Mini 2230: Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night: Game Over

[unwnd]

It was more aimed towards Cabd with you on the side, really

But I didn't want to entirely speak on Cabd only, I respect your wishes to be Medea

I also want to read you that way as well

[Snarky Fishes]

*ahem*
I crushed the emotional response I had. It’s not wrong to challenge us just because I think we’re both very anxious about Medea whether to kill them or not. Whether all that they’ve done and not done adds up to scum. If there aren’t more probable scum out there. That we should just be killing instead. We’re just weighing a lot. I gotta go to my second meeting now. Bbl.
-bell.

[unwnd]

This looks like you're ignoring the last 10 or so hours worth of data to continue beating your drum.

I read a good chunk of what I missed before I posted that

You think that low of me?

I don't know what to think of you.

I'm tired of trying to work with you in good faith and getting slapped with a trout for it.

What do you want out of me specifically? Seems like you both townread me but are agitated by my behavior

I don't really think I'm trying to showboat, get on a pedastal, whatever. I really wish you would do without that just because sometimes I make big strides. It's not made out of trying to be that way either, sometimes games just happen that way with me.

[Snarky Fishes]

We’re also weighing the votes on them and their motivations and that also gives me pause. Personally.

The players I might trust or weigh their opinions on them more heavily are the players that have reasons to kill medea and have very good scum games themselves.

While the players that I consider obvious town are largely side stepping medea. Rn.

-bell.

[Snarky Fishes]

This looks like you're ignoring the last 10 or so hours worth of data to continue beating your drum.

I read a good chunk of what I missed before I posted that

You think that low of me?

I don't know what to think of you.

I'm tired of trying to work with you in good faith and getting slapped with a trout for it.

What do you want out of me specifically? Seems like you both townread me but are agitated by my behavior[/nothing]

I don't really think I'm trying to showboat, get on a pedastal, whatever. I really wish you would do without that just because sometimes I make big strides. It's not made out of trying to be that way either, sometimes games just happen that way with me.

your playstyle, or how you're chosing to play ~this~ game has come at a cost.

I'm stepping back from interacting so much with you, and this will probably be my final protest.

[Snarky Fishes]

messed that up.

trying again, and adding a bit.

This looks like you're ignoring the last 10 or so hours worth of data to continue beating your drum.

I read a good chunk of what I missed before I posted that

You think that low of me?

I don't know what to think of you.

I'm tired of trying to work with you in good faith and getting slapped with a trout for it.

What do you want out of me specifically?

Nothing.

Seems like you both townread me but are agitated by my behavior

this is accurate.

I don't really think I'm trying to showboat, get on a pedastal, whatever. I really wish you would do without that just because sometimes I make big strides. It's not made out of trying to be that way either, sometimes games just happen that way with me.

your playstyle, or how you're chosing to play ~this~ game has come at a cost.

I'm stepping back from interacting so much with you, and this will probably be my final protest.

[unwnd]

We’re also weighing the votes on them and their motivations and that also gives me pause. Personally.

The players I might trust or weigh their opinions on them more heavily are the players that have reasons to kill medea and have very good scum games themselves.

While the players that I consider obvious town are largely side stepping medea. Rn.

-bell.

Extrapolate this point a bit harder for me

[Spiffeh]

Spoiler: Pages 11-20 Thoughts

- I liked PA's 270 tonally but 287 feels like an overreaction to me. A simple "that was a PA post not a Cabd post" would have sufficed. And since I know this becomes more of a thing later on with Cabd jumping in about the Penguin erasure, they made it messier than it had to be. I don't doubt Penguin's feelings about being put on the back burner but they were maybe highlighted more than they should have been to increase Medea's thread presence during a time when they were vulnerable.

- Nothing else major but I like Lukewarm better than I remember liking him, I get more where he's coming from with the Medea suspicion. Still not seeing where Sleez/unwnd was coming from there (although not sure if that's worth mentioning anymore since I'm hard townreading unwnd currently)

[Spiffeh]

I didn't really need to spoiler that did I

[Snarky Fishes]

Sure. LLD died to cabd recently and they have expressed a desire to kill them and they have expressed the idea of killing players for non-alignment reasons. Since rhea is playing this game i’m not entirely sure how to weigh their analysis. Their argument appears to be that medea started out with a fall back plan in mind. They said as much initially that they were giving us meat on their role instead of other information for us to generate a town read on them(?)

Pooky is hard to read for me. I find his read accuracy as town pretty good. But he also keeps going back and forth on medea and their reasoning is somewhat unclear. Which isn’t that rare for them. But it makes it difficult for me to sheep.

-Bell.

Okay, now my meeting has actually started so I’m out. Ta ta for now.

[Lukewarm]

Half of all conversations between Snarky Fishes / Medea / Unwnd make my eyes glaze over and make the game less enjoyable. For me at least.

[Snarky Fishes]

Personally, if I was impulsive I would have tunneled on medea already for not having a snap read. Correct meta read or not. PA or not. But that’s like saying if I I had half of who I am missing I would do x instead of y. The ability to terminate or consider, weigh and then suspend a decision is part of me too.

-bell

[Snarky Fishes]

Half of all conversations between Snarky Fishes / Medea / Unwnd make my eyes glaze over and make the game less enjoyable. For me at least.

you're in luck.

[Lukewarm]

Half of all conversations between Snarky Fishes / Medea / Unwnd make my eyes glaze over and make the game less enjoyable. For me at least.

you're in luck.

?

