Mini 2230: Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night: Game Over

[borkjerfkin]

i pride myself and think of myself as a man of pagetops, as there’s a drive into deep left field by Castellanos and that’ll be a home run.

and so that'll make it a 4-0 ballgame

i don't know if i'm gonna be putting on this headset again

Votecount 1.12

[3] Spiffeh (ArcAngel9, Here There Be Dragons, Lukewarm)
[2] PookyTheMagicalBear (Titus, unwnd)
[1] ArcAngel9 (Dunnstral)
[1] Medea the Alien (ManateeGal)

[6] Not Voting (Annie Edison, Spiffeh, Medea the Alien, Snarky fishes, PookyTheMagicalBear, Lady Lambdadelta)

With 13 alive, it is 7 to eliminate.

Spoiler: Shard Vote

[2] Dunnstral (unwnd, Annie Edison)
[2] Titus (Titus, PookyTheMagicalBear)
[1] Spiffeh (Lady Lambdadelta)

[8] Not Voting (ArcAngel9, Here There Be Dragons, Lukewarm, ManateeGal, Medea the Alien, Snarky fishes, Spiffeh, Dunnstral)

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2021-08-17 11:00:00)

[Snarky Fishes]

i pride myself and think of myself as a man of pagetops, as there’s a drive into deep left field by Castellanos and that’ll be a home run.

and so that'll make it a 4-0 ballgame

i don't know if i'm gonna be putting on this headset again

homage

[Spiffeh]

I did purchase the crockpot Cabd suggested to me on Amazon we're basically lifelong friends now

But Cabd are you around to chat? PA gave a pretty comprehensive reads list and I was wondering if you could do the same or at least go into detail about your strongest reads?

[unwnd]

Literally every slot in this game is somebody I'd consider at least a mafia friend. I'm town reading some of them, sure, but guess what. RNJESUS doesn't give a flying fuck about friendships, and the odds of three or four of the same players constantly being town together in a string of games isn't that unlikely. NO matter who we end up eliminating today, it'll be a friend.

Yeah that's kinda what I've been saying? I can't really see the divergence yet from this D1

[Snarky Fishes]

I did purchase the crockpot Cabd suggested to me on Amazon we're basically lifelong friends now

But Cabd are you around to chat? PA gave a pretty comprehensive reads list and I was wondering if you could do the same or at least go into detail about your strongest reads?

I'm poaching salmon this very moment.

[Medea the Alien]

I am!

She's at ceramics studio making very fancy pottery that I will ooh and aah about. And probably might kinda sorta ish phonepost to watch my behavior and how bad it is.

Her partings words an hour and a half ago were actually to the effect of "That's town Spiffeh in the thread, isn't it? Your burden to figure out, later"

[Lukewarm]

I did purchase the crockpot Cabd suggested to me on Amazon we're basically lifelong friends now

But Cabd are you around to chat? PA gave a pretty comprehensive reads list and I was wondering if you could do the same or at least go into detail about your strongest reads?

I cooked a mongolian beef recipie just like 3 days ago that Penguin and Cabd sent to me, and we are both hard scum reading each other. I'd kill a a friend

[unwnd]

Cabd do you still want to kill Manatee? And if so, why are you letting the thread not go your way.

[Spiffeh]

Ok cool well I know PA's shared on her thoughts on Lukewarm but I'm wondering if you have anything more to add?

The way he was your lone scum read on that colorful tier list awhile ago coupled with you promising a maelstrom of content around that time made me think you had some good tea to spill on him but I haven't seen anything from you about him yet. Is that me overestimating your commitment to that read? Can you explain why you were scum reading him?

[Spiffeh]

^ @Cabd

[Here There Be Dragons]

Hey

Lukewarm

STD are you still scum reading me and if so can you knock it off?

yeah

nah

~std

[Medea the Alien]

Cabd do you still want to kill Manatee? And if so, why are you letting the thread not go your way.

No.

I'm intentionally giving up control of the thread.

You've surely seen this before from me, no? When I feel that I don't have a strong enough read early to shove it down throats, I don't. I can literally cite several games since my 2020 return in this vein.

