Mini 2230: Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night: Game Over

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Are there some specific posts you think don’t line up?

Give me Master.

It doesn't matter what your ability says or does. It doesn't matter what your upgrades are.

My master upgrade is insanely good by definition, and my role does well as confirmed unkillable town for a day or so.

Ship me the Master.

I agree it's not the only way to obtain master.

When I'm made Master, I can activate other people's Master.

My role does extremely well with confirmed town status, and I'll get to activate two or more people I have strong town reads on before the scum are forced to kill me.

[Annie Edison]

Are you saying he should have come out of the gate with it instead of sit on it?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Are you saying he should have come out of the gate with it instead of sit on it?

[!]

[Lukewarm]

I am very surprised to see my placement on the fishes read list. Like in my head, given our experiences, ffery and cabd (if town) were both going to snap town read me and now both of them have me in their scum pile. Hers is extra surprising because I felt like ffery and I were slowly finding each other early on, and I thought she was town reading me all the way up to the moment that the read list dropped. Like she just started trying to have a side spoiler conversation with me

I am unsure what that means for their alignment. I really need to do isos, which I have not had a chance at any point to do, because in the moment she felt town to me all the way up to this morning.


Something that did stand out to me though, was that her and spiffeh's characterization of my morning posts were the same.

Spoiler: My full post 1309

I am still having a hard time seeing them as town.

Even thought most seem to not see it, I think that genguin's exchange with me and dunn early on was scummy.

I also am not a fan of the "actually, jokes on you, I was not trying to get town read anyways." Which I don't even think makes all that much sense just because of their demon status.

I actually find that really strange, but Ffery seems to get it. Maybe I am missing something.

If they were actively worried about the alternate win condition, I feel like they should have been trying to get thread control of the shard mechanic, instead of just shooting for null reads. Heck, they could have aimed to be widely town read, and just accepted the shards for themselves, which would guarantee that no new player was turned into a demon. Instead, they hung back and then just yelled at other people for trying to make plans.

From what I have seen of Town!Cabd, it seems like you can BoP them, and with me sitting at their scummiest scum slot, then I know that they are failing that.

I think that medea + mantee have a lot of scum equity together. With Manatee trying to vaguely discredit the medea wagon, and that being what got her caught.

And now medea putting me as their #1 scum and then Manatee as thier #2 scum, despite that pairing making little sense, to me at least. But you know, fos your buddy, vote a townie and all. If that leads to a miselim on me, then congrats, but if manatee still goes through they can give off the appearance of passing a BoP

Spoiler: The narrow portion of that quote that spiffeh grabbed to try and present my morning posts as "just discredits"

And now medea putting me as their #1 scum and then Manatee as thier #2 scum, despite that pairing making little sense, to me at least. But you know, fos your buddy, vote a townie and all. If that leads to a miselim on me, then congrats, but if manatee still goes through they can give off the appearance of passing a BoP

Why can't they be scum reading both you and Manatee independently of each other?

It feels like you're discrediting their read on you before they've really explained it (which I do wish they prioritized, btw)?

Spoiler: Spiffeh and ffishes now

Lukewarm has given me no town vibes and his point against Medea about having both himself and Manatee, an unlikely scum team, as scum reads is lazy and felt like he was preemptively trying to discredit their upcoming explanation for their scum read on him which is why I'm currently voting him.

Lukewarm - ffery didn't care much for Luke's Monday morning catch-up. It felt discredit-y. Other players' concerns about luke/medea and luke/manatee are noted

Ffery has an entire iso's worth of posts to sort me by, and I am in her scum pile because of like one quarter of one post, and nothing else in my entire iso is comment worthy

I want to do full iso dives tonight for a proper full read list, but spiffeh's posts stood out to me in my catch up as a misrep, and then I saw the fishes say basically the exact same thing...

Also, of note. I dropped all of that because spiffeh asked me directly for my thoughts on Medea, then it feels like he is turning around and spinning it like I sat down that morning with the goal of discrediting medea

[Medea the Alien]

Are you saying he should have come out of the gate with it instead of sit on it?

[!]

I mean in a world where I was a solo slot, I probably would have just blurted stuff out because I can't actually stop myself from shouting over shinies in the player list.

But how do shards help me here? I'm already two-sharded.

[Medea the Alien]

I genuinely liked manatees turnaround into today, did you other hydrae not?

Ninja-
rhea do you need the takes broken up, or itemized or something?