[unwnd]

I'm not petty enough to keep dragging the point on

Pretty sure I've made it, D1 is out of my hands

[Spiffeh]

I'm proud of my boy Spiffs for finally cracking the top 14.

At least I can say I accomplished something this game

[Lukewarm]

If you are not here currently for the song and dance 20 questions version, I will spell it out for when ever you come back.

Did you figure it out before or after you wrote 2013?

If you figured it out AFTER you wrote 2013, can you explain this part of your plan to me in a way that makes sense if you think everyone needs 1 shard?

If we shard me

and then I get enough shards to turn demonic

, I am removed from the elimination pool.

However,

by not sharding me after I get sharded today

, they are suggesting they want me in the elimination pool which indirectly suggests I am town.

The only move for them is to argue that I am not an FN to try and eliminate me before I get enough shards to become a demon. It forces them to tunnel me.

If they do decide to demon me

and then roleblock me, then that's resources that aren't spent on our investigates which means they get shots off. Plus, they'd risk being tracked and or watched as I'd be an ideal target for such investigations if they occurred.

If you figured it out BEFORE 2013, why did you fake figuring it out later?

How many shards do you need to get the FN/become demonic again?

The default number. I have none now. I need to check the ruleset.

How many shards do you need to get the FN/become demonic again?

The default number. I have none now. I need to check the ruleset.

The sample mafia role PM has two shards to be demonic. Supposing town need the same amount of shards, two. Verifying with the mod.

Wanted to put this on the current page for Titus

[Titus]

@Lukewarm, I'm not sure when I figured it out. I was confused and probably thinking both simultaneously until Annie quoted the mod for me. There's no way I can know the exact post when I was first told. The mod got back to me right as Annie posted.

[Titus]

@Lukewarm, What do you think of the reactions to my gambit?

@LLD, Are Madea, Pooky, and Lukewarm good votes?

[Lukewarm]

HEAL: LLD, Snarky, Unwnd, Dunn, Luke, Annie, AA9
HURT: Pooky, Spffeh

Vote:Dragons
Vote: Manatee
Vote: Medea

Titus, I think that this is LLD's most recent reads list.

I am just now noticing that you were left out lol

[Lukewarm]

@Lukewarm, I'm not sure when I figured it out. I was confused and probably thinking both simultaneously until Annie quoted the mod for me. There's no way I can know the exact post when I was first told. The mod got back to me right as Annie posted.

This is a very, very unsatisfactory answer. And 2013 still makes no sense to me if you thought that you only needed 1 shard.......

I also feel like this is a strange tone you are taking when having the conversation with me, when you most recent posts have me as scum. Like you have kind of been championing it.

I am trying to figure you out. Do you think that this is scum!luke latching on to something?

I don't know. I feel like I expected either a very well put together response, OR omgus. and I got neither. Am confused

[Lady Lambdadelta]

HEAL: LLD, Snarky, Unwnd, Dunn, Luke, Annie, AA9
HURT: Pooky, Spffeh

Vote:Dragons
Vote: Manatee
Vote: Medea

Titus, I think that this is LLD's most recent reads list.

I am just now noticing that you were left out lol

[!]

HEAL: LLD, Snarky, Unwnd, Dunn, Luke, Annie, Titus, AA9
HURT: Pooky, Spffeh

Vote:Dragons
Vote: Manatee
Vote: Medea

[Spiffeh]

I dislike 1962 and 1966 from Pooky.

And I kinda hate to say that because it's some of his only serious posting and I don't want to discourage that from him. But the point about Titus being more assertive with wanting the shard is not a good one. Especially since Titus explicitly stated she'd want the shard later on and not immediately, so why is it an issue that she hasn't brought it up again today?

I think back to WH13 where he had Cakez dead to rights and absolutely eviscerated him with a huge wallpost because people weren't really considering it. Comparing that effort to here might be a little unfair because it's still early and he probably wasn't nearly as confident in the Titus scum read as he was in the Cakez read in WH13, but breaking the troll-persona to make an underwhelming point about Titus and build on her growing wagon feels off to me.

I'm very interested in Ceph and Cabd's takes specifically on Pooky at this moment as fellow Tenet scumteam alumni.

And Rhea! What do you think of Pooky?
Town?
Scum?
Null?

I also asked some questions about your scum read (?) on me if you can look back and answer those.

[Lukewarm]

@Lukewarm, What do you think of the reactions to my gambit?

I don't fucking know.

I understand why most people defaulted to scum wouldn't claim friendly neighbor, that was my first thought too. But I don't understand why no one else seemed interested in the discrepancies you showed.

I am also not sure how your gambit was supposed to catch scum, but I also know that not understanding you is just a Titus thing.

I felt like pooky's vote on you was weird in 1962, with a stark change in tone and like the way that he was approaching the game.

So, all in all, the last couple pages are confusing

[Lukewarm]

@Lukewarm, What do you think of the reactions to my gambit?

I don't fucking know.

I understand why most people defaulted to scum wouldn't claim friendly neighbor, that was my first thought too. But I don't understand why no one else seemed interested in the discrepancies you showed.

I am also not sure how your gambit was supposed to catch scum, but I also know that not understanding you is just a Titus thing.

I felt like pooky's vote on you was weird in 1962, with a stark change in tone and like the way that he was approaching the game.

So, all in all, the last couple pages are confusing

This post is very fence sitty...

I would say that both you and pooky are people that have kind of been sitting out side of where I have been really looking at this game, and that last couple pages felt like a giant reminder that the two of you were even here.

I need to put more brain power towards both of you.