Mini 2230: Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night: Game Over

[Titus]

Madea did also vote me. I felt it was a fair vote though as nothing was false.

[Titus]

@Snarky/LLD, please hurt tag me.

[Annie Edison]

@Rhea- are you saying her characterization of you is wrong and intended to discredit you?

What does the quote about Manatee have to do with anything? Are you saying you’re right about Medea?

[Medea the Alien]

I didn't realize she had a finished game; Cabd said last night that this was the first playing game of hers (versus modding) he'd seen.

Official Vote Count

ArcAngel9

(5): Nero Cain, Dwlee99, cyrus62, Dunnstral, Almost50

Nero Cain

(1): humaneatingmonkey

cyrus62

(1): ArcAngel9

Not Voting

(1): Ythan

With 8 alive, it takes 5 to eliminate

Deadline

: (expired on 2021-07-24 22:24:00)


ArcAngel has been eliminated,

She was a Vanilla Townie

Please send night actions to both Sirius and me.

Um. Well, thank god for that, I read her ISO first and was like WTF this is reading like town AA9 she's outfoxed me!

--PA

[Snarky Fishes]

If we vote anyone for shard today, it will be a synced vote.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@Rhea-

are you saying her characterization of you is wrong and intended to discredit you?

What does the quote about Manatee have to do with anything?

Are you saying you’re right about Medea?

[✓]

[Medea the Alien]

And now I'm actively confused. Titus was Mafia, part of the winning faction in a game that just wrapped a week ago, and she's saying it was AA9 who was scum?

Please clarify. And maybe confirm your read here?

--PA

[Titus]

And now I'm actively confused. Titus was Mafia, part of the winning faction in a game that just wrapped a week ago, and she's saying it was AA9 who was scum?

Please clarify. And maybe confirm your read here?

--PA

I remembered she was scum. :/ Memory sucks.

[Titus]

LLD, why are you reaching out to me in particular? What do you feel about Madea's push on me given I've been a screwball?

[Annie Edison]

You’ll probably have an easier time if you give her options to chose from.

[Titus]

You’ll probably have an easier time if you give her options to chose from.

I am aware but it's hard to put that in a question format.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD, why are you reaching out to me in particular? What do you feel about Madea's push on me given I've been a screwball?

[Titus]

This is just PA right now. You can get a more blended post from us later when we're back in the same county again.

First, I apologize that I couldn't be around last night. I feel really badly about telling people (Dragons) I wanted to talk and then ditching instead.

More useful to the game though, slogging down the Dan Ryan is surprisingly good for mulling over Reads: Why I Have Them, so here's where I am for all of you waiting so raptly:

Town

Dunnstral: He's just town to me. Aside from the mechanics understanding missing, I haven't seen a post from him that doesn't feel like it's coming from a town mindset. No attempts to ingratiate himself with others, no jumping to post opinions that others want to see from him. Measured in a way that comes from a town mindset.

AA9: This is probably the opposite of my Dunnstral read while still ending up as town. Way back in the day I got to play a lot of games with AA9. My temperament wasn't such that I usually (ever?) ended up getting pulled into her spat-fight type posting as a co-jouster, but I witnessed a lot of her play. It's...pretty much textbook town!AA9. If she managed to go on a multi-year hiatus and come back to jump into her first playing game perfectly replicating her town style as scum, well then, hats off. I'm hoping she can come in and reset from her and notscience's scenery-chewing fest and generate content elsewhere. But hard town read for me.

Annie Edison: Town read. I don't like all their content this game, but I like their in-the-moment reactions. Dropping off us and then circling back later felt like genuinely reassessing town. Dropping the elimbait AA9 fight and the way they did it, town. I'm aiming to go back and reread some of their posting with a more firm town-alignment assumption for them and see what I get from it.

Snarky Fishes: Yes, Bell, you can ride with ffery for me again. I've only skimmed a bit of what got posted last night, but I'm seeing some game-solvy stuff I like from Bell specifically (even if I think my take on Pooky is different). And having also spent some time navel-gazing about my own hydra dynamic with Cabd, I think I get what ffery is looking for, not seeing, and freaking about. I like their reachout to Lukewarm, and I like their thought processes elsewhere too. Moving on, but can elaborate more later today if asked.

Leaning Town

Spiffeh: I'm not a Spiffeh reading machine like some other players here purport to be. I've liked him more and more as the day goes on. I see him looking to engage and being...flashy? It's a lean, and I need to fully catch up and see if/what he posted last night more. P-edit: saw his 'first ten pages' thing and kind of like some of what he's seeing in hindsight. Happy with him in this tier.

Rhea: I'll start with my impression of LLD as a player overall. I don't see her as someone who has conversations with people who aren't her elim targets with the goal of having her mind changed. She engages with those people to make them believe her point of view, as town or scum. To me it probably doesn't much matter if Rhea's the one playing; I'm seeing the same kind of approach here from her. Her reachouts of 'talk to me' are 'ask me questions so I can tell you what you should be thinking.' I think I wish I was seeing more of a freely-chosen target choice more often from her here. Maybe someone else can frame this better. In terms of her alignment here, I'm leaning town but don't have anything shiny to point to in support of that. Just a 'surprised Rhea makes the plays she does here as scum' feeling.

