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[ssbm_Kyouko]

Damn I felt scummy typing that and I'm town. As an exercise in experiencing what it feels like to be dwlee (scum) rn I'd advise you all to try the same

[ssbm_Kyouko]

And then vote dwlee

[MathBlade]

I don't care about meta. Dwlee has done nothing this game. When pressured he continues to do nothing. It's egg time

Dwlee has done things?

And what is “egg” time? That has a different meaning than what I think is implied but I am a trans guy so maybe I am reading this wrong?

[Dwlee99]

Egg time because I'm Greg the egg from a different game. Ik what you mean though and I don't think Kyo meant it like that

[ssbm_Kyouko]

It's a joke about the time I mistakenly thought shrek was crumbing mason with dwlee in a scumgame of mine. Dwlee said why "me = fry me" and voted shrek (i thought "like an egg, and literally fry me meaning fry me, I am an egg")

Then shrek showed up and said "I leave all my possessions to greg the egg", and my dumb ass thought Dwle

e99

was the egg, where the 9s were g's

Then dwlee unvoted. And shrek had been absent and beetlejuiced into the thread when dwlee was like "petition to turboelim shrek". It definitely looked like a mason crumb.

[MathBlade]

Oh *blush* Thanks for the context.

I don’t think we should elim Dwlee.

Pedit lololol

That’s hilarious.

[Dwlee99]

Not scummy though -> (ツ) <-

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Basically N_M is a miltank and if you were to cook a miltank you'd get steak, and Dwlee is an egg so if you cook an egg you get an egg

[MathBlade]

Same question Kyo: Will you bet the game on Dwlee scum? Yes no or maybe?

[MathBlade]

Don’t give me a long winded explanation just the answer

[ssbm_Kyouko]

And then T3 neighborized Dwlee that night after the crumb, and we had a Traffic Analyst, so I had tris, our TA, check Dwlee the same night, and it came back that he could communicate so that reinforced to me that dwlee was a mason.

That game was a fiasco lmao

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Hmm, short answer is no, I wouldn't

[ManateeDude]

VOTE: dwlee

i think

[MathBlade]

Hmm, short answer is no, I wouldn't

Then why would you expect me, who would bet the game on Not Mafia being scum to join you? This is not about asking you to case Dwlee.

Assume I am town, who is scum with them?

[MathBlade]

Unofficial VC because on phone

Votecount:

• Not_Mafia (2): MathBlade, geraintm, Dwlee99
  Dwlee99 (4): ssbm_Kyouko, Not_Mafia,Salsa, Manatee
  Not voting:Marci

Day 3 will end in (expired on 2021-08-06 08:56:01).
With 8 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate.

Spoiler: Votes Since Last Votecount

Personally I think Marci fits the VCA a lot better.

It explains why the wagon stalled. Marci had a lag vote on DGB she planned to move then boom Kyo wagons DGB out of no where and she can’t move it.

Then the rest of us hurry on with the flash wagon and her partner can’t move.

It’s possible that Marci is town and Kyo is a deep wolf but I think it’s more likely Marci here.

VOTE: Marci

Kyo/you/omo but omo is dead now.

VOTE: Unvote

Damn couple things missing here for sure.

Btw, I think it's

Dwlee

&

Marci

...

VOTE: Dwlee

I'm no longer doubting Math, now when considering Marci's DGB vote. I also think scum!Marci is TMIing her partners in RVS if it's {DGB, Marci, Salsabil}.

Titus was also suspicious of Dwlee/omo as a unit I feel like, though she did associate omo and Math, with omo being more likely. I think it's clear her Babysit was meant to be insurance to kill a scumread in the event of her death. I think scum!Math and scum!Dwlee might have been more careful in case Titus targeted one of them. I don't think the scumteam felt they were at risk of being targeted.

That really leaves 2 of Marci, Salsabil, N_M

Wait, I forget about

Not_Mafia

....

Dwlee

's green flip will show the scumteam of

Marci

&

Not_Mafia

.
I'm more sure about

Marci

now than

Dwlee

(want to consider

Omo

's read here), so I'm switching my vote...

UNVOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: Marci

Salsa > Marci > Kyo (except Kyo gives me the deepwolg heebie jeebies)

Ok,

Dwlee

is scum! Partner is either

Marci

or

Not_Mafia

.

UNVOTE: Marci

VOTE: Dwlee

Final vote of today!

I'll edit the votes since last votecount when I'm not on mobile.

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Spoiler:

VOTE: NM

VOTE: Unvote

I don’t like Dwlee’s naked hop on after having had plenty of time to do a VC or react to cases.

I just can’t tell if this is lazy Dwlee or scum Dwlee. I probably will be busy most of today but will read as I can.

If there is a vigilante or any town killing role I put the odds that "babysitter" is scum north of 80%, regardless of Titus' scummy day play.

VOTE: dwlee

Dwlee/N_M last 2 scum

Ok

Dwlee

, I

think

I can believe you for a short time

UNVOTE: Dwlee

VOTE: Marci

By reading all these, now I think it'll be easier for town to sort scums on melo/elo by eliminating me today.