I do not have a read strong enough to be a xenoblade cakez, or a cephgame manatee, etc. Not every game is gonna have a standout "gotcha" moment and if you're waiting for one to magically materialize you'll die of old age.


You're correct that I have a gambit-heavy playstyle and often hold my reads extremely close to my chest. That said, I think i went into this in a newbie game last year, but there's different "types" of games. This game is going to be a bridge-builder, not a barn-burner.

[Medea the Alien]

No.

To clarify, this is more of a "not that strongly" than an outright "no, I don't want to kill"

[Spiffeh]

Hey

Lukewarm

STD are you still scum reading me and if so can you knock it off?

yeah

nah

~std

I'm sad for you

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we can get drunk on Friday and solve this game.

[Lukewarm]

In other news, spiffeh has officially left my "I want to kill list" and has been replaced by titus. Congrats to you both.

Would kill: Medea, Manatee, Titus

[Lukewarm]

In other news, spiffeh has officially left my "I want to kill list" and has been replaced by titus. Congrats to you both.

Would kill: Medea, Manatee, Titus

That means I should probably move my vote.

VOTE: Medea

[unwnd]

Cabd do you still want to kill Manatee? And if so, why are you letting the thread not go your way.

No.

I'm intentionally giving up control of the thread.

You've surely seen this before from me, no? When I feel that I don't have a strong enough read early to shove it down throats, I don't. I can literally cite several games since my 2020 return in this vein.

I do not have a read strong enough to be a xenoblade cakez, or a cephgame manatee, etc. Not every game is gonna have a standout "gotcha" moment and if you're waiting for one to magically materialize you'll die of old age.


You're correct that I have a gambit-heavy playstyle and often hold my reads extremely close to my chest. That said, I think i went into this in a newbie game last year, but there's different "types" of games. This game is going to be a bridge-builder, not a barn-burner.

Even if you're not the one at the helm

Is it a read you still have? Or has it changed

[unwnd]

Lukewarm your voting patterns are undeniably scummy but everything inbetween is like fine

Hate this shit

[Spiffeh]

In other news, spiffeh has officially left my "I want to kill list" and has been replaced by titus. Congrats to you both.

Would kill: Medea, Manatee, Titus

May I ask how you've come to the conclusion that you don't want to kill me?

I like hearing nice things said about me

[Lukewarm]

In other news, spiffeh has officially left my "I want to kill list" and has been replaced by titus. Congrats to you both.

Would kill: Medea, Manatee, Titus

May I ask how you've come to the conclusion that you don't want to kill me?

I like hearing nice things said about me

I decided I wanted to kill Titus more

<3

[unwnd]

If you want to kill Titus

Then why not vote Titus

Vote for what you believe in

Democracy

[Snarky Fishes]

Cabd do you still want to kill Manatee? And if so, why are you letting the thread not go your way.

No.

I'm intentionally giving up control of the thread.

You've surely seen this before from me, no? When I feel that I don't have a strong enough read early to shove it down throats, I don't. I can literally cite several games since my 2020 return in this vein.

I do not have a read strong enough to be a xenoblade cakez, or a cephgame manatee, etc. Not every game is gonna have a standout "gotcha" moment and if you're waiting for one to magically materialize you'll die of old age.


You're correct that I have a gambit-heavy playstyle and often hold my reads extremely close to my chest. That said, I think i went into this in a newbie game last year, but there's different "types" of games. This game is going to be a bridge-builder, not a barn-burner.

you're not excused from giving reads.

[Medea the Alien]

Penguin's reads, for convenience.

Spoiler:

This is just PA right now. You can get a more blended post from us later when we're back in the same county again.

First, I apologize that I couldn't be around last night. I feel really badly about telling people (Dragons) I wanted to talk and then ditching instead.

More useful to the game though, slogging down the Dan Ryan is surprisingly good for mulling over Reads: Why I Have Them, so here's where I am for all of you waiting so raptly:

Town

Dunnstral: He's just town to me. Aside from the mechanics understanding missing, I haven't seen a post from him that doesn't feel like it's coming from a town mindset. No attempts to ingratiate himself with others, no jumping to post opinions that others want to see from him. Measured in a way that comes from a town mindset.