Real quick as I've been following along but not sitting down long enough to post until now (and I'll be out again). Manatee showed up last night asking why we didn't have anything to say about her readslist. Less than two pages after I made an effortpost about how her readslist and her responses to the follow-up pushback intersected with a town vs. scum mindset. Her notes and trinkets post today left me cold. She still somehow likes our wagon except for Lukewarm but isn't really considering the merits of a scum read on us. Despite supposedly not liking how we're interacting with her. A lot of the rest of it is refuting arguments against her in a shade-casting manner. So this part of this hydra didn't, no.

Dragons, there are flashes I like, but there's a lot of what reads as noise to me. I almost like 1471 but I'm surprised you don't have more of an opinion. I would like to see what you come up with when you follow through on 1352. Like Cabd said, your placement here is my read far more than his right now, but I just don't see anything from you that makes me go 'oh yeah, clear town thought process' thus far. I'm skimming your ISO now, and the towniest posts from you are more 'good people' stuff than 'town player' stuff. Maybe it has to do with your plan on how to play as a hydra here, where strong opinions aren't really sifting out. I'm just not meshing here. Or maybe it's because your strongest opinion(s) do seem to revolve around us, and I have confirmation bias going there, so it really doesn't grab me as anything more than your petulant initial vote on us.

I'm not around much tonight (you'll mostly get Cabd) but if there's something in this game (preferably something where we can try to work together) you want to discuss later, LMK. Watching your discussion with Rhea play out for now.

--PA

[Snarky Fishes]

I am very surprised to see my placement on the fishes read list. Like in my head, given our experiences, ffery and cabd (if town) were both going to snap town read me and now both of them have me in their scum pile. Hers is extra surprising because I felt like ffery and I were slowly finding each other early on, and I thought she was town reading me all the way up to the moment that the read list dropped. Like she just started trying to have a side spoiler conversation with me

I am unsure what that means for their alignment. I really need to do isos, which I have not had a chance at any point to do, because in the moment she felt town to me all the way up to this morning.


Something that did stand out to me though, was that her and spiffeh's characterization of my morning posts were the same.

Spoiler: My full post 1309

I am still having a hard time seeing them as town.

Even thought most seem to not see it, I think that genguin's exchange with me and dunn early on was scummy.

I also am not a fan of the "actually, jokes on you, I was not trying to get town read anyways." Which I don't even think makes all that much sense just because of their demon status.

I actually find that really strange, but Ffery seems to get it. Maybe I am missing something.

If they were actively worried about the alternate win condition, I feel like they should have been trying to get thread control of the shard mechanic, instead of just shooting for null reads. Heck, they could have aimed to be widely town read, and just accepted the shards for themselves, which would guarantee that no new player was turned into a demon. Instead, they hung back and then just yelled at other people for trying to make plans.

From what I have seen of Town!Cabd, it seems like you can BoP them, and with me sitting at their scummiest scum slot, then I know that they are failing that.

I think that medea + mantee have a lot of scum equity together. With Manatee trying to vaguely discredit the medea wagon, and that being what got her caught.

And now medea putting me as their #1 scum and then Manatee as thier #2 scum, despite that pairing making little sense, to me at least. But you know, fos your buddy, vote a townie and all. If that leads to a miselim on me, then congrats, but if manatee still goes through they can give off the appearance of passing a BoP

Spoiler: The narrow portion of that quote that spiffeh grabbed to try and present my morning posts as "just discredits"

And now medea putting me as their #1 scum and then Manatee as thier #2 scum, despite that pairing making little sense, to me at least. But you know, fos your buddy, vote a townie and all. If that leads to a miselim on me, then congrats, but if manatee still goes through they can give off the appearance of passing a BoP

Why can't they be scum reading both you and Manatee independently of each other?

It feels like you're discrediting their read on you before they've really explained it (which I do wish they prioritized, btw)?

Spoiler: Spiffeh and ffishes now

Lukewarm has given me no town vibes and his point against Medea about having both himself and Manatee, an unlikely scum team, as scum reads is lazy and felt like he was preemptively trying to discredit their upcoming explanation for their scum read on him which is why I'm currently voting him.

Lukewarm - ffery didn't care much for Luke's Monday morning catch-up. It felt discredit-y. Other players' concerns about luke/medea and luke/manatee are noted

Ffery has an entire iso's worth of posts to sort me by, and I am in her scum pile because of like one quarter of one post, and nothing else in my entire iso is comment worthy

I want to do full iso dives tonight for a proper full read list, but spiffeh's posts stood out to me in my catch up as a misrep, and then I saw the fishes say basically the exact same thing...