Marci

is saying right, they are also an easy target, so we both are towns ig.

ssbm

still town to me, that left:

Dwlee

Not_Mafia

Math

You can go for in this order tomorrow.

UNVOTE: Marci

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

VOTE: Salsabil Faria

Sorry Salsa but I always vote self-voters, including myself

I know there’s a lot of words and stuff I am supposed to read since work just ended I am just not feeling it.

I think we should do NM today since he’s not playing. If y’all feel more confident in a read do it. I just don’t.

VOTE: Not Mafia

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VOTE: Salsabil Faria

Sorry Salsa but I always vote self-voters, including myself

Thanks for the scum claim, who are you trying to save?
Btw, don't remember if I say this already but I don’t buy your

I can read

geraintm

read, it’s sounded TMI. And at that point, if you could really read them correctly (while they were not active that much iirr), then you

should

read me properly too, because you were the mod in one of my scum games and you played with town!me in several game as both alignment. Yes, I change my play style recently but why scum!me will play like this, what benefit I'm having rn?

TL;DR you're scum!

UNVOTE: Salsabil Faria

VOTE: Not_Mafia

VOTE: geraintm

I always vote self voters

VOTE: geraintm

VOTE: geraintm

VOTE: not mafia

Voting an innocent child....scummy behaviour

VOTE: dwlww

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[ssbm_Kyouko]

Salsabil would be with Dwlee, or if there is an unclaimed vig, then n_m would be

[MathBlade]

Salsabil would be with Dwlee, or if there is an unclaimed vig, then n_m would be

See you keep saying that there is an unclaimed vig.
I find that just patently untrue.
If a vig existed Not Mafia would be dead already.

Let’s assume for a moment that an unclaimed vig did exist. That would be a third town only role with Friendly Neighbor and IC both being in the game. This means 3 confirmed town roles. Vig confirms with two deaths in a night, FN and Ic confirm by action. Even if Titus didn’t claim D1 that’s three instant lock confirm roles. That almost certainly doesn’t pass review as conf town would be forced to be in elo in almost every way the game progresses.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I asked you if you'd stake the game on it because it feels like the way that you (and dwlee?) are saying that I want to eliminate anyone

but

N_M feels like one of you knows he will flip scum, and I thought if that someone was you that I might bait you into saying you would.

Pedit: I just played a large normal with dwlee with a similar ratio of conftown

[ssbm_Kyouko]

But to be fair, the vig in that game was a combined babysitter vigilante and the scumteam had a babysitter enabler. So they can only confirm the vig if town eliminates the enabler first. But town did have a 2-shot voyeur that may have been able to confirm the combined BS Vig if they or the bsvig didnt get JKed.

My point is, a vigilante in this setup is definitely possible, especially if scum have something like an ungated rolestopper or roleblocker which could stop the friendly neighbor from confirming themselves

[ssbm_Kyouko]

Without knowing scum's power we have no way of knowing what is balanced

[Dwlee99]

Yes NM is my partner and that is why I've spent the whole day saying we need to kill him instead of thinking about Salsa/Marci or pushing those where I could have taken the stance they could be teamed easily.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: dwlee

i think

I don't even care how scummy I may seem, if I enter the dead thread and NM is mafia I'm pouring cactus on any town who voted for me.

[ssbm_Kyouko]

I find it very unlikely we're up against 3 goons. That seems boring, and I feel like T3, or any mod really, wouldn't create a setup that boring. Maybe some townie is macho to weaken the town babysitter?

Doesnt really do any good to speculate, I expect something will come out toMorrow.

[MathBlade]

I asked you if you'd stake the game on it because it feels like the way that you (and dwlee?) are saying that I want to eliminate anyone

but

N_M feels like one of you knows he will flip scum, and I thought if that someone was you that I might bait you into saying you would.

Pedit: I just played a large normal with dwlee with a similar ratio of conftown

It certainly feels like you have had a pattern of anyone but Not Mafia today. You’ve ignored G’s case on Not Mafia, flooded the thread with long wall posts with multiple other suspects. As I have stated Not Mafia is a literal troll player to me. I worry about him if he’s ever pro town.

I think furthermore if you genuinely believed that you’d be taking the free scum then hunting in me+Dwlee the next day.

The fact you’re not and saying no means something here.

Pedit: It’s possible scum have a PR of some kind which is why I delayed an answer hoping they would but I doubt it. The roleblocker/stopper would have to be on Manatee every night. While it is possible if you give scum more power, if someone claims vig without using it I would probably vote the vig for not shooting Not Mafia here.

It can’t be you because you would just vig if you didn’t get your way, you’re fighting too hard.

It can’t be me because I am not a vig.

So the only options at that point are Dwlee Salsa Not Mafia and Marci for a vig.
Unlikely Not Mafia because of play and just he doesn’t seem to care
So you’re down to two people you potentially see as a team together and Marci.

Odds are no vig exists.

[Dwlee99]

If vig exists kill NM please now that we are on evens.