Mini 2230: Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night: Game Over

[Lukewarm]

to borrow some of the terminology of the group

I would eat my hat if titus flipped town.

I am down to take the LLD trade on Titus being scum

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[?]

The LLD-Deal, as far as I know it means that I am sure enough to line up my own elim the next day if I am wrong

I didn't ACTUALLY mean the LLD-deal where one murders you the next day if your read is wrong. I mean more "this is the sort of thing where it's LLD-levels of sure of self" but I see where you go to where you are now from that.

That said, the LLD deal does generally make the assumption that if the guesses is wrong they'll be around the next day.

[X + X != ✓]

I have been looking at this, but I cannot piece together what you are trying to tell me. I am sorry :/

Notty and Ceph, you both seem pretty good at this, can you help us communicate here?

[Lukewarm]

I basically offered my vote because you put the effort in to wanting to kill someone. Usually when a case is made it's common to just follow that lead because it's a big enough staple in the game to have something to track back to. Either you've got Titus pinned or scum can't ignore the gaping hole. Either one forces them to make more movement.

Yet..I don't really feel like that happened. I assume you believe it's because she's scum and people are trying to protect her, but is Titus enough of a net loss to stick their neck out for?

I don't think that the scum team is out protecting her. I think rhea is the only on who has expressed a town read on her since my case.

My question is, even if you don't buy my case, where are the scum votes joining what (I'm going to be a bit egotistical here) I think is the loudest and best case put out into the thread.

I put my whole case out there, and ffery joined my wagon, and you joined my wagon. And then silence.

I think that both you and ffery are town. So. Where are the scum voters? If anything, I think that this was an EASY wagon to slide onto and probably would not even get much flack for it on a Titus town flip. But they didn't.

My theory is that Titus is just scum. The scum team does not want to defend her, but they want to wait and see if the thread will change direction, so her partners are in the swaths of people who tried to vaguely pretend the case was not there

Intriguing thought

So you think Rhea is just wrong to townread her but not necessarily defending?

That is my gut reaction. I would not say it with certainty.

But, I am concerned about the lobby moving on with half the lobby having not weighed in on it

[borkjerfkin]

i'll pop a vc when i get home but i've been indisposed for the past few hours and need to get out of here before storms hit

[Annie Edison]

I think it’s 2 wrongs don’t make a right? I got lost in e context a bit.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I think it’s 2 wrongs don’t make a right? I got lost in e context a bit.

[✓]

[Lukewarm]

I think it’s 2 wrongs don’t make a right? I got lost in e context a bit.

[✓]

1) thanks notty for the assist

2) that does not change my level of confidence, which is the primary thing that I am trying to get across.

[Snarky Fishes]

Let's get Titus.

-Bell

[Annie Edison]

Bell you never told me if you did your homework or not

It’s going to be points off for this

[Snarky Fishes]

I never did my homework.
Too much actual work to do.

-Bell

[Snarky Fishes]

You're just jealous that I'm officially more townie than you.

-Bell.

[Snarky Fishes]

even with me dragging Bell down!

[Snarky Fishes]

I leaned on FF for the Ark read. I'm still not sure I like it, it reminds of Gyphx being obvious scum and being told that there was no way they were scum because

Was there other homework?

-Bell

[Medea the Alien]

The one thing I want to address in the content/meat of the Rhea case on us is that I'd secondary wincon it up.

The demon-overload win condition, as a mafia demon, would best be served by me to die early and "lock in" the demon flip. Self meta is trash but THAT would have brought out gambitcabd who would have his team investigative guilty him day two to lock that shit in AND set my team up to go long. So, not that I expect anyone will follow this logic steps, but in that case, you'd be looking for heavy bussers. It's the "inventive to bus" thing penguin mentioned a few times.

[Snarky Fishes]

That is one of the worst self-meta defenses I've ever heard.

It must be true.

-Bell

[Here There Be Dragons]

luke i'll try to carve out some time tonight to talk about titus with my beau and hydra partner but i think we're pretty convinced on medea so unless that's definitely not happening i don't think we're moving our vote.

