I'm looking at D2 as well because it occurs to me that before geraintm flipped IC on d3 that scum could have been banking on him as a mislim. Once he was revealed IC the poe got small quick - Dwlee, Salsa, Marci, and N_M.
I think we're looking at salsa here tbh. She, like N_M, was off of the DGB wagon, voting herself. She was pushing geraintm D1 and D2 and she seems lost for what to do on D3.
In post 1107, ManateeDude wrote:i actually think dwlee being off wagon in the way he was is a better look for him then the way omo hopped on
Wait, what??? Why not scum!
Dwlee
wouldn’t do that???
This could be genuine frustration coming through for Salsa. She may have planned to come into D2 having me push hard for a Dwlee elimination, and might have been shocked to find that some people were TRing Dwlee for what he did, when she had possibly planned to use it as a reason to mislim him. Is it a coincidence that when Dwlee did not go through, she swapped onto omo, the other half of the pair of players that I claimed on D1 were hesitant to hammer.
In post 1138, oʍo wrote:Math buried DGB they were town anyways, math is anti d1 bussing iirc
Slight correction:
As scum (which I am not) don’t bus unless I get something out of it. Very rarely do you get something from bussing a buddy D1.
This makes me think possible Marci+DGB+early voter on DGB to save Marci possibly.
I asked for no fast night to try to make sense of the vote patterns and couldn’t which is indicative of a deep wolf.
im confused, what r u thinking here..? do u think i could be scum pr..? why would "to save Marci"?
Correct.
I do not believe ManateeDude is scum. Therefore wagons are start are TvT or SvT between you and ManateeDude.
Ergo scum wagon was swapped from Scum Goon to scum goon which is weird and I don’t see scum doing it
Or scum PR to scum goon scum motivated
Or Town to scum motivated town motivated
Me and Titus are town which makes it more likely the swap was scum motivated unless we had an all town wagon on DGB.
ah i c i c,
whats making u think it wasn't an all town wagon? just that u think theres deepwolf, or is there something else?
I work from what options exist and what is probable.
An all town wagon is just not the most probable.
My lunch break is over but it’s a vibes thing.
A all town wagon doesn’t just suddenly emerge on two stalled wagons. It feels artificial.
I'm curious if you think it's possible that an all town wagon could have appeared based on seeing N_M and Salsa were self-voting? If both scum are self-voting and not taking action because they've seen town are eating each other, it could be difficult for them to get in motion quickly enough for them to stop a flashwagon on their partner.
between the top 2 votecounts, bottom VC clears Marci IMO
I know my reads aren't 100% shit so with 3/4 of my d1 scumreads being wrong on top of the 4th one actually being uninteractive with DGB slot, I'd venture to say I'm right on Max and I should have pushed it harder when I got pinged at the start.
These VCs are actually what push me over the edge. Salsa is on all 3 of the peak wagons on town there, but when it comes time to vote DGB she is self-voting and complaining that this town doesnt want to cooperate. (Not sure if the complaints came on D1 or D2)
As of now I am leaning most toward Salsa and think that we do Salsa>No Elim, and try for a 3p ELO if we're wrong on Salsa. Theres still a lot to discuss though and I have notes to post on Monday
She/They
"No ssbm is not grudging me. She's one of my favorites on the website, and i wanna say vice versa." - Transcend
The day senpai noticed me^
See I am pretty sure it’s not Dwlee, my gut says to go along with Salsa or Marci, but I am scared of you powerwolfing Kyo from a logical standpoint.
Can you give me your best deep wolf game to read Sunday?
The deep wolf question was to Kyo. My bad that’s unclear.
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
In post 2049, Dwlee99 wrote:Marci vote parking on DGB is indicative of something and I can't figure out what.
I think based on D1 Kyo/Marci is much more likely.
Like too much points this to be Kyo and I will have time Sunday to read but I also don’t like how in her latest post she’s all like “yeah elim Salsa then if that fails no elim” when no elim changes like nothing. I die and it’s the same PoE if Salsa is town.
So like ??? If anything if Salsa is town we just run the 4P melo.
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
In post 2049, Dwlee99 wrote:Marci vote parking on DGB is indicative of something and I can't figure out what.
I think based on D1 Kyo/Marci is much more likely.
