mod Notes:

[flow trap]

flow trap who do you want to hell today?

Red

[flow trap]

As a side note - do you think you are locktown, or were you just saying that from what you thought Ich Troje's POV is?

The latter

[Farren]

Okay, fair enough.

Why redtea? Not so much "why do you scumread redtea" but "why do you think redtea is the best choice for elimination?"

Or if either of those statements I put in quotes don't apply, please let me know and we'll go from there.

[Morning Tweet]

Flow and T3 immediately voting Farren ?.? How convenient that such memey players just happen to have probably the most viable elimination as their chief scumread

[Morning Tweet]

well i wouldve had to convince someone to vote mt with me anyway

Morning Tweet could have self-voted.
Whether or not she would have is a different question, but it was certainly an option for her at the time.

true enough
just because it's you- were you going anywhere with this?

ye i wouldn't have though, wanna keep playing

T3, what's your evaluation of the gamestate right now?

No clue.

So you're completely lost then, except you know you wanna vote Farren

[Morning Tweet]

PoE and also just not even doing much in the way of like... actual content.

So when asked about redtea, your answer is "Idk they haven't done actual content" (which isn't really true)

There may be some funny = town bias. Honestly I haven't really noticed redtea that much.

and when asked about flow the first thing that comes to mind is that he's funny

Like T3 is capable of having reads, he can show at least some thought process but this game it justs sounds like you're making stuff up and havent actually been following along and solving

[Morning Tweet]

Scumm Dannflor is scummy. Town Dannflor is towny.

What is your point?

[T3]

PoE and also just not even doing much in the way of like... actual content.

So when asked about redtea, your answer is "Idk they haven't done actual content" (which isn't really true)

There may be some funny = town bias. Honestly I haven't really noticed redtea that much.

and when asked about flow the first thing that comes to mind is that he's funny

Like T3 is capable of having reads, he can show at least some thought process but this game it justs sounds like you're making stuff up and havent actually been following along and solving

So uh
Honestly redtea was in my PoE so I kind of made up reasons. Honestly I'm self conscious about how my readlists look as both alignments. I know this sounds scummy af but *shrug*

[Morning Tweet]

Spoiler: re MT

MT #979
if im reading this right are you saying dann is dancing around t3 based on his post about people dancing around t3

Hahahahaha

It's just EXACTLY the kind of post i would make to justify keeping a scummy slot in contention but not directly suspect them. Cause you could easily just do the opposite and say "If T3 were town, I think scum would probably just townread/ignore him and let town murder him, then profit and win". I'd just use whichever one of those takes are more convenient to me -- it's a bit less likely id use them as town

okay. okay, i guess i can see how this level of abstraction still has something to say.

MT #981
as to dann seeing more into nsg's post than there probably was- being ungenerous as it were- in my opinion, the ich/esooa blowup mirrors it. Ich was finding all kinds of shit in esooa that neither i nor anyone else (iirc) was seeing, or at least not anywhere near to the depth he was.

Is that something you've considered yet? Or do you have any strong thoughts about that interaction?

(add: i might go back and review ich/farren, similarly. Can you see why i don't want to heaven ich? lol)

I recall Ich being like "Esooa you're not making sense SMH go in the scumpile timeout and think about what you did"

i also recall Ich clinging to a metatell on Esooa that was making Esooa pretty annoyed

It came across to me like Ich was confirm biased and sort of taking everything Esooa says as scummy (Kinda like how they do to Farren as well) which is something i usually associate with Ich's play in general. With Dann it's a lot more subtle. I think it's similar in that it's ungenerous though yea

So in ich's case, it's more or less nai on its own (now we know he's town). Dann plays more carefully, so being ungenerous is somewhat ooc as town. So the question is whether people are satisfied with dann's "nsg makes me paranoid in games in general" statements.
which would then lead us to look to see if dann has done something similar. And you brought up flow trap.
So the question to

that

is whether people are satisfied with "it was early game". Which, maybe if this were about a different player, it would be satisfactory. But the fact that it's dann seems, once again, out of character.
Is that the sum of it?

Yeah so with Ich it seems like they started with a conclusion "Farren must be scum" and just continously took anything Farren said (or Esooa) as proof.

With Dann it's more careful, it's taking something that could be scummy and giving it a lot of additional weight to make it appear like a whole case. It's something i do as scum to make ppl seem worse than they are -- just start with something and add a ton of reasons. I could point out the sentences exactly but i definitely had some of them quoted in my earlier posts abt this

Also with Ich it's a "This person is scum, see see see see" whereas with Dann it's like "I see all of these suspicious things about you, it's keeping me from townreading you (for NSG)" but NSG isn't like a tunnel of Dann's it's just a conflicted opinion that ppl could jump on NSG for or not and it doesnt require much of a commitment on Dann's part

I'm not terribly familiar with Dann's play to know if he does read very very deeply into one post and come up with additional reasons to make it look bad (Dann wrote relatively big posts on just flow's tiny bad post and NSG's question for Esooa) which is typically something i associate with scum justifying a SR