Also, of note. I dropped all of that because spiffeh asked me directly for my thoughts on Medea, then it feels like he is turning around and spinning it like I sat down that morning with the goal of discrediting medea

It means that I'm not townreading you, and I'm not comfortable about it and I'm afraid I'm missing something. :/

And I am reaching out to you. If I am missing something, I want to figure that out.

I didn't call the spoiler "hood" for random reasons.

What do you feel I misrepped?

[Here There Be Dragons]

LLD and annie, do you think luke is town?

i feel like the people i would like to ask are either scum or living on another planet this game.

[Snarky Fishes]

And no, it was not just that one post.

I've been griping about kicking puppies for about 24 hours.

I hate that feeling.

[Annie Edison]

Are you saying he should have come out of the gate with it instead of sit on it?

[!]

I mean in a world where I was a solo slot, I probably would have just blurted stuff out because I can't actually stop myself from shouting over shinies in the player list.

But how do shards help me here? I'm already two-sharded.

I think she’s saying sitting on scum starting with just one demon more so than campaigning for shards. And making sure town knows to be careful around shard giving?

[Annie Edison]

@ceph Luke is still floating in the bottom half of my list and I think bulge wasn’t a big fan during his catchup, I’ll direct him to that post whenever he’s available

[Here There Be Dragons]

I am very surprised to see my placement on the fishes read list. Like in my head, given our experiences, ffery and cabd (if town) were both going to snap town read me and now both of them have me in their scum pile. Hers is extra surprising because I felt like ffery and I were slowly finding each other early on, and I thought she was town reading me all the way up to the moment that the read list dropped. Like she just started trying to have a side spoiler conversation with me

I am unsure what that means for their alignment. I really need to do isos, which I have not had a chance at any point to do, because in the moment she felt town to me all the way up to this morning.


Something that did stand out to me though, was that her and spiffeh's characterization of my morning posts were the same.

Spoiler: My full post 1309

I am still having a hard time seeing them as town.

Even thought most seem to not see it, I think that genguin's exchange with me and dunn early on was scummy.

I also am not a fan of the "actually, jokes on you, I was not trying to get town read anyways." Which I don't even think makes all that much sense just because of their demon status.

I actually find that really strange, but Ffery seems to get it. Maybe I am missing something.

If they were actively worried about the alternate win condition, I feel like they should have been trying to get thread control of the shard mechanic, instead of just shooting for null reads. Heck, they could have aimed to be widely town read, and just accepted the shards for themselves, which would guarantee that no new player was turned into a demon. Instead, they hung back and then just yelled at other people for trying to make plans.

From what I have seen of Town!Cabd, it seems like you can BoP them, and with me sitting at their scummiest scum slot, then I know that they are failing that.

I think that medea + mantee have a lot of scum equity together. With Manatee trying to vaguely discredit the medea wagon, and that being what got her caught.

And now medea putting me as their #1 scum and then Manatee as thier #2 scum, despite that pairing making little sense, to me at least. But you know, fos your buddy, vote a townie and all. If that leads to a miselim on me, then congrats, but if manatee still goes through they can give off the appearance of passing a BoP

Spoiler: The narrow portion of that quote that spiffeh grabbed to try and present my morning posts as "just discredits"

And now medea putting me as their #1 scum and then Manatee as thier #2 scum, despite that pairing making little sense, to me at least. But you know, fos your buddy, vote a townie and all. If that leads to a miselim on me, then congrats, but if manatee still goes through they can give off the appearance of passing a BoP

Why can't they be scum reading both you and Manatee independently of each other?

It feels like you're discrediting their read on you before they've really explained it (which I do wish they prioritized, btw)?

Spoiler: Spiffeh and ffishes now

Lukewarm has given me no town vibes and his point against Medea about having both himself and Manatee, an unlikely scum team, as scum reads is lazy and felt like he was preemptively trying to discredit their upcoming explanation for their scum read on him which is why I'm currently voting him.

Lukewarm - ffery didn't care much for Luke's Monday morning catch-up. It felt discredit-y. Other players' concerns about luke/medea and luke/manatee are noted

Ffery has an entire iso's worth of posts to sort me by, and I am in her scum pile because of like one quarter of one post, and nothing else in my entire iso is comment worthy

I want to do full iso dives tonight for a proper full read list, but spiffeh's posts stood out to me in my catch up as a misrep, and then I saw the fishes say basically the exact same thing...