Like too much points this to be Kyo and I will have time Sunday to read but I also don’t like how in her latest post she’s all like “yeah elim Salsa then if that fails no elim” when no elim changes like nothing. I die and it’s the same PoE if Salsa is town.
So like ??? If anything if Salsa is town we just run the 4P melo.
Theres a chance you or I die at 4 if we no lim and it could help the last town if they're paranoid of one of us. Will look for a deep wolf game of mine. Already posted all my old games, it's been a few years though so I'll have to look at them myself first. I've had 2 scum games since coming back and they were both bad performances.
She/They
"No ssbm is not grudging me. She's one of my favorites on the website, and i wanna say vice versa." - Transcend
The day senpai noticed me^
In post 2049, Dwlee99 wrote:Marci vote parking on DGB is indicative of something and I can't figure out what.
I think based on D1 Kyo/Marci is much more likely.
Like too much points this to be Kyo and I will have time Sunday to read but I also don’t like how in her latest post she’s all like “yeah elim Salsa then if that fails no elim” when no elim changes like nothing. I die and it’s the same PoE if Salsa is town.
So like ??? If anything if Salsa is town we just run the 4P melo.
Theres a chance you or I die at 4 if we no lim and it could help the last town if they're paranoid of one of us. Will look for a deep wolf game of mine. Already posted all my old games, it's been a few years though so I'll have to look at them myself first. I've had 2 scum games since coming back and they were both bad performances.
No there isn’t.
Assume a you + me + scum + one Townie combo.
It literally does not serve scum’s interest to kill there if your theory is true because you said it aloud.
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
I will add it to my read on Sunday list. It’s kinda massive.
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
In post 2049, Dwlee99 wrote:Marci vote parking on DGB is indicative of something and I can't figure out what.
I think based on D1 Kyo/Marci is much more likely.
Like too much points this to be Kyo and I will have time Sunday to read but I also don’t like how in her latest post she’s all like “yeah elim Salsa then if that fails no elim” when no elim changes like nothing. I die and it’s the same PoE if Salsa is town.
So like ??? If anything if Salsa is town we just run the 4P melo.
Theres a chance you or I die at 4 if we no lim and it could help the last town if they're paranoid of one of us. Will look for a deep wolf game of mine. Already posted all my old games, it's been a few years though so I'll have to look at them myself first. I've had 2 scum games since coming back and they were both bad performances.
No there isn’t.
Assume a you + me + scum + one Townie combo.
It literally does not serve scum’s interest to kill there if your theory is true because you said it aloud.
I'm inclined to agree but I just saw scum kill in 4p MELO on no lim recently. Idk why they did, but they did. Could happen again, and doesnt hurt to try I think.
Going to bed
She/They
"No ssbm is not grudging me. She's one of my favorites on the website, and i wanna say vice versa." - Transcend
The day senpai noticed me^
In post 244, Roden wrote:I'm down for town reading Kyouko, if only because her reasoning for scum reading me is so bad I don't think scum would try it.
do u usually play like this..?
Like what? Her accusation is completely unreasonable. Let alone hypocritical since she hasn't commented on everything either.
Let me take you through the reasoning again since you seem to not follow, based on you a) saying my read is unreasonable and b) calling my read hypocritical.
1. Roden's ISO up to 172 seems content to participate in RVS.
2. Roden, in 172, complains that RVS is going on too long. Conclusion: Roden wants to move the game out of RVS. Up to this point, the thought process tracks. You
were
fine to participate in RVS, but now you are tiring of it.
3. In 173, immediately afterward, you ask omo how serious their hero solve is. In good faith, this can be seen as an attempt to get the conversation moving
away
from RVS. To this point, your purported stance on RVS and your actions still track with one another.
4. Things of interest that could be commented on occur while you are offline
Spoiler: The things that happened, raw quotes, no context
VOTE: omo for being the only other one not to confirm.
VOTE: MaxTheFox
This is a nervous scumclaim right here
In what way is it a scumclaim? I think I'm keeping the vote then...
In what way isn't it?
The burden of proof is on you, you accused me first.
In post 187, MaxTheFox wrote:omo is either scum or just trying to cause chaos. None of their posts make much sense as town, they're either baseless accusations or dodging questions.
In post 187, MaxTheFox wrote:omo is either scum or just trying to cause chaos. None of their posts make much sense as town, they're either baseless accusations or dodging questions.
