Newbie 2074 | Game Over

[Dannflor]

no I'll wait until tomorrow

if I die I die

[cowsloveSushirolls]

stop with this illusion that this setup is anything except C1. leaven's 100% dying tonight

the james nightkill makes absolutely zero sense if it's not C1. you can't PR read that guy

[Ythan]

Okay jswc though I'm not seeing it.

@Dann

[Ythan]

stop with this illusion that this setup is anything except C1. leaven's 100% dying tonight

the james nightkill makes absolutely zero sense if it's not C1. you can't PR read that guy

You got to that quickly for just showing up to this cop claim.

[cowsloveSushirolls]

small thing to chew on:

strange was in my first newbie game, rolled scum. nightkilled james because they thought that the way they acted was PR attempting to hide, flipped VT. does strange do it again in this game knowing that james is probably just a lolvillager again?

[Ythan]

WTF WTF
im here lemme get to pc
???

Got here fifteen minutes ago.

[Dannflor]

stop with this illusion that this setup is anything except C1. leaven's 100% dying tonight

the james nightkill makes absolutely zero sense if it's not C1. you can't PR read that guy

You got to that quickly for just showing up to this cop claim.

weird post to make

why would you not get to this quickly

[Val89]

Nobody is seeing it, because there is nothing, and Dann also knows he will 100 percent be alive tomorrow.

Anyway, everyone has a night phase to look at the interactions between Dann and Gamma and decide if I am talking out my arse or not.

[Ythan]

stop with this illusion that this setup is anything except C1. leaven's 100% dying tonight

the james nightkill makes absolutely zero sense if it's not C1. you can't PR read that guy

You got to that quickly for just showing up to this cop claim.

weird post to make

why would you not get to this quickly

Seems like a scummy way to spend fifteen minutes of scramble time.

[cowsloveSushirolls]

small thing to chew on:

strange was in my first newbie game, rolled scum. nightkilled james because they thought that the way they acted was PR attempting to hide, flipped VT. does strange do it again in this game knowing that james is probably just a lolvillager again?

wait im stupid james wasnt ngihtkilled that game LOL they were condemned d1

ignore this

but scum PT had strange acting like this. that's where i got mixed up

[Val89]

the james nightkill makes absolutely zero sense if it's not C1. you can't PR read that guy

Maybe I'm being a big dummy, but I don't see how that follows at all.

[cowsloveSushirolls]

Seems like a scummy way to spend fifteen minutes of scramble time.

i mean i could talk about pairs and shit but that 15 minutes of scramble time was spent with the impression that thread could close any minute so i went with the information that is almost guaranteed and repeated it again
?

[Ythan]

Seems like a scummy way to spend fifteen minutes of scramble time.

i mean i could talk about pairs and shit but that 15 minutes of scramble time was spent with the impression that thread could close any minute so i went with the information that is almost guaranteed and repeated it again
?

How much of that was spent thinking about James's chances of being a PR?

[cowsloveSushirolls]

the james nightkill makes absolutely zero sense if it's not C1. you can't PR read that guy

Maybe I'm being a big dummy, but I don't see how that follows at all.

i think as mafia you always take shots at PRs because they're extremely powerful for no reason lol
unless you mean the latter part. i'm just projecting because of my last game

[Dannflor]

... why would you not just already know that based off of playing day one ythan

[Dannflor]

what i mean is, I don't think sushi just suddenly took this time to form that opinion, it was an opinion they already held

[cowsloveSushirolls]

How much of that was spent thinking about James's chances of being a PR?

like, 20 seconds? it was a post i made earlier that i remembered

gun-to-head i just vote gamma here

ythan had reasons to vote salsabil that were

actually

things she did in the game (salsa was continuously misrepresenting ythan while fillerposting) which by default is pretty damn town.
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As far as I'm concerned, if your sole argument is "Look. Meta." as to why you're town, you aren't town.

i'm really feeling that this quote also applies the opposite way

the case for salsa provided by gamma was a lot more vague than i wanted, then he drops a whole bunch of good reasons to vote salsa post-elim despite wanting to focus on improving his slot's credibility
(which i think having a logical, consistent and transparent thought process IIT would help with a lot)

now that salsa has flipped blue i think these two logs look really bad

So if Salsa, Leaven, and James all flip town this game. What are the takeaways.