Sleez/unwnd: I liked the Sleez posting better. Sorry? I suspect a lot of my discomfort with his play since then is because he's very much focuses on the clique thing, and for me personally the idea of being in a clique is uncomfortable and not how I want to see myself. Something I have to address internally I suppose if I opt to play any more games going forward. I don't like the framing around interacting with us as 'I do/don't trust you' because barring your own role PM or mod-confirmed info, you never fully trust someone. It's a lot of bluster about something that I don't think is very relevant to working toward game-solving as town. Having said that, I liked the independent thought from Sleez earlier on, and I appreciate the food for thought of some of his reads here.

Averaging out to Null

Pooky: I think my take on Pooky is colored by often having read his recent games either knowing his alignment or seeing his first few days of posting from a more removed point. But I'd disagree with Bell in that regard, that usually I can see where town-Pooky is pushing people toward content or doing things he can sort rather than going off into the outfield to pick daisies like he does as scum. I think he's a bit like Cabd-scum in that this can change if he sees something shiny worth doing in the main game as scum, but then it tends to be more--insular?--like the LOLMasons in that FakeGod game. I'm not seeing anything here so far that makes me think town!Pooky. That might change in a couple game days with more data, but that's where I am now.

Here There Be Dragons: I'm still at the flashes thing. I'm moving y'all up to null because a) I haven't read your overnight content and b) in my commute today amidst my navel-gazing about how my own hydra with my husband is working/not working so far, I think I have some sympathy for the dynamic of taking two people who may be quite complementary IRL and making their games mesh for the thread's consumption. I'll try to have more here later today.

Lean Scum

I'll preface this category with 'this is very mushy and I don't like how I've interacted with two of the three of these players entirely, but I also don't like how they've posted, so shrugface?'

Lukewarm: Yes, I'm leaning scummy here, but I don't want to vote here today. I don't like a lot of what I've seen, and some of that may be old-school sensibilities coming out, but I don't like that he jumped into my line of questioning at Dunnstral. I thought it was rude and unproductive for my read on him. I triple-ISO'd it and while it did end up cementing a Dunnstral town read for me, if Dunnstral had responded in a way I read as scummy I wouldn't have trusted it as much because of the derail. I'm not seeing town play here, but I want to give space and see what's generated today, plus what Lukewarm might do with actual flip data. I wasn't impressed with his reaction to the Snarky Fishes reachout yesterday; it seemed half-hearted after all the talk of wanting to be townread by ffery. IIRC it worked for ffery to read him better, and part of the 'not voting here today' thing is that I am townreading ffery and am willing to give some weight to her opinions.

ManateeGal: I'm seeing a lot of whiplash here, from an initial scummy reaction to being suspected that reads like a lot of squawky scum to trying to react 'right' to what people are saying in the thread. I'm not as happy about this read because I feel like I've been sticking my own oar in her reactions, and this is where Cabd's style really doesn't mesh with mine. I would have rather stayed mum about my interpretation of her reaction and readslist to see if she'd get there on her own instead of (relatively quickly) pointing out what I saw as a non-town mindset in her play. I feel like I've tainted my read on her, but I have a hard time seeing where I'd ever townbin her after her early play here.

Titus: Nothing in Titus's ISO feels town to me. There's a disproportionate reliance on the mechanic that I don't like on Day One, and while I make allowance for the weekend, I don't feel like there's any attempt to get into the game from a solving perspective. I don't buy the 'OMG game has so many pages' thing partially because she was quite critical of the idea of page limits in my Warehouse 13 game. To me, that implies being fine with Day One rambling on from a game perspective. She's also avoiding really mixing it up with anyone, and I don't feel like it's coming from a town place. More of a 'keep head down, shove the problem down the line, and see where I can jump later' thing that comes from a scum playbook.

VOTE: Titus

No, this isn't a fun vote, but it's where I think scum is living, and I'm more interested in cutting down scum numbers (especially since I suspect that if she's scum she isn't demonized yet) than having brilliant insights.

--PA

Let's try this.

@LLD, what do you think are the scummiest parts of this post? Bonus points if you can use a video to supplement.

[Annie Edison]

LLD is there a specific reason you reached out to Titus? Is it the claim?

Is it something you see that you think she would also catch?

[Titus]

Random OOG note: I'm throwing an in person get together at Great Escape Games on the 17th through the 20th of September. It's in Sacramento. Check out General Discussion for more information.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

UNVOTE: Titus


Thanks Bellery you got my back.


@Titus

bzzzzzzz think again about what I'd know if I was actually scum here. :3

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD is there a specific reason you reached out to Titus? Is it the claim?

