Mini 2230: Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night: Game Over

[Spiffeh]

Cabd/PA for our appointment tonight please come prepared with detailed explanations for each of your three scum reads.

[Here There Be Dragons]

you can still talk to me without arriving at a definitive conclusion about my alignment

i feel like i've done nothing but be concerned about you in this thread and i might as well be invisible for all that you seem to have noticed

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

The problem here is you seem to be making zero effort to do (1).

i already solved your slot, you're town

[Spiffeh]

Omg I got one unintentionally ha fuck you Pooky you're no magical bear

[Here There Be Dragons]

does 1608 not work for you formatting wise?

[X]

ok, i'll try again

[Snarky Fishes]

Rhea where should I be voting?

Vote: Manatee
Vote: Medea
Vote: Dragons
Vote: AA9

have you especially agreed or disagreed with anything that's been said about medea? feel like that is a direction that could really benefit from your input since i am not getting anywhere on my own

this may be ancient history at this point, but 186, 214
maybe this is mostly redundant after the above two, but 751
also interested in your take on both 993 and what they've done since -- fmpov, what came of "this changes everything" (source 998) was a few mechanics related effortposts and... that's it. i'm sure they'll have a lovely rainbow read wall coming or whatever, but that's bound to be full of crossed Ts and dotted Is anyway.

another thing i'd love would be for fferybell to show us what they see to allow you to comment on it, but they are steadfastly refusing to even acknowledge that i've asked them a question.

If I've ignored a question, it's because I didn't see it.

Ask again?

We've been working on our technicolor reads list and I think it's about ready to post. stay tuned, I guess.

But we've posted a lot that Rhea could have engaged, and she hasn't chosen to so far

.

[?] [X]

We've posted reads. We've talked about how we're reading you and why. I feel like if you had concerns with any of that, or felt that there was anything remarkable in our takes, you'd flag it so we could respond.

Do you think we're way-way-way off in our reads?

Is our basis for trying to read you really off?

[Annie Edison]

Do you want to know which takes they want you to interact with?

[Medea the Alien]

you can still talk to me without arriving at a definitive conclusion about my alignment

i feel like i've done nothing but be concerned about you in this thread and i might as well be invisible for all that you seem to have noticed

Okay, like, our "here's what we were doing because of reasons" isn't compelling for you. Sure. So, pretend i'm dumb (well, I actually am, but like, pretend i'm dumber) and requote the questions you had towards me that are hit-and-run-able as opposed to "please give me the long form birth certificate of your reads list"

[Here There Be Dragons]

Reason we were holding back: RNJESUS gave us the worst possible draw given my recent string of games.

So, outright, we know for sure there is at most ONE scum demon. Why? We're a STARTING demon. Our role is extremely useless, as hopefully correctly conveyed to finches, a la Estelle the poison doc in Tales of Vesperia. My role does SOMETHING at night, not gonna say what yet since it'll be in our flip, but we self-roleblock if visited in any way shape or form. You know, the night action magnet guy, me, hi, drew this one. So completely useless. We want zero ambiguity about our role's outcomes so we'll be conditionally posting targets based on alignment of flip before hammers.

Locking us in as an early hardpush to mislim, or early night kill, would give scum a guaranteed lock in extremely early towards that alternate win condition. Based upon the conventional wisdom of "no victories in a mini theme until night 3/ day 4" we assume there are 8 shards in play right now, give or take. We are assuming that scum has a total of 4, in a 2/1/1 split, but that's pure conjecture worst case scenario on our parts. Having two additional demon-degrees of safety completely turns this on its head though. Probably more singleton shards in circulation to let people power up, and since we only need to leave five undemonified players around, there's more room to power up town players if we can.

Depending on how today's elimination goes would dictate scum strategy, but regardless IF there is a desharding role in play, we would request it be used on us tonight. As we said, we don't see a world where we aren't targeted by scum or well-meaning town at this point, which makes us functionally useless as a PR. Not sure if we have a power drawback because we started 'powered up' or what, but that's where we are.

Co-written post, ten points to anyone interested enough to point out where PA took over.

do you think the change of trajectory in their gameplay this post implied was going to happen has happened?

if no, is that scummy?

[Here There Be Dragons]

you can still talk to me without arriving at a definitive conclusion about my alignment

i feel like i've done nothing but be concerned about you in this thread and i might as well be invisible for all that you seem to have noticed

Okay, like, our "here's what we were doing because of reasons" isn't compelling for you. Sure. So, pretend i'm dumb (well, I actually am, but like, pretend i'm dumber) and requote the questions you had towards me that are hit-and-run-able as opposed to "please give me the long form birth certificate of your reads list"

i mean i read it... i'm not really buying that all your posts to that point were a carefully crafted mini slayers gambit and therefore i should ignore anything scummy in them because that was intentional, if i let people get away with that i couldn't play mafia at all. and if you were intentionally not being impressive, you shouldn't be bothered that i was not impressed.

and what you've done since hasn't been the paradigm shift that was promised to me, it's just the same only with talking about mechanics

[Snarky Fishes]

Reason we were holding back: RNJESUS gave us the worst possible draw given my recent string of games.