- With Salsa, scum can freely do anti-town things and even be town-bucketed for it. Furthermore, if people vote that scummy behavior, they will actually be scum-bucketed for it.
- With myself, scum will know they can't easily get away with anti-town things.

What advantage does town get (now or in the future) from laying a red carpet down for scum to freely behave against the interest of town? I'm happy to create an environment that discourages anti-town behavior.

If James was randomly 25% Scum, 25% PR, 50% VT, now I have him at 30% Scum, 5% PR, 65% VT. Still overwhelmingly likely to be VT, but as I've said previously, outside of a better option (which we likely will have in 5 days), my vote lands there.

Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnngggggggg

If you have time, check my meta, will see how townie I am all the time

This is scummy.

Why?
I kinda think it is too, but I don’t think it’s gonna be the same logic as yours.

As far as I'm concerned, if your sole argument is "Look. Meta." as to why you're town, you aren't town.

Impressive. It’s not what my logic is, but it definitely blows mine out of the water.
I was thinking the sheer amount of time Salsa was calling stuff “boring” was scummy
Which has a merit to it I think, but the last time I saw someone do the “I’m town because this is my town game” thing they were scum, and someone actually whipped out this exact same point against them

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there's a surprising lack of "i would've stopped the wagon if i were here" which is kinda ???
i absolutely did not think the case on salsa was developed well enough to warrant axing, but of course i will admit that a hole was being dug by her so i will not explicitly blame anyone for being a part of that wagon

since the james kill is a thing i'm assuming that it was a kill to minimize info since after a while of discussion around theory and mechanics they were just Townbinned

the scary part is that they thought it would be better than hunting PRs. double goon setup?

locktown:

james
salsa

town:

leaven
ythan

null:

dannflor (null-town)
strangematter (null-scum)

scum:

val, gamma

(but i'm not saying this is the pair)

i haven't done a mass ISO/reread yet but i bet there's gonna be a ton of interest if i'm totally off the mark according to you guys here

[Ythan]

... why would you not just already know that based off of playing day one ythan

We didn't know anything about the setup until the claim. I think he put the pieces together quickly.

[Val89]

I'll be honest, I think CSLR just said something rather silly, in that we have to be in C1, and Dannflor just jumped on it in an "huh, that's obvious" kinda way to perpetuate that mis-idea.

I think if you think about it a bit more, you will see why the James NK tells us nothing about the number of PRs.

[Ythan]

like, 20 seconds? it was a post i made earlier that i remembered

Oh okay cool.

[Dannflor]

okay everyone really needs to stop talking now

[Dannflor]

every post you make about the setup gives scum more information in the case that it's not c1

[cowsloveSushirolls]

I'll be honest, I think CSLR just said something rather silly, in that we have to be in C1, and Dannflor just jumped on it in an "huh, that's obvious" kinda way to perpetuate that mis-idea.

I think if you think about it a bit more, you will see why the James NK tells us nothing about the number of PRs.

i mean i'm just proven wrong at d3 and the game goes on, haha

"james was NKed not because of the possibility that they were a PR that claimed VT d1, but because they were universally townread by the end of d1."

i think it makes the most sense in the C column

pedit: last post i'm making

[Val89]

"james was NKed not because of the possibility that they were a PR that claimed VT d1, but because they were universally townread by the end of d1."

In the world we are in colloum C, scum would also have to take into account there might be a JK, and on n1, the 'universal townread' might not be the best target.

I'm continuing to talk because I think if Dann is Gammas partner, he does have to decide whether to keep me alive so he can push me tomorrow, or NK me, and if he does decide to NK me so I dont go making the full scum case, I want to make sure I've said this.


Dannflor should also be one to know that, if there is a doctor to save Leaven, that puts us in A1, and the chance of Leaven actually having a result tomorrow is approximately zero, so that post about "if there is a doc, these are good targets for Leaven" feels performative.

[Val89]

every post you make about the setup gives scum more information in the case that it's not c1

Scum already know the setup, 100 percent, C1 or not.

You must know that. Why this post?