~std

[Medea the Alien]

Anyway. Even without seeing that post, I was a lot less guarded with you last night. And that's kinda the way I want to progress, and I'll hold the snark if you will.

Spoiler: Less Guarded

I'm basically completely fucking lost, town reading Luke has done terrible things to my other reads, I'm grounding my wife form the game for at least a few days because she had a breakdown last night and I can't bear to see her get sucked into this meatgrinder.

I feel like we're gonna end up being the consensus elim here and that we'll flip and that 9 (well, 8) of you are going to have to pick up the pieces. And that if I was wrong about Luke, I could be wrong about nearly fucking anybody. Literally only you and notsci hydra are our rocks and if either or both of you are scum well fucking played you can have your tenet revenge. This entire game started off on the wrong foot and this feels like the game where I tunneled town pooky-alt until I got mislim'd for the GG.

I feel like terrible things are happening and I'm adrift, unable to stop them from happening or positively influence them. I imagine this is how unwnd felt in tenet before he replaced out, but I'm too stubborn and braindead to let myself do that.

So instead I'm here, taking stupid ass potshots where I feel I can make valuable data for those who will outlive me to sort through in hindsight.

[borkjerfkin]

Votecount 1.13

[4] Medea the Alien (ManateeGal, Here There Be Dragons, Lady Lambdadelta, unwnd)
[2] Titus (Lukewarm, Snarky fishes)
[1] ArcAngel9 (Dunnstral)
[1] Lukewarm (Titus)
[1] ManateeGal (ArcAngel9)

[4] Not Voting (Annie Edison, Spiffeh, Medea the Alien, PookyTheMagicalBear)

With 13 alive, it is 7 to eliminate.

Spoiler: Shard Vote

[2] Annie Edison (Annie Edison, Snarky fishes)
[2] Titus (Titus, PookyTheMagicalBear)
[1] Dunnstral (unwnd)
[1] Spiffeh (Lady Lambdadelta)

[7] Not Voting (ArcAngel9, Here There Be Dragons, Lukewarm, ManateeGal, Medea the Alien, Spiffeh, Dunnstral)

Let me know if you see any problems.

Deadline is in (expired on 2021-08-17 11:00:00)

[Snarky Fishes]

Anyway. Even without seeing that post, I was a lot less guarded with you last night. And that's kinda the way I want to progress, and I'll hold the snark if you will.

Spoiler: Less Guarded

I'm basically completely fucking lost, town reading Luke has done terrible things to my other reads, I'm grounding my wife form the game for at least a few days because she had a breakdown last night and I can't bear to see her get sucked into this meatgrinder.

I feel like we're gonna end up being the consensus elim here and that we'll flip and that 9 (well, 8) of you are going to have to pick up the pieces. And that if I was wrong about Luke, I could be wrong about nearly fucking anybody. Literally only you and notsci hydra are our rocks and if either or both of you are scum well fucking played you can have your tenet revenge. This entire game started off on the wrong foot and this feels like the game where I tunneled town pooky-alt until I got mislim'd for the GG.

I feel like terrible things are happening and I'm adrift, unable to stop them from happening or positively influence them. I imagine this is how unwnd felt in tenet before he replaced out, but I'm too stubborn and braindead to let myself do that.

So instead I'm here, taking stupid ass potshots where I feel I can make valuable data for those who will outlive me to sort through in hindsight.

Spoiler:

How is your Luke read affecting your other reads? ATM seeing him as town hasn't really impacted my other reads. read changes/strength changes to the extent they're happening aren't based on how I read him with one exception (below). I think I've been less town on Titus than you have though.

unwnd's stances around manatee and Luke have me a little spooked, having come around to town-Luke. But that's about unwnd's stances,

[Here There Be Dragons]

i'd like to withdraw my opinion about the usefulness of this day. it's suddenly become very useful.

[Here There Be Dragons]

People that have indicated that it was a good case, but never followed through with a vote include: you (medea) and the dragons

sry. im just very busy today and i feel like it deserves my full attention.

