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[Bingle]

Mech analysis isn't AI, but it can be towny if it's useful, which I thought ta vera's one was

Does that or her push on I factor into your read at all?

Mech analysis should literally never result in a townread. Full stop.

I saw her interactions with you as both heavily instigated BY you and more of an attempt to undermine your townreads than anything else.

[Bingle]

Uh

Gaize

Im still here, i just fused with Flea!

Hello new person who is definitely not mom. I’d give you a summary and talk, but it’s 4 AM and I should probably get *some* sleep. Emperor/ta Vera/GCB probably most valuable Isis, or you could cheat with mastina’s catch-up.

[Green Cap Boys]

Green Cap Boys

The Emperor

how do you have these two names at the top of your readslist?

-D

[mastina]

Oh you have ingredients in your role PM?

Just poison. I was implying I might have more than one in case Schadd told me this setup had closed elements to obscure information, but it turns out the ingredients are publicly a red herring.

Okay Bingle's scumclaim remains a scumclaim then.

[mastina]

Im still here, i just fused with Flea!

(I know, I was making a joke needling you/Norwee for fun. )
(That said poewise and contentwise your slot is def possible scum.)

[mastina]

how do you have these two names at the top of your readslist?

Because my reads are weak and I'm desperate to have some semblance of townreads in a game where I'm struggling to get them and having townfeels (call it gut if you must) there is better than nothing.

To put it a different way; if these reads were on D3 or so then their strength would be laughably low, like just above null at best--but this isn't D3; this is the earlygame, borderline rvs, and the reads that strengthwise would on D3 be just above null at best, at this rvsesque stage of the game, just so happen to be the strongest townreads I've got which top the list.

I'm not happy with them being that weak, but it's better than nothing, is the best I can do right now, and given the stage of the game we're in, is "good enough"; it'd be passable for an end-of-D1 in worst come to worst, but not ideal past then, so ideally it gets strengthened and gets more honed/refined later in the day, because I'm not happy with them, but *shrug*, you do what you can do.

If you were asking more about reasons behind the reads though;

Strange response
VOTE: Titus

(For the record I may have an idea who The Emperor is and if right I lean town surprisingly.)

^Emperor is partially this, partially his exchanges so far in this game.

You is both from early gutpings of town from rvs content along with your exchanges with Norwee for instance. It's not something foolproof that cannot come from scum, I just don't think it does come from scum.

If you're looking for something more indepth than what amounts to gut, sorry to disappoint, but,

Am somewhat struggling to get reads tho. I don't know why.
Is always a temporary thing but is massively inconvenient.

My scumdar is solidly on the fritz for who the fuck knows why.

Given this + the relatively early stage of the game, I hate to disappoint but this is literally all I've got, I legit can't do better.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh you have ingredients in your role PM?

Just poison. I was implying I might have more than one in case Schadd told me this setup had closed elements to obscure information, but it turns out the ingredients are publicly a red herring.

It is the only ingredient you have correct?

[The Emperor]

What's town about them, exactly?

-R

Nuanced takes which I agree with

"Nuanced" is quickly becoming the top meaningless buzzword people say because they think it sounds clever. What he's doing is expressing disagreement, in his usual sort of rote pedantic way. They don't even really reach the realm of "takes" as much as dismissal of other takes. And while I don't even find that particularly bad in and of itself (I was poking at dwlee halfheartedly just to see what they'd say in response, it was not a read I'd put much stock in), it's also incredibly easy to do and hardly rises to the level of being a towntell.

Emperor what do you think about Datisi’s twin brother claiming they disagree on Datisi’s take on me?

Dunno, I'll ask

@Retti: Why do you disagree with Datisi?

Well, possibly because we are different people who interpret things that are said differently based on our own subjective experience with the game and way of thinking.