Also, of note. I dropped all of that because spiffeh asked me directly for my thoughts on Medea, then it feels like he is turning around and spinning it like I sat down that morning with the goal of discrediting medea

It means that I'm not townreading you, and I'm not comfortable about it and I'm afraid I'm missing something. :/

And I am reaching out to you. If I am missing something, I want to figure that out.

I didn't call the spoiler "hood" for random reasons.

What do you feel I misrepped?

im wondering what stood out to you that was discredity. I feel like it must not be 1309 which to me was luke's best post in the game.

[Snarky Fishes]

sigh.

I want to take a break and clear my head.

I don't think it's going to help, but I feel at cross-purposes with too many people for it not to be a me-issue.

pedit but first I'll answer your post, ceph.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I've been griping about kicking puppies for about 24 hours.

pls no 2181 flashbacks

[Snarky Fishes]

im wondering what stood out to you that was discredity. I feel like it must not be 1309 which to me was luke's best post in the game.

It was not 1309.

It was this:

While penguin works on her big post, let me casually just drop our bracketed reads completely naked ITT to generate a bunch of pages worth of P-edits for her.

{Dunnstral, Lady Rhea, Sleez, Fferyllt}
{Bell, Annie Edison, Pooky}
{Save the Ceph, AA9, Titus, Spiff}
{ManateeLass}
{Luke}

The rolleyes reaction really bugged me.

Rereading for your question, that eww has colored my reaction to his posts on the next page. In isolation, it's that one post that set me off.

I've been griping about kicking puppies for about 24 hours.

pls no 2181 flashbacks

I'm always going to feel that way about scumreading newer players I like.

[Lukewarm]

It means that I'm not townreading you, and I'm not comfortable about it and I'm afraid I'm missing something. :/

And I am reaching out to you. If I am missing something, I want to figure that out.

I didn't call the spoiler "hood" for random reasons.

What do you feel I misrepped?

Well, I don't know what else I could possibly give you. I have a full sized iso, I've been here.

The point that felt like a misrep is you mirroring spiffeh's description of my morning posts as "discredit-y"

I made like 12 posts this morning when no one was on. They were:

-Question for Medea

-Response to Spiffeh

-Response to Medea's shard plan

-Response to Sleez / Bulge

-Question for Medea

-Response to the unwnd reveal

-Response to Sleez

-Response to Dunn (admitadly about the me+manatee scum reads)

Then Spiffeh directly asks me

Luke what's your read on Medea given your point above?

So I made 1309 in direct response to it. It goes over many of my misgivings about meadea, including more detail about the point spiffeh asked me about.

Spiffeh turns around and makes 1312, where he heavily narrows down my post, which interestingly is ONLY the part that directly aligns with the question as he asked it, and presented it like I was trying to discredit.

imo, it feels like spiffeh set out with that goal. He asked me a specific question, and even phrased it as "based on

this point

, what do you think about medea's alignment"

I gave a MUCH MORE detailed answer, going into lots of other reasons I was worried about medea.

Spiffeh then ignores all the other details, and looks at exactly the point that he asked for, to characterize it as just a discredit.


It feels like he was setting me up, and so to see you mirror his line was shocking.

[Lukewarm]

And like, if my goal was to set out to simply discredit medea, why did the that take someone else point blank asking me my thoughts.

That is why spiffeh's stance surrounding it, as the person who asked, specifically stood out to me

[Snarky Fishes]

It means that I'm not townreading you, and I'm not comfortable about it and I'm afraid I'm missing something. :/

And I am reaching out to you. If I am missing something, I want to figure that out.

I didn't call the spoiler "hood" for random reasons.

What do you feel I misrepped?

Well, I don't know what else I could possibly give you. I have a full sized iso, I've been here.

The point that felt like a misrep is you mirroring spiffeh's description of my morning posts as "discredit-y"

I made like 12 posts this morning when no one was on. They were:

-Question for Medea

-Response to Spiffeh

-Response to Medea's shard plan

-Response to Sleez / Bulge

-Question for Medea

-Response to the unwnd reveal

-Response to Sleez

-Response to Dunn (admitadly about the me+manatee scum reads)

Then Spiffeh directly asks me

Luke what's your read on Medea given your point above?

So I made 1309 in direct response to it. It goes over many of my misgivings about meadea, including more detail about the point spiffeh asked me about.