In post 187, MaxTheFox wrote:omo is either scum or just trying to cause chaos. None of their posts make much sense as town, they're either baseless accusations or dodging questions.
Yes I am causing chaos. Why is that scummy?
It's scummy because it gets in the way of town's discussion. Especially since RVS is pretty much over.
And answer my question, with how you're dodging people's questions I'm happy to lock my vote onto you.
In post 195, oʍo wrote:Weird bc I've been doing more discussion than you have. Sounds like youre your own obstacle to getting into discussion and you're projecting that onto me
Also what you claim isnt proof that is my intent nor does your analysis look at intent. Happy to dunk you if you keep this up.
I want to change my vote, who should I vote and why?
vote whoever.
im voting looker because i felt like the whole "waiting on max" thing was just them making excuses to not post. and my vote kept, because i don't really like his posting following manatees questioning them.
In post 187, MaxTheFox wrote:omo is either scum or just trying to cause chaos. None of their posts make much sense as town, they're either baseless accusations or dodging questions.
don't think what they've been doing is really scummy rn, the game was not really serious and they seem to have been trying to drive it into serious zone.
In post 200, Saudade wrote:Max has reacted alright to the few votes thrown at him actually
In post 167, Salsabil Faria wrote:[color=8040FF]I want to change my vote, who should I vote and why?[/color]
hate this post.
+1 on my scum index
In post 206, Looker wrote:Also, VOTE: owo - she's pocketing Not_Mafia, and her and marcistar are being cliquey. Fight the power. End the oppressive regime.
In post 212, ManateeDude wrote:looker looking like a good policy lim on top of the fact i dont really dont TR them at all
In post 214, Not_Mafia wrote:Don't like how quickly Saudade has let go of his hate boner
In post 205, Looker wrote:Why are Women voting Titus? Is she a misogynist?
tbh, i remember reading the vote count.. and i was just confused who women was because i dont remember there being someone named that.. am i remembering wrong?
In post 206, Looker wrote:Also, VOTE: owo - she's pocketing Not_Mafia, and her and marcistar are being cliquey. Fight the power. End the oppressive regime.
In post 209, Looker wrote:I confused owo with Manatee - it's all pink and blue
"cliquey" are u saying thats scummy..? whats making you want to use that to go after her instead of me..?
and, if ur confusing owo with manatee, why did u not switch onto manatee once u realized this mistake?
5. In 218, when you return, your immediate post is "Didn't get an answer to this." Your question was directed at omo, and if you had read to know he didnt answer you, you would have also seen he was husy engaging with one of the scumreads in his hero solve. A more appropriate follow up for town that was tring to sort omo would be to comment on his interaction with Max, or follow up with a question asking him to explain his read on Marci or Manatee, as it seems clear that he is serious about Max, and by extension, should be serious about the others.
In my opinion, you should have been commenting on the action from 4. 218 is the kind of post that scum makes to give the appearance they are genuinely scumhunting: "look everyone, when he didn't answer my question, I didnt forget about it. Call me town because I'm following through with this" - I used to do this as scum all the time. I would re-iso myself constantly and make sure everyone had answered my questions and if they had not, I would get loud about it. Because a lot of people will form scumreads because "this person is asking questions but isn't drawing meaningful conclusions", or "... but doesn't seem to care when they go unanswered"
There is the reasoning.
a) My read on you is not unreasonable.
b) The basis of my read is that you did not comment on things that could take the game out of RVS when you purport to be tiring of it. There is nothing hypocritical about my read, because I did not say I was tiring of RVS (though I was, and was having difficulty forming reads), and am bringing something that gets the ball rolling instead of doing very little about it and trying to make it look like I am doing more than I am.
To say my read is hypocritical is to show that you are not trying to understand my thought process. If you had tried to understand it, you would have known what my issue with you was, and you would not accuse me of being hypocritical. It shows you are thinking at a shallow level by reducing my read on you to "Roden didnt comment on everything so he is scum" and trying to flip that reduction around on me and call me hypocritical for not commenting on everything.
Ok, I'm convinced to vote
Roden
but my current SR
OMO
also voted them and I don’t think scum need to buss this early. I'll decide after finishing the catch-up ig.
This kind of shallow thinking: I'm not going to vote for my scumread because my other scumread is voting them, is scum-indicative. Town doesnt have a perfect picture and should expect that they could be wrong on one or the other, and shouldn't be worried about this on D1 with no flips. I think more likely she is waiting to see which way the tide is turning before voting
In post 219, Looker wrote:Women = Roden, and I'm not switching because I like owo more. The cliqueyness was half-assed. It can be re-attacked later.
