mini normal 2226; who won

[MathBlade]

Koba, want to help me kill Chaos?

What’s the Umlaut case in your own words?

[MathBlade]

gameing?

Random?

[Gamma Emerald]

Lukewarm, what are your thoughts on Umlaut? Is he scummy but less so than me, neutral, town?

Pretty sure he already specified his position regarding Umlaut

[Gamma Emerald]

luke, how may i bribe you for an umlaut vote?

I feel like chaos is SUPER scummy, and it feels like admitting defeat just rolling over and letting a second couter wagons go through while I'm over here championing the chaos wagon both days. But like, it is just not happening even though no one is out here town casing him and he certainly has not suddenly started towning it up

[Titus]

Need today off all games. Mental health.

[ChaosOmega]

Gamma, that quote is not his position regarding Umlaut, it is regarding me. You could also let him answer.

[Gamma Emerald]

Eh I guess not
But I still am not a fan of you asking when it’s clear he’s not really in a mood to compromise

[MathBlade]

I actually liked Chaos’s posting there.

It’s not a matter of whether someone is in the mood to compromise it’s about building communication.
What we don’t want is silos that scum can take advantage of and manipulate.

The more people don’t try to see both sides of where people come from and go “my way I want my elimination” the more likely I am to vote the opposite argument for town health. My preference is Umlaut today but if town health says Chaos I will do Chaos first.

[Gamma Emerald]

My inclination is kinda to try and allow people to reset if they’re wrong
If Chaos is town I don’t see him ever playing in a way that will get Luke to realize that, so it would probably be better to allow him to refocus

[MathBlade]

My inclination is kinda to try and allow people to reset if they’re wrong
If Chaos is town I don’t see him ever playing in a way that will get Luke to realize that, so it would probably be better to allow him to refocus

Him to refocus => which him?

[Gamma Emerald]

Luke

[Lukewarm]

Lukewarm, what are your thoughts on Umlaut? Is he scummy but less so than me, neutral, town?

Early day 1 I leaned town on Umlaut, but then he has been very absent since then. And that has eroded my read on him a bit, but also I have not seen anything from him that stood out as scummy.

Which comparing that to you, you have both been absent and scummy

[Lukewarm]

My inclination is kinda to try and allow people to reset if they’re wrong
If Chaos is town I don’t see him ever playing in a way that will get Luke to realize that, so it would probably be better to allow him to refocus

I mean, yes I don't feel like compromising.

But also, the entire case surrounding Umlaut (as far as I have seen) is that he has been absent/lurking.

Umlaut has 40 posts. Chaos has 12.

So Umalut lurking does not feel like a persuasive argument that he is scummier then Chaos.

[MathBlade]

Luke

Okay take a known tunneler like me.
Replace in Luke.

How does elimming Umlaut help a tunneler refocus?

[MathBlade]

Like I don’t see your argument here Gamma.

If anything that’s an argument for elimming Chaos and this forces Luke to either celebrate with joy he got scum or refocus.

[Gamma Emerald]

I would expect most people to try to re-sort slots they had previously tucked away if one of their confident SRs was wrong
Aristeia didn’t obviously but rn I want to say she’s the exception not the rule

[Datisi]

raw post count is a horrible way to judge "how much" someone is actually posting. besides, i've seen scum!umlaut and town!umlaut under pressure. town!umlaut tends to *try* put content out to change people's minds. he's completely shut down here.

@gamma, how sure are you luke is town here (so much so you want to let him refocus) as opposed to scum pushing a townie?

[Gamma Emerald]

Like I don’t see your argument here Gamma.

If anything that’s an argument for elimming Chaos and this forces Luke to either celebrate with joy he got scum or refocus.

Okay no you read my post wrong
I was playing Devil’s Advocate to you, so I was saying I think Chaos would be a better lim because it would let Luke refocus if Chaos flipped town

@Datisi mostly sure, I’d say like 80%

[Lukewarm]

I would expect most people to try to re-sort slots they had previously tucked away if one of their confident SRs was wrong
Aristeia didn’t obviously but rn I want to say she’s the exception not the rule

My stance for like 75% of the day was Chaos>Meg.

Yes I thought that meg was scummy too, but I compromised away from my top preference Day 1. Nothing about Meg flipping town makes me think that Chaos is any less likely scum.

If you want me to reset, town case Chaos or scum case Umlaut.

Give me something to make me reconsider, because when I just went about re-read Chaos's iso, I got the same feeling all over again

[ChaosOmega]

It feels like Gamma and Luke are both trying to pull momentum away from Umlaut here.

[Lukewarm]

I compromised away from my top preference Day 1.

There were lots of factors that went into that decision outside of just compromising. Maybe poor word choice. But my point it is the same

[Gamma Emerald]

There’s not much of a case I can make either way because I also think Chaos has been scummy, not to the point that I’m sure he’d flip scum, but enough that I’m not in the mood to oppose his lim unless there was a really good reason, and Umlaut can’t really be cases effectively because of how inactive he’s been outside the meta case that’s already been put forward. I guess the best I can do is talk about my own experience with Umlaut!scum

[MathBlade]

It feels like Gamma and Luke are both trying to pull momentum away from Umlaut here.

Explain why this has to be an either or situation.

Far as I am concerned my vote would be about game health and you’re both scummy AF to me.

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually yeah I’ll do that
I feel like Umlaut lurking/being low effort isn’t a direct scumtell because I think he was a bit low effort at one point in Your Nightmare Redux, but in that game it still felt like he was trying
Meanwhile here and in G&R V (the game I mentioned earlier when discussing my Aristeia read D1 with Datisi) Umlaut’s been quite low impact and when he did post it was mediocre at best

[Gamma Emerald]

(FYI Your Nightmare Redux was a town!Umlaut game)