So, outright, we know for sure there is at most ONE scum demon. Why? We're a STARTING demon. Our role is extremely useless, as hopefully correctly conveyed to finches, a la Estelle the poison doc in Tales of Vesperia. My role does SOMETHING at night, not gonna say what yet since it'll be in our flip, but we self-roleblock if visited in any way shape or form. You know, the night action magnet guy, me, hi, drew this one. So completely useless. We want zero ambiguity about our role's outcomes so we'll be conditionally posting targets based on alignment of flip before hammers.

Locking us in as an early hardpush to mislim, or early night kill, would give scum a guaranteed lock in extremely early towards that alternate win condition. Based upon the conventional wisdom of "no victories in a mini theme until night 3/ day 4" we assume there are 8 shards in play right now, give or take. We are assuming that scum has a total of 4, in a 2/1/1 split, but that's pure conjecture worst case scenario on our parts. Having two additional demon-degrees of safety completely turns this on its head though. Probably more singleton shards in circulation to let people power up, and since we only need to leave five undemonified players around, there's more room to power up town players if we can.

Depending on how today's elimination goes would dictate scum strategy, but regardless IF there is a desharding role in play, we would request it be used on us tonight. As we said, we don't see a world where we aren't targeted by scum or well-meaning town at this point, which makes us functionally useless as a PR. Not sure if we have a power drawback because we started 'powered up' or what, but that's where we are.

Co-written post, ten points to anyone interested enough to point out where PA took over.

do you think the change of trajectory in their gameplay this post implied was going to happen has happened?

if no, is that scummy?

Is this to me?

If it is, I want to let you and Cabd discuss without adding waves/noise for now.

[Here There Be Dragons]

also like... im flattered that you think my scum move here would be to be antagonistic towards you and try to elim you day 1 but that sounds like a bad time to me, you have nice cozy pockets

[Here There Be Dragons]

Reason we were holding back: RNJESUS gave us the worst possible draw given my recent string of games.

So, outright, we know for sure there is at most ONE scum demon. Why? We're a STARTING demon. Our role is extremely useless, as hopefully correctly conveyed to finches, a la Estelle the poison doc in Tales of Vesperia. My role does SOMETHING at night, not gonna say what yet since it'll be in our flip, but we self-roleblock if visited in any way shape or form. You know, the night action magnet guy, me, hi, drew this one. So completely useless. We want zero ambiguity about our role's outcomes so we'll be conditionally posting targets based on alignment of flip before hammers.

Locking us in as an early hardpush to mislim, or early night kill, would give scum a guaranteed lock in extremely early towards that alternate win condition. Based upon the conventional wisdom of "no victories in a mini theme until night 3/ day 4" we assume there are 8 shards in play right now, give or take. We are assuming that scum has a total of 4, in a 2/1/1 split, but that's pure conjecture worst case scenario on our parts. Having two additional demon-degrees of safety completely turns this on its head though. Probably more singleton shards in circulation to let people power up, and since we only need to leave five undemonified players around, there's more room to power up town players if we can.

Depending on how today's elimination goes would dictate scum strategy, but regardless IF there is a desharding role in play, we would request it be used on us tonight. As we said, we don't see a world where we aren't targeted by scum or well-meaning town at this point, which makes us functionally useless as a PR. Not sure if we have a power drawback because we started 'powered up' or what, but that's where we are.

Co-written post, ten points to anyone interested enough to point out where PA took over.

do you think the change of trajectory in their gameplay this post implied was going to happen has happened?

if no, is that scummy?

Is this to me?

If it is, I want to let you and Cabd discuss without adding waves/noise for now.

no, this is me trying to help LLD talk to me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Omg I got one unintentionally ha fuck you Pooky you're no magical bear

is this the part where you put your wizard hat on and pretend to scumread me lolol

[Lukewarm]

you can still talk to me without arriving at a definitive conclusion about my alignment

i feel like i've done nothing but be concerned about you in this thread and i might as well be invisible for all that you seem to have noticed

Okay, like, our "here's what we were doing because of reasons" isn't compelling for you. Sure. So, pretend i'm dumb (well, I actually am, but like, pretend i'm dumber) and requote the questions you had towards me that are hit-and-run-able as opposed to "please give me the long form birth certificate of your reads list"

i mean i read it... i'm not really buying that all your posts to that point were a carefully crafted mini slayers gambit and therefore i should ignore anything scummy in them because that was intentional, if i let people get away with that i couldn't play mafia at all. and if you were intentionally not being impressive, you shouldn't be bothered that i was not impressed.

and what you've done since hasn't been the paradigm shift that was promised to me, it's just the same only with talking about mechanics

also like... im flattered that you think my scum move here would be to be antagonistic towards you and try to elim you day 1 but that sounds like a bad time to me, you have nice cozy pockets

I feel completely in synch with every word written here.