Is it something you see that you think she would also catch?

[X][!][X]

[Annie Edison]

Something she missed?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Something she missed?

[✓....?]

[Annie Edison]

Idk I’m trying to translate for you because she’s not for whatever reason

[Annie Edison]

LLD and annie, do you think luke is town?

i feel like the people i would like to ask are either scum or living on another planet this game.

bulge here

luke is my strongest scumread. I doubt notty feels as strongly but we haven't really talked yet today, I've been trying to power thru reading today with as few preventable distractions (read: non-irl stuff) as possible.

when pressed about the fact he hasn't been solving or playing to his town meta, luke reacts with 1) confusion and/or 2) examples from other games. his play this game has been [uncharacteristically*] defensive. his claims of playing this game with a drive to solve amount to a whole lot of Lukewarm vs The World. and I'm pretty sure you are the only(?) slot up to bat for him.

* but meta is not as core to this read as I might be making it out to be

[ArcAngel9]

You two literally bickered identically to this as town-town in said game.

Oh gosh. *hides away

Not science was so so mean to me that drove me crazy in that game. I promise that I am not the same person anymore.

[Annie Edison]

while i'm on this page and this topic...

I am very surprised to see my placement on the fishes read list. Like in my head, given our experiences, ffery and cabd (if town) were both going to snap town read me and now both of them have me in their scum pile. Hers is extra surprising because I felt like ffery and I were slowly finding each other early on, and I thought she was town reading me all the way up to the moment that the read list dropped. Like she just started trying to have a side spoiler conversation with me

I am unsure what that means for their alignment. I really need to do isos, which I have not had a chance at any point to do, because in the moment she felt town to me all the way up to this morning.


Something that did stand out to me though, was that her and spiffeh's characterization of my morning posts were the same.

Spoiler: My full post 1309

I am still having a hard time seeing them as town.

Even thought most seem to not see it, I think that genguin's exchange with me and dunn early on was scummy.

I also am not a fan of the "actually, jokes on you, I was not trying to get town read anyways." Which I don't even think makes all that much sense just because of their demon status.

I actually find that really strange, but Ffery seems to get it. Maybe I am missing something.

If they were actively worried about the alternate win condition, I feel like they should have been trying to get thread control of the shard mechanic, instead of just shooting for null reads. Heck, they could have aimed to be widely town read, and just accepted the shards for themselves, which would guarantee that no new player was turned into a demon. Instead, they hung back and then just yelled at other people for trying to make plans.

From what I have seen of Town!Cabd, it seems like you can BoP them, and with me sitting at their scummiest scum slot, then I know that they are failing that.

I think that medea + mantee have a lot of scum equity together. With Manatee trying to vaguely discredit the medea wagon, and that being what got her caught.

And now medea putting me as their #1 scum and then Manatee as thier #2 scum, despite that pairing making little sense, to me at least. But you know, fos your buddy, vote a townie and all. If that leads to a miselim on me, then congrats, but if manatee still goes through they can give off the appearance of passing a BoP

Spoiler: The narrow portion of that quote that spiffeh grabbed to try and present my morning posts as "just discredits"

And now medea putting me as their #1 scum and then Manatee as thier #2 scum, despite that pairing making little sense, to me at least. But you know, fos your buddy, vote a townie and all. If that leads to a miselim on me, then congrats, but if manatee still goes through they can give off the appearance of passing a BoP

Why can't they be scum reading both you and Manatee independently of each other?

It feels like you're discrediting their read on you before they've really explained it (which I do wish they prioritized, btw)?

Spoiler: Spiffeh and ffishes now

Lukewarm has given me no town vibes and his point against Medea about having both himself and Manatee, an unlikely scum team, as scum reads is lazy and felt like he was preemptively trying to discredit their upcoming explanation for their scum read on him which is why I'm currently voting him.

Lukewarm - ffery didn't care much for Luke's Monday morning catch-up. It felt discredit-y. Other players' concerns about luke/medea and luke/manatee are noted

Ffery has an entire iso's worth of posts to sort me by, and I am in her scum pile because of like one quarter of one post, and nothing else in my entire iso is comment worthy

I want to do full iso dives tonight for a proper full read list, but spiffeh's posts stood out to me in my catch up as a misrep, and then I saw the fishes say basically the exact same thing...

Also, of note. I dropped all of that because spiffeh asked me directly for my thoughts on Medea, then it feels like he is turning around and spinning it like I sat down that morning with the goal of discrediting medea

"surprised" is not how you should feel this many pages into the game, mainly citing previous experiences instead of in-game content.

this post and the subsequent shift onto spiffeh ("I have talked myself into it" ) are a perfect illustration of Luke vs The World I mentioned above

[Annie Edison]

And the "I currently have too few thoughts on them to even put them in null" - aa9, lld, spiffeh, titus

how have you been approaching lld's posts?

still-relevant and unanswered question for lukey

[Annie Edison]

back to lurk-reading, almost caught up, currently top of 69