We get it, you're either scum claiming or you're a PR trying to hide yourself with scumminess so you don't get NK'd. Whatever, moving on.
This mentioning PR part seems TMI.
I don't understand how this seems TMI. How'd you come to this conclusion? The rest of your posting tracks, but this doesn't for me.
They could say town but used the word pr which pinged me.
As mentioned in 487, I was pinged by Salsa calling this TMI. Knowing the flips now though, Roden was saying Looker (DGB) was either scum claiming or a tpr trying to dodge the NK by scumming it up. To say that mentioning PR here is TMI doesnt make sense from a town perspective. It is common knowledge that a strategy as a TPR can be to make yourself a viable candidate for a mislim on a later day so that you dont get NKed (see geraintm's lurking playstyle in this game). Roden isn't saying "you're a PR", which would TMI he knows Looker is town (he wasn't town), Roden is saying it's one or the other. Again this is common knowledge, so accusing Roden of TMI here felt wrong to me as it seemed a reasonable statement for an uninformed townie to make.
I think what was really going on was 2 things: 1, by saying it's TMI, it paints Roden as scum (chainsawing), and 2, the implication is that Roden is TMIing scum!Looker as town, which is a defense of Salsabil's scum buddy Looker.
Also, if the word PR pinged her, she's probably on the lookout for it. Maybe Salsa thought he was actually TMIing that he was a PR and that's why Roden died. Just to PR hunt.
In post 751, MathBlade wrote:How do you feel about a policy geraintm or Not Mafia?
Why is Not Mafia so high despite like no posts?
I've no problem ig.
For the reason
Not_Mafia
is getting townnread here, I'm not actually sure about it cause I saw scum!him did that.
So she's fine with a policy on N_M on D1, and she's seen him do this as scum, but on D3 she doesnt vote him until the pressure comes onto her. Until then, she is content to vote alongside him on a counterwagon to his, with me, who she is now scumreading... for being wrong on the person she was counterwagoning? I'm actually not recalling why she is SRing me because it looked weak to me and I was expecting it from end of her D3 play.
In post 781, Dwlee99 wrote:Titus is actually more likely scum than manatee I think so if people are down for a flash wagon
Hmmmm.....
Fine, will sheep you this time, if anyone from
Titus
and
Manatee
will flip green, you're red... deal?
UNVOTE: OMO
VOTE: Titus
Now this is a ridiculous proposal in and of itself, but suddenly she is willing to sheep dwlee when she's been interested in eliminating him pretty much all game to.this point.
, either I was completely ignored or they were strongly townread by others which made me back off a little and I decided to sheep others. But now I am not town to all of you because I went against
Titus
or to your precious M3 group, which you guys want to eliminate???
You guys deserve each other, not gonna post anymore, screw yourselves!!
UNVOTE: Marci
VOTE: Salsabil Faria
Read-list
Town:
ssbm
,
Math
,
Titus
,
Roden
Scum:
Dwlee
,
OMO
,
goofball
Rests are null now, will be changed after the D1 and N1 flips most probably.
Hmm, what's wrong with this readslist?
1. Dwlee in her scumreads, even though she was just seemingly flipped on him and was sheeping him
2. N_M in "the rest are null", when she has stated already that she has seen that N_M has played this exact way as scum before.
She/They
"No ssbm is not grudging me. She's one of my favorites on the website, and i wanna say vice versa." - Transcend
The day senpai noticed me^
Fixing VC. Anyone have questions before I start the shit ton amount of reading there is?
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
Like I still scumread Kyo but the optics of that are weird.
Will try to read more later
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
Next time pm me before you'll post here or vote anyone after seeing my vote, I'll not complain.
That’s against site rules.
You can’t be PMing other players during the game about the game.
And I don’t have to vote somewhere else when I am not sure. This is needle in a haystack and I have two guesses.
ScumBlade's eloquent performance left me utterly disoriented, debased, depraved and sent me spiraling into a horrific murky abyss with emotional turmoil and immense despair as my only companions until slowly I suffocate in my own gloom, surrounded by failure. I will never recover. -- Zachstralkita about Mini 1841 GTKAS -- MathBlade