Spiffeh turns around and makes 1312, where he heavily narrows down my post, which interestingly is ONLY the part that directly aligns with the question as he asked it, and presented it like I was trying to discredit.

imo, it feels like spiffeh set out with that goal. He asked me a specific question, and even phrased it as "based on

this point

, what do you think about medea's alignment"

I gave a MUCH MORE detailed answer, going into lots of other reasons I was worried about medea.

Spiffeh then ignores all the other details, and looks at exactly the point that he asked for, to characterize it as just a discredit.


It feels like he was setting me up, and so to see you mirror his line was shocking.

your posts in context aren't hitting me as a shining castle of townieness on a hill. it's mixed.

but

I feel like your scum game in the newbie game I modded was pretty clean and crafted, which is not what I see here, which contributes to my concern about being wrong and wanting more interaction.

[Lukewarm]

I would like to draw your attention to my orininal post about the point that Spiffeh later called me attempting to discredit

This is curious, given I am apparently your strongest scum read.

In world of Town!Medea and Scum!Manatee, you think that the one and only person that she lists as THE PERSON tainting the wagon is exactly her partner, and suggests that we elim me first for the day. And then even goes out of her way to NOT get credit for any wagon on me by saying that she is blindly sheeping Sleez?

Does this look like I am setting out to discredit? I noticed an oddity, and started asking questions.

Now look at the following exchange, and tell me spiffeh was not setting me up

Spoiler:

Luke what's your read on Medea given your point above?

I am still having a hard time seeing them as town.

Even thought most seem to not see it, I think that genguin's exchange with me and dunn early on was scummy.

I also am not a fan of the "actually, jokes on you, I was not trying to get town read anyways." Which I don't even think makes all that much sense just because of their demon status.

I actually find that really strange, but Ffery seems to get it. Maybe I am missing something.

If they were actively worried about the alternate win condition, I feel like they should have been trying to get thread control of the shard mechanic, instead of just shooting for null reads. Heck, they could have aimed to be widely town read, and just accepted the shards for themselves, which would guarantee that no new player was turned into a demon. Instead, they hung back and then just yelled at other people for trying to make plans.

From what I have seen of Town!Cabd, it seems like you can BoP them, and with me sitting at their scummiest scum slot, then I know that they are failing that.

I think that medea + mantee have a lot of scum equity together. With Manatee trying to vaguely discredit the medea wagon, and that being what got her caught. And now medea putting me as their #1 scum and then Manatee as thier #2 scum, despite that pairing making little sense, to me at least. But you know, fos your buddy, vote a townie and all. If that leads to a miselim on me, then congrats, but if manatee still goes through they can give off the appearance of passing a BoP

And now medea putting me as their #1 scum and then Manatee as thier #2 scum, despite that pairing making little sense, to me at least. But you know, fos your buddy, vote a townie and all. If that leads to a miselim on me, then congrats, but if manatee still goes through they can give off the appearance of passing a BoP

Why can't they be scum reading both you and Manatee independently of each other?

It feels like you're discrediting their read on you before they've really explained it (which I do wish they prioritized, btw)?

There is the asking me directly what I thought that meant for medea's alignment, and then hunted for the moment I said that it might mean that they were scum.

Then the "Why can't they be scum reading both you and Manatee independently of each other?" seems extra misrep-y given that I was originally asking for them to clarify their read list AND I gave a bunch of other reasons why I was suspicious of medea. But he ignored all of that, and narrowed in like that was the only reason I had AND he literally just asked me what it meant for their alignment.

I have talked myself into it VOTE: spiffeh

[Snarky Fishes]

feeling this bad about the read is probs a sign I'm just wrong. hard reset time.with a side order of reread.

[Here There Be Dragons]

fwiw i get why you see setting up there but i dont think thats something scum actually do on purpose

[unwnd]

I agree with none of my russians this game.

[unwnd]

Actually, that's not entirely true

I would vote Ceph, as charming as he is

That's it

[Lukewarm]

There is the asking me directly what I thought that meant for medea's alignment, and then hunted for the moment I said that it might mean that they were scum.

Oh, and the fact that I never even said that they were scum because of it. I said that they were in my scum reads for all of the other reasons, and then said that I was an example of them having partner equity...

[notscience]

feeling this bad about the read is probs a sign I'm just wrong. hard reset time.with a side order of reread.

I might do one later too. I’m going to try and focus on how people are interacting with Rhea.