AA9: This is probably the opposite of my Dunnstral read while still ending up as town. Way back in the day I got to play a lot of games with AA9. My temperament wasn't such that I usually (ever?) ended up getting pulled into her spat-fight type posting as a co-jouster, but I witnessed a lot of her play. It's...pretty much textbook town!AA9. If she managed to go on a multi-year hiatus and come back to jump into her first playing game perfectly replicating her town style as scum, well then, hats off. I'm hoping she can come in and reset from her and notscience's scenery-chewing fest and generate content elsewhere. But hard town read for me.

Annie Edison: Town read. I don't like all their content this game, but I like their in-the-moment reactions. Dropping off us and then circling back later felt like genuinely reassessing town. Dropping the elimbait AA9 fight and the way they did it, town. I'm aiming to go back and reread some of their posting with a more firm town-alignment assumption for them and see what I get from it.

Snarky Fishes: Yes, Bell, you can ride with ffery for me again. I've only skimmed a bit of what got posted last night, but I'm seeing some game-solvy stuff I like from Bell specifically (even if I think my take on Pooky is different). And having also spent some time navel-gazing about my own hydra dynamic with Cabd, I think I get what ffery is looking for, not seeing, and freaking about. I like their reachout to Lukewarm, and I like their thought processes elsewhere too. Moving on, but can elaborate more later today if asked.

Leaning Town

Spiffeh: I'm not a Spiffeh reading machine like some other players here purport to be. I've liked him more and more as the day goes on. I see him looking to engage and being...flashy? It's a lean, and I need to fully catch up and see if/what he posted last night more. P-edit: saw his 'first ten pages' thing and kind of like some of what he's seeing in hindsight. Happy with him in this tier.

Rhea: I'll start with my impression of LLD as a player overall. I don't see her as someone who has conversations with people who aren't her elim targets with the goal of having her mind changed. She engages with those people to make them believe her point of view, as town or scum. To me it probably doesn't much matter if Rhea's the one playing; I'm seeing the same kind of approach here from her. Her reachouts of 'talk to me' are 'ask me questions so I can tell you what you should be thinking.' I think I wish I was seeing more of a freely-chosen target choice more often from her here. Maybe someone else can frame this better. In terms of her alignment here, I'm leaning town but don't have anything shiny to point to in support of that. Just a 'surprised Rhea makes the plays she does here as scum' feeling.

Sleez/unwnd: I liked the Sleez posting better. Sorry? I suspect a lot of my discomfort with his play since then is because he's very much focuses on the clique thing, and for me personally the idea of being in a clique is uncomfortable and not how I want to see myself. Something I have to address internally I suppose if I opt to play any more games going forward. I don't like the framing around interacting with us as 'I do/don't trust you' because barring your own role PM or mod-confirmed info, you never fully trust someone. It's a lot of bluster about something that I don't think is very relevant to working toward game-solving as town. Having said that, I liked the independent thought from Sleez earlier on, and I appreciate the food for thought of some of his reads here.

Averaging out to Null

Pooky: I think my take on Pooky is colored by often having read his recent games either knowing his alignment or seeing his first few days of posting from a more removed point. But I'd disagree with Bell in that regard, that usually I can see where town-Pooky is pushing people toward content or doing things he can sort rather than going off into the outfield to pick daisies like he does as scum. I think he's a bit like Cabd-scum in that this can change if he sees something shiny worth doing in the main game as scum, but then it tends to be more--insular?--like the LOLMasons in that FakeGod game. I'm not seeing anything here so far that makes me think town!Pooky. That might change in a couple game days with more data, but that's where I am now.

Here There Be Dragons: I'm still at the flashes thing. I'm moving y'all up to null because a) I haven't read your overnight content and b) in my commute today amidst my navel-gazing about how my own hydra with my husband is working/not working so far, I think I have some sympathy for the dynamic of taking two people who may be quite complementary IRL and making their games mesh for the thread's consumption. I'll try to have more here later today.