Oh, I'm sorry, did you want the non-philosophical answer? I just didn't think Norwee getting suspicious of TLDNE for denying him a townread was particularly scummy. I'd liked his early posting enough to think he was town regardless. I bought the tell, regardless of what limit says, because a number of people derped on the setup in the last MBOS and as scum I had to basically cover my eyes and pretend those towntells didn't exist.

If I gave a single hoot about optics I'd probably have butted in the go "Hey Datisi quit picking a fight with Norwee that's a really stupid idea", but the game is in this bizarre limbo where half the game barely exists and 3 people have literally not posted at all so I figured I'd let him do his thing and see what comes of it. In the end I came away from it still thinking Norwee is town but it spurred a little conversation so overall I think it wasn't a bad thing.

-R

Regarding -S: the takes are useful and shooting down other opinions that are AI, I don't think it's just being pedantic

e.g: you were reading Dwlee's 250 as being suspicious since you stated it was floaty behavior. I would disagree though, and agree with -S's assessment that there's far better ways to appear active or involved as scum than a relatively useless question, faking reads for example

Your disagreement with Datisi is fairly town-indicative if I'm to use the sacred book of hydra tells

[The Emperor]

It's not

unfakeable

but I do think scum hydras think less to have vocal disagreements and talk about private discussions like this, it's probably slightly town indicative. 164 was pretty good as well actually

Maybe that's enough to counteract my disagreement on the Norwegian case files

Who to vote.. who to vote...

[The Emperor]

Don't really know what to think of mastina

Am somewhat struggling to get reads tho. I don't know why.

This is unusual for her but I dunno if it's ai, tempted to she'd just fake the reads as scum, but that's way too easy and easily fakeable

[The Emperor]

VOTE: Bingle

Lack of general progressions since his ta vera vote a while back

The last four posts are incredibly weird and I would like to know more.

Any followup on this? What'd you make of the resulting Boy/Boys and then Emperors feud?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm extremely dissapointed in Bingle not having anything to say at all about the latest pages except for that avoiding stance of "would like to know more".

[NorwegianboyEE]

Bingle hasn't talked about it at all.

[Dwlee99]

VOTE: Bingle

[Bingle]

It is the only ingredient you have correct?

Aye.

[Bingle]

Lack of general progressions since his ta vera vote a while back

Do you mean this as a general thing or are you referring specifically to ta vera? Because... ta vera has done nothing worth responding to, so of course I haven't reevaluated there.

[Bingle]

I'm extremely disappointed in Bingle not having anything to say at all about the latest pages except for that avoiding stance of "would like to know more".

True, I have been pretty absent.

The vote from you on SSLith was v interesting to me as it was at its heart a vote for someone based on them trying to undermine a townread when said townread had already been undermined, and you didn't seem to have a problem with it the first time.

The post from SS was equally :eyebrows: because it just made no sense. Why would you have to consider the veracity of your own hypothetical townslip to the point where sheeping my view on it would be suspicious?

I'm not sure how I feel about either of these things in an alignment indicative way, and would like to see how other people see them.

[Titus]

The hydra needs votes.

[Bingle]

Either they show up and produce content or they get replaced, I'm not sure how votes effect that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Neither slot in a hydra posting does look pretty bad.

[Bingle]

Do you mean this as a general thing or are you referring specifically to ta vera? Because... ta vera has done nothing worth responding to, so of course I haven't reevaluated there.

Quick follow up here:

@mod: ta vera is due a prod.

[Bingle]

What'd you make of the resulting Boy/Boys and then Emperors feud?

I'm reading all of you as town independently, and I think the 'feud' is pretty silly.

[Fairy Circle]

The emperor is town p3 and the green caps are probably scum here.

Even if they weren't, im pretty sure im not letting datisi go for tooo long.

Also im supposed to be role-playing. Whoops

-momlinda

[Fairy Circle]

Ta vera is also probably town!

Mastina whats going on, why the low confidence in reads

[Green Cap Boys]

Even if they weren't, im pretty sure im not letting datisi go for tooo long.

someone's still traumatized?

-D