[Snarky Fishes]

Also...

Spoiler:

I think even in this player list you're the player most likely to break the setup such that bork would have to modify something as weighty as an alternate wincon on the fly.

Who do you think could also do that in the amount of time it took?

There. that thought has materialized.

[Here There Be Dragons]

snip

finally something from you that makes sense

[Here There Be Dragons]

I think it’s 2 wrongs don’t make a right? I got lost in e context a bit.

[✓]

heh, tell your sister that.

[Here There Be Dragons]

The one thing I want to address in the content/meat of the Rhea case on us is that I'd secondary wincon it up.

The demon-overload win condition, as a mafia demon, would best be served by me to die early and "lock in" the demon flip. Self meta is trash but THAT would have brought out gambitcabd who would have his team investigative guilty him day two to lock that shit in AND set my team up to go long. So, not that I expect anyone will follow this logic steps, but in that case, you'd be looking for heavy bussers. It's the "inventive to bus" thing penguin mentioned a few times.

i feel like that lines up great with what you have in fact done!

[Medea the Alien]

Anyway. Even without seeing that post, I was a lot less guarded with you last night. And that's kinda the way I want to progress, and I'll hold the snark if you will.

Spoiler: Less Guarded

I'm basically completely fucking lost, town reading Luke has done terrible things to my other reads, I'm grounding my wife form the game for at least a few days because she had a breakdown last night and I can't bear to see her get sucked into this meatgrinder.

I feel like we're gonna end up being the consensus elim here and that we'll flip and that 9 (well, 8) of you are going to have to pick up the pieces. And that if I was wrong about Luke, I could be wrong about nearly fucking anybody. Literally only you and notsci hydra are our rocks and if either or both of you are scum well fucking played you can have your tenet revenge. This entire game started off on the wrong foot and this feels like the game where I tunneled town pooky-alt until I got mislim'd for the GG.

I feel like terrible things are happening and I'm adrift, unable to stop them from happening or positively influence them. I imagine this is how unwnd felt in tenet before he replaced out, but I'm too stubborn and braindead to let myself do that.

So instead I'm here, taking stupid ass potshots where I feel I can make valuable data for those who will outlive me to sort through in hindsight.

Spoiler:

How is your Luke read affecting your other reads? ATM seeing him as town hasn't really impacted my other reads. read changes/strength changes to the extent they're happening aren't based on how I read him with one exception (below). I think I've been less town on Titus than you have though.

unwnd's stances around manatee and Luke have me a little spooked, having come around to town-Luke. But that's about unwnd's stances,

Spoiler: More

Luke being town means I'm out of room in the town bin. This isn't some secret "lol just a SK and 12 townies" game so there HAVE to be three scum, but damned if I can have any strong feelings on who it is. You may hate that I make the comparison, but I feel beat down like you and I were in Illict. Remember at one point when we discussed the possibility that we'd be early-elim'd and how much it would suck, but more importantly, how much it made us distrust those voting us? I've got 4 votes on me. They literally can't all be scum.

Maybe I'm giving somebody a pass that I shouldn't be. The "getting a pass and not body of work" list of my assorted reads is occupied by {Dunn, Unwnd, Rhea, Pooks} but like, I don't know what the fuck to do about the Rhea read any more. She apparently has seen my scum game directly, not that I ever recall playing with her specifically whatsoever, and thinks that this is it. I have no idea how to weigh that.

My townread on unwnd was due to pre-reveal contents, paired with "grumpy old man yells at the whale" credit. Do I like, drop that? I don't know. He seems to be wanting to "nail the big one" but then his actual votes are as a follower not a leader. There's a catharsis post-rant sitting in our drafts that will likely never leave it where penguin goes the fuck off about his behavior.

Pooky was trolled/bantered into giving game contents but once again, I'm not sure that his body of work is all that town outright. But I keep seeing flashes that make me nod along and go like "Yeah, that's probably town pooks"

Dunn is a more "traditional" read, whatever that means to you. We both liked his contents and in general, his tendency to be the more reserves one with great insights has been present once or twice this game.