Lean Scum

I'll preface this category with 'this is very mushy and I don't like how I've interacted with two of the three of these players entirely, but I also don't like how they've posted, so shrugface?'

Lukewarm: Yes, I'm leaning scummy here, but I don't want to vote here today. I don't like a lot of what I've seen, and some of that may be old-school sensibilities coming out, but I don't like that he jumped into my line of questioning at Dunnstral. I thought it was rude and unproductive for my read on him. I triple-ISO'd it and while it did end up cementing a Dunnstral town read for me, if Dunnstral had responded in a way I read as scummy I wouldn't have trusted it as much because of the derail. I'm not seeing town play here, but I want to give space and see what's generated today, plus what Lukewarm might do with actual flip data. I wasn't impressed with his reaction to the Snarky Fishes reachout yesterday; it seemed half-hearted after all the talk of wanting to be townread by ffery. IIRC it worked for ffery to read him better, and part of the 'not voting here today' thing is that I am townreading ffery and am willing to give some weight to her opinions.

ManateeGal: I'm seeing a lot of whiplash here, from an initial scummy reaction to being suspected that reads like a lot of squawky scum to trying to react 'right' to what people are saying in the thread. I'm not as happy about this read because I feel like I've been sticking my own oar in her reactions, and this is where Cabd's style really doesn't mesh with mine. I would have rather stayed mum about my interpretation of her reaction and readslist to see if she'd get there on her own instead of (relatively quickly) pointing out what I saw as a non-town mindset in her play. I feel like I've tainted my read on her, but I have a hard time seeing where I'd ever townbin her after her early play here.

Titus: Nothing in Titus's ISO feels town to me. There's a disproportionate reliance on the mechanic that I don't like on Day One, and while I make allowance for the weekend, I don't feel like there's any attempt to get into the game from a solving perspective. I don't buy the 'OMG game has so many pages' thing partially because she was quite critical of the idea of page limits in my Warehouse 13 game. To me, that implies being fine with Day One rambling on from a game perspective. She's also avoiding really mixing it up with anyone, and I don't feel like it's coming from a town place. More of a 'keep head down, shove the problem down the line, and see where I can jump later' thing that comes from a scum playbook.

VOTE: Titus

No, this isn't a fun vote, but it's where I think scum is living, and I'm more interested in cutting down scum numbers (especially since I suspect that if she's scum she isn't demonized yet) than having brilliant insights.

--PA

My current personal reads sit around something like (placement within same tier is all equal):

{fferybell, ArcAngel9}
{Titus*, Annie} *I have not done more than skim about the Luke case made about the claim and need to go re-read for content.
{Dunn, Spiff, Uwnd, Pooks}
{Rhea, Dragons}
{Luke*, Manatee} *See above note about Luke's recent content

But to be clear, it's not that those bottom four names are my hero solve, it's that I have good reasons to town read everyone above them. I am LITERALLY not scumhunting very hard this game, because this is a bridge builder game. I want to find town, bloc with town, and win the game that way. Shared cognitive load, because I'm not sure I can handle the pressure of "yet another hero game" and getting all the fucking flak for it too. Don't sit there like you didn't wax poetic about how much easy games suck. You got your illicit drug-dueled wish on the monkey's paw.

[Medea the Alien]

Cabd do you still want to kill Manatee? And if so, why are you letting the thread not go your way.

No.

I'm intentionally giving up control of the thread.

You've surely seen this before from me, no? When I feel that I don't have a strong enough read early to shove it down throats, I don't. I can literally cite several games since my 2020 return in this vein.

I do not have a read strong enough to be a xenoblade cakez, or a cephgame manatee, etc. Not every game is gonna have a standout "gotcha" moment and if you're waiting for one to magically materialize you'll die of old age.


You're correct that I have a gambit-heavy playstyle and often hold my reads extremely close to my chest. That said, I think i went into this in a newbie game last year, but there's different "types" of games. This game is going to be a bridge-builder, not a barn-burner.

you're not excused from giving reads.

Talk about timing...