The dragon's town read has grown in my recent catch up.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Reason we were holding back: RNJESUS gave us the worst possible draw given my recent string of games.

So, outright, we know for sure there is at most ONE scum demon. Why? We're a STARTING demon. Our role is extremely useless, as hopefully correctly conveyed to finches, a la Estelle the poison doc in Tales of Vesperia. My role does SOMETHING at night, not gonna say what yet since it'll be in our flip, but we self-roleblock if visited in any way shape or form. You know, the night action magnet guy, me, hi, drew this one. So completely useless. We want zero ambiguity about our role's outcomes so we'll be conditionally posting targets based on alignment of flip before hammers.

Locking us in as an early hardpush to mislim, or early night kill, would give scum a guaranteed lock in extremely early towards that alternate win condition. Based upon the conventional wisdom of "no victories in a mini theme until night 3/ day 4" we assume there are 8 shards in play right now, give or take. We are assuming that scum has a total of 4, in a 2/1/1 split, but that's pure conjecture worst case scenario on our parts. Having two additional demon-degrees of safety completely turns this on its head though. Probably more singleton shards in circulation to let people power up, and since we only need to leave five undemonified players around, there's more room to power up town players if we can.

Depending on how today's elimination goes would dictate scum strategy, but regardless IF there is a desharding role in play, we would request it be used on us tonight. As we said, we don't see a world where we aren't targeted by scum or well-meaning town at this point, which makes us functionally useless as a PR. Not sure if we have a power drawback because we started 'powered up' or what, but that's where we are.

Co-written post, ten points to anyone interested enough to point out where PA took over.

do you think the change of trajectory in their gameplay this post implied was going to happen has happened?

if no,

is that scummy?

[✓]

[✓]

[Here There Be Dragons]

Reason we were holding back: RNJESUS gave us the worst possible draw given my recent string of games.

So, outright, we know for sure there is at most ONE scum demon. Why? We're a STARTING demon. Our role is extremely useless, as hopefully correctly conveyed to finches, a la Estelle the poison doc in Tales of Vesperia. My role does SOMETHING at night, not gonna say what yet since it'll be in our flip, but we self-roleblock if visited in any way shape or form. You know, the night action magnet guy, me, hi, drew this one. So completely useless. We want zero ambiguity about our role's outcomes so we'll be conditionally posting targets based on alignment of flip before hammers.

Locking us in as an early hardpush to mislim, or early night kill, would give scum a guaranteed lock in extremely early towards that alternate win condition. Based upon the conventional wisdom of "no victories in a mini theme until night 3/ day 4" we assume there are 8 shards in play right now, give or take. We are assuming that scum has a total of 4, in a 2/1/1 split, but that's pure conjecture worst case scenario on our parts. Having two additional demon-degrees of safety completely turns this on its head though. Probably more singleton shards in circulation to let people power up, and since we only need to leave five undemonified players around, there's more room to power up town players if we can.

Depending on how today's elimination goes would dictate scum strategy, but regardless IF there is a desharding role in play, we would request it be used on us tonight. As we said, we don't see a world where we aren't targeted by scum or well-meaning town at this point, which makes us functionally useless as a PR. Not sure if we have a power drawback because we started 'powered up' or what, but that's where we are.

Co-written post, ten points to anyone interested enough to point out where PA took over.

do you think the change of trajectory in their gameplay this post implied was going to happen has happened?

if no,

is that scummy?

[✓]

[✓]

oh man you conveyed a spicy take nice.

[Here There Be Dragons]

god i want to ask more about that but how.

[Here There Be Dragons]

like, what is the mechanism i can use to get thoughts without having to just guess them.

[Annie Edison]

You have to do like me in calc 2 and guess and check

[Annie Edison]

@Rhea- is it because you think they were trying to come up with a reason for them to stick around later but then changed to more active control?

Or something about what bell mentioned about scum finding a way to break stuff open?

Or trying to justify their behavior from before? Or do you not think their behavior from before makes sense in line with their claim?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Rhea- is it because you think they were trying to come up with a reason for them to stick around later but then changed to more active control?

Or something about what bell mentioned about scum finding a way to break stuff open?

Or trying to justify their behavior from before? Or do you not think their behavior from before makes sense in line with their claim?

[✓]

[Annie Edison]

Are there some specific posts you think don’t line up?

[Snarky Fishes]

I'm liking ceph's posts on this page.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Give me Master.

It doesn't matter what your ability says or does. It doesn't matter what your upgrades are.

My master upgrade is insanely good by definition, and my role does well as confirmed unkillable town for a day or so.

Ship me the Master.

I agree it's not the only way to obtain master.

When I'm made Master, I can activate other people's Master.

My role does extremely well with confirmed town status, and I'll get to activate two or more people I have strong town reads on before the scum